Raw rating lowest since July 2012

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think so at all. Caring about ratings is a good way to web interests between professional wrestling, how it's presented, television, marketing and societal trends. The business side of professional wrestling might not be something everyone is interested in, but some surely are.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Noid I don't think so at all. Caring about ratings is a good way to web interests between professional wrestling, how it's presented, television, marketing and societal trends. The business side of professional wrestling might not be something everyone is interested in, but some surely are.

Really only I appear to be. That's why I make the informed points. Everyone else parrots a narrative they heard from other places who feed off selling "the sky is falling stories".

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Everyone else parrots a narrative they heard from other places who feed off selling "the sky is falling stories".

There you go again doing your zero reading comprehension, moron, troll thing.

Who the hell here has said the sky is falling?

I can't speak for everyone here, but I don't think anyone has said the sky is falling in terms of WWE's finances. All we're saying is that the quality of creative has and is still falling, which in turn could lead to a downturn in WWE's finances long term and in some cases may already have. No one is saying WWE is going under though.

[drave]

Presented chronologically in this very thread. Smeat with the first valid point of discussion (not being sarcastic, etc.)

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball Not surprised. Even with the dirtsheets teasing Vince and the WWE were in panic mode, RAW felt the same as its been for weeks in terms of lack of meaningful stuff. Too many potential great things have been squandered (ex. Divas Revolution, Ceasro), too many feuds are just dragging on (ex. Rusev-Zig, Wyatts-Shield Bros, Comic Book feud), and too much focus on the same old stuff every week (ex. constant rematches, Authority promos, Rollins promos, Cena promos). A rumor floating on Neogaf's wrestling thread for a bit was about the WWE holding off on doing a big "reboot" until after Mania since all they care about right now is legit breaking Mania's attendance record and older stars as the key to it.

Originally Posted by The CyNick Always funny to me when people blame creative for everything. They give two guys a chance to carry the ball, and the viewing audience rejects it. This is why Cena continues to have the ball and deserves to. That said, I think you have to expect some drop off at this time of year. Its like the time before Mania storylines start to heat up, and football is back. Its a tough time for ratings. And yet, I bet RAW was still one of the most watched things on cable on Monday.

CyNick bringing up a point no one argued. Slik quoted the ratings drop, but we all know Slik and his serious business ONLY journalism skills pertaining to the wrasslin world. And here we are in the middle of the road to Mania and shit is still the same, except HHH is champ

Originally Posted by Noid The drop-off for football is usually in the 300,000 mark. That's not enough to account for record lows. I think a stale product, a stale format, too long a show, shitty booking and the method of how television is being watched these days all have their part in it.

Noid bringing up the original points of contention.

Originally Posted by The CyNick Here's another way to look at the ratings - RAW was the SECOND MOST watched show on all of cable on Monday quick - everyone panic!!! Its amateur journalism to report on TV numbers without understanding the landscape of how people consumer entertainment. But that is par for the course in the industry.

CyNick arguing with someone again, but who? Slik when he R/T the ratings?

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ There you go again doing your zero reading comprehension, moron, troll thing. Who the hell here has said the sky is falling? I can't speak for everyone here, but I don't think anyone has said the sky is falling in terms of WWE's finances. All were saying is that the quality of creative has and is still falling, which in turn could lead to a downturn in WWE's finances long term and in some cases may already have. No one is saying WWE is going under though.

To validate Crip, CyNick said the sky is falling and from what I can tell, no one originally stated that WWE is going under.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ There you go again doing your zero reading comprehension, moron, troll thing. Who the hell here has said the sky is falling? I can't speak for everyone here, but I don't think anyone has said the sky is falling in terms of WWE's finances. All we're saying is that the quality of creative has and is still falling, which in turn could lead to a downturn in WWE's finances long term and in some cases may already have. No one is saying WWE is going under though.

And again, and this will get glossed over, but your opinion on creative is irrelevant. Just like mine is.

There is no evidence people are no longer consuming the WWE product. So there's no reason to say creative is down. Its just YOUR opinion. Which, again, is irrelevant.

[Big Vic]

Originally Posted by The CyNick And again, and this will get glossed over, but your opinion on creative is irrelevant. Just like mine is. There is no evidence people are no longer consuming the WWE product. So there's no reason to say creative is down. Its just YOUR opinion. Which, again, is irrelevant.

A lot of people here said they stopped watching, myself included.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Big Vic A lot of people here said they stopped watching, myself included.

Yeah and most of those people who claimed to stop watching still know how long the last Ziggler-Owens match was.

I think most people who claim they stopped watching, are actually still watching at least part of the show.

And even if they did stop watching, the total audience continues to grow across the various platforms. It probably just says WWE past those people by, rather than being failures creatively.

[Savio]

Originally Posted by The CyNick And even if they did stop watching, the total audience continues to grow across the various platforms. It probably just says WWE past those people by, rather than being failures creatively.

On what platforms is it growing?

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by The CyNick the total audience continues to grow across the various platforms.

That's a stupid argument. For all you or WWE knows, a large % of the same people who are turning into RAW on cable (and only catching bits and pieces) are watching it again on Youtube to see stuff they missed or enjoyed. Guess what? There's no way to know if the people that are watching on other platforms are separate from the folks watching on cable. You don't know and neither does WWE, because WWE have no way of accurately tracking with specificity if WWE is getting new unique viewers that differ between RAW on cable, Hulu, Youtube, etc.

In addition, if you knew how little revenue Youtube channels or Hulu replays actually generate, you'd know that the value of a Youtube channel, even one as large as WWE's, or Hulu replays, are jokes and miniscule in comparison to what they make from TV licensing, etc.