Raw rating lowest since July 2012

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ It doesn't matter according to CyNick. As that's not currently the situation WWE is in, they're doing great. Of course, they're doing great by default and not because the product is actually good, consistent, compelling television. If WWE had any real competition, they'd be screwed if they were continually putting out the crap they have been. Of course, WWE is only one great competitor's show away from finding themselves in a scenario where they'll have to really fight to compete, and not necessarily a wrestling competitor's show either.

Why is it a guarantee that people will watch WWE? I watch WWE, but its not because Mark Henry shows up to my house and threatens to break my neck if I dont watch. Its funny watching you guys chase your tails about this issue. More people watch WWE every week, than just about any other form of entertainment. More people watch WWE than NBA on a regular basis, more than MLB, more than NCAA, NHL, not to mention most of the random shows on cable. But somehow those shows are successful and WWE isnt, because for some reason WWE fans only watch because they have to. Makes no sense.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Why is it a guarantee that people will watch WWE? I watch WWE, but its not because Mark Henry shows up to my house and threatens to break my neck if I dont watch. Its funny watching you guys chase your tails about this issue. More people watch WWE every week, than just about any other form of entertainment. More people watch WWE than NBA on a regular basis, more than MLB, more than NCAA, NHL, not to mention most of the random shows on cable. But somehow those shows are successful and WWE isnt, because for some reason WWE fans only watch because they have to. Makes no sense.

Because there's no competition for them on Monday nights. This is evidenced by the fact that they get beat by a show on VH1.

Who/what are they competing with exactly during those three hours that has any significant mainstream buzz/appeal?

In addition to college football and the NFL, I can think of numerous other shows that I hear people talk about more often and that have more mainstream appeal and buzz. Walking Dead, Better Call Saul, Gotham, American Horror Story, Fargo, Louie, Grey's Anatomy, How To Get Away With Murder, American Crime.

Granted only some of those are on in direct competition with Raw or SD, but none of them are regularly on for the full length of Raw or SD or have new episodes every week.

Some of these I've never even seen and have no desire to watch but I've heard great things. I've never had anyone in the last 10+ years tell me I missed a great episode of Raw or SD. A segment maybe, but not an episode. I've also never had anyone in the last 10+ years tell me or anyone else I need to start watching Raw or SD and that I or others were missing out. I work with and regularly hang out with tons of current and/or former WWE/pro wrestling fans too.

The point is, despite what you and the WWE would like to be true, all the shows I've listed are likely consistently better written, more compelling, interesting and definitely have more of a mainstream buzz/popularity than Raw or SD.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ Because there's no competition for them on Monday nights. This is evidenced by the fact that they get beat by a show on VH1. Who/what are they competing with exactly during those three hours that has any significant mainstream buzz/appeal? In addition to college football and the NFL, I can think of numerous other shows that I hear people talk about more often and that have more mainstream appeal and buzz. Walking Dead, Better Call Saul, Gotham, American Horror Story, Fargo, Louie, Grey's Anatomy, How To Get Away With Murder, American Crime. Granted only some of those are on in direct competition with Raw or SD, but none of them are regularly on for the full length of Raw or SD or have new episodes every week. Some of these I've never even seen and have no desire to watch but I've heard great things. I've never had anyone in the last 10+ years tell me I missed a great episode of Raw or SD. A segment maybe, but not an episode. I've also never had anyone in the last 10+ years tell me or anyone else I need to start watching Raw or SD and that I or others were missing out. I work with and regularly hang out with tons of current and/or former WWE/pro wrestling fans too. The point is, despite what you and the WWE would like to be true, all the shows I've listed are likely consistently better written, more compelling, interesting and definitely have more of a mainstream buzz/popularity than Raw or SD.

A lot to deal with in that post.

First, RAW can only fairly be compared to other shows on cable on Monday. Walking Dead is on Sunday, I also believe some of the shows on your "buzz" list are on network. I don't want to even get into why that's a rediculous comparison.

Further to that, you're talking about mostly one hour shows that produce MAYBE 20 episodes per year. I guarantee if RAW only had to write 20 hours of content every 365 days it would be far more compelling.

You mentioned nobody mentions episodes of RAW or SD. Even when I was coming up during the Attitude Era, I never heard ANYONE ever say RAW was compelling and can't miss. At BEST the odd person would say "hey did you see that guy stone cold driving a beer truck, thst was jokes, not that I watch that shit". I've been a fan of this product for north of 30 years, it's always had more of an underground following than being on par with something like American Idol that everyone is taking about at school or work. So i feel like you're holding the current product to a standard that has never been achieved.

The proof to me that is still compelling is that nothing or check that, very few shows they compete with can beat them. That tells me they are among the most compelling shows on TV on that night. That's a success.

[#1-norm-fan]

Originally Posted by The CyNick First, RAW can only fairly be compared to other shows on cable on Monday. Walking Dead is on Sunday

lol

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Even when I was coming up during the Attitude Era, I never heard ANYONE ever say RAW was compelling and can't miss. At BEST the odd person would say "hey did you see that guy stone cold driving a beer truck, thst was jokes, not that I watch that shit". I've been a fan of this product for north of 30 years, it's always had more of an underground following than being on par with something like American Idol that everyone is taking about at school or work. So i feel like you're holding the current product to a standard that has never been achieved.

Then you're as big of a fucking moron as we all think you are.

If you actually think that folks weren't talking about Raw and SD being can't miss television and that WWE didn't have more mainstream appeal, buzz and exposure during the Attitude era days, then you're a moron, because you either weren't paying attention, have a horrible memory or are being intentionally dense.

Was it all great? No of course not. No show is perfect. The fact is though, WWE had substantially more much mainstream appeal and buzz because of the quality of the writing/booking/product back then. The shows of today that I listed have more mainstream buzz and appeal than Raw or SD because their quality is better.

The fact that WWE has to write 5 hours of television a week is a cop out for laziness and ineptitude by the folks in charge. The fact is the poor quality wouldn't (and shouldn't) be tolerated in another competitive company or with a CEO who wasn't so arrogant and/or out of touch.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ Then you're as big of a fucking moron as we all think you are. If you actually think that folks weren't talking about Raw and SD being can't miss television and that WWE didn't have more mainstream appeal, buzz and exposure during the Attitude era days, then you're a moron, because you either weren't paying attention, have a horrible memory or are being intentionally dense. Was it all great? No of course not. No show is perfect. The fact is though, WWE had substantially more much mainstream appeal and buzz because of the quality of the writing/booking/product back then. The shows of today that I listed have more mainstream buzz and appeal than Raw or SD because their quality is better. The fact that WWE has to write 5 hours of television a week is a cop out for laziness and ineptitude by the folks in charge. The fact is the poor quality wouldn't (and shouldn't) be tolerated in another competitive company or with a CEO who wasn't so arrogant and/or out of touch.

Maybe in your hometown WWE and WCW were all the rage at schools and on the street. Where I grew up, very few people even mentioned it. I knew 2 or 3 guys who were big fans in high school, and that was it. 90210 was trendy and people talked about it. Sports was always big and talked about. But not sports entertainment. Dont get all pissy because you had a different experience.

LOL I'm guessing you have never done anything creative in your life. So I'm not sure you are the go to expert on judging how easy or difficult it is to write 5 hours of television every week.

Quality in the arts is subjective. The only things that matters for a TV show is A) are people watching - Yes big time for WWE B) are the right people watching - Yes #1 in key demo and C) can the network sell ad space on your show - Yes Yes Yes!

We get it, you dont like the show. You like the Murderer show or whatever. Cool man. Lots of people still enjoy RAW every week. Smackdown too!

[The CyNick]

Smackdown this week was #1 18-49.

3rd in viewership to two US presidential debate focused shows. Both skewed with massive numbers for people 50+

Was looking at some other numbers. NBA Gane of the night did almost a 1/3 of the viewers of SD. So I guess the NBA is producing a terrible product. No sign of Family Guy re-runs.

[#1-norm-fan]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Smackdown this week was #1 18-49. 3rd in viewership to two US presidential debate focused shows. Both skewed with massive numbers for people 50+ Was looking at some other numbers. NBA Gane of the night did almost a 1/3 of the viewers of SD. So I guess the NBA is producing a terrible product. No sign of Family Guy re-runs.

No sign at all huh? Are you reading the ratings from the official WWE apologist website? Because if you look at the ACTUAL ratings...

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...gs-feb-4-2016/

lol Excited to watch you awkwardly avoid this now.

[#1-norm-fan]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Smackdown this week was #1 18-49.

“Family Guy” and “American Dad” reruns grabbed the top spots in this week’s Thursday cable ratings with 1.0 and 0.9 ratings in adults 18-49.

Just gonna quote that from now on. Family Guy got the bigger share. It was #1. You can claim you were narrowing it down all you want. You've done it before. I'll trust this site over CyNick when it comes to which show was tops in the demographic for Thursday night.