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Old 03-15-2016, 12:09 AM   #681
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FYI

These are totally my thoughts and not at all Dave Meltzer's,,,,,,,,, in the least. I wrote this word for word. If any of you doubt me well may god send you to hell just 48 hours ago.

SUMMARY: Behind the scenes, Vince is playing Shane against HHH and Stephanie. Vince is trying to prove he's not out of touch, even though he's lost 75% of his audience in the last 17 years. HHH is running NXT, which has garnered the following of hardcore fans, but Vince doesn't think he can make any of the NXT wrestlers stars. There's internal heat on HHH for not selling the Reigns injury, and tonight he did one of his classic HHH burial jobs on Ziggler. And I'm supposed to care about WrestleMania when all this is going on behind the scenes? You tell me, which sounds like more intriguing developments to follow? As for this show, Pittsburgh has long had the reputation of being a city of dead crowds, and tonight continued that reputation. Closing hour was interesting.
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Old 03-15-2016, 12:26 AM   #682
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LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE YOU'VE MADE THE UNDERTAKER SAD
Well, maybe now he'll go to his hellfire and brimstone dungeon AND THINK ABOUT WHAT HE'S DONE UNTIL HE'S READY TO COME OUT AND APOLOGIZE---AND MEAN IT, TOO!
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Old 03-15-2016, 12:28 AM   #683
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The Demon Kane has the hellfire and brimstone dungeon, not The Undertaker. This is the tire iron all over again!!
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Old 03-15-2016, 12:36 AM   #684
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Fuck you guys talking about Pittsburgh crowd. Mind you this is the same place Mania 30 was changed at the Rumble because of the crowd. If there is something to get behind this crowd certainly will. Could it possibly be WWE has been so disjointed recently no one gives a flying f about half these guys.
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Old 03-15-2016, 12:38 AM   #685
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The problem is, they haven't earned much equity with a lot of crowds. While there wasn't much technically wrong with the show, they still only have themselves to blame for this. Don't get me wrong, fuck that crowd.... but this is a symptom of a bigger problem and I believe they have shot themselves in the foot enough that even when they do put on a decent RAW (and it was decent, not amazing), certain crowds maybe just don't feel the product they've paid for has earned a reaction.

Mind you, Vince is going to blame all the NXT call ups for this. But this one was dead in the water, early and often.
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Old 03-15-2016, 02:30 AM   #686
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I saw a 7 page RAW thread and thought something good had happened. What a waste.
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Old 03-15-2016, 02:44 AM   #687
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LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE YOU'VE MADE THE UNDERTAKER SAD
Lol more in tune with his old theme..

"YOUVE DONE IT NOW..YOUVE GONE AND MADE THE TAKER SAD"
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Fuck you guys talking about Pittsburgh crowd. Mind you this is the same place Mania 30 was changed at the Rumble because of the crowd. If there is something to get behind this crowd certainly will. Could it possibly be WWE has been so disjointed recently no one gives a flying f about half these guys.
well

if you're so "disillusioned" with the product that you simply refuse to cheer for anything resembling a half-decent show (which last night's Raw was, IMO), then why the fuck are you even going?

either a) crowd was just bad

or b) crowd is dumb fucks for buying tickets to an event they had no intention of enjoying going into


so either way, fuck that crowd last night
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I saw a 7 page RAW thread and thought something good had happened. What a waste.
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The crowd was tired due to daylight savings.
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Old 03-15-2016, 09:40 AM   #693
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well

if you're so "disillusioned" with the product that you simply refuse to cheer for anything resembling a half-decent show (which last night's Raw was, IMO), then why the fuck are you even going?

either a) crowd was just bad

or b) crowd is dumb fucks for buying tickets to an event they had no intention of enjoying going into


so either way, fuck that crowd last night
I'm sure there was a hint of both. Going to events there in the past it seems to be a lot of kids with adults so I'm sure none of those were screaming .

My point is give the crowd someone they can actually get behind. The one person in my opnion who is over as a baby face at moment is Ambrose and his pop was huge. Who else deserves that? New Day are Tweeners. Usos um no. Styles is new to a lot of the crowd. Taker is doing Vince's (Heel) dirty work .

Don't even start me on Reigns.

I think alot of crowds would have acted similar
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Old 03-15-2016, 10:36 AM   #695
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The crowd did seem very off for some strange reason last night although to be fair a bit, the show itself was very average overall and there were late rumors of Daniel Bryan making an appearnce. Both could have played a role in the crowd being flat.
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Old 03-15-2016, 11:28 AM   #696
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Why is it strange that a city just wasn't into a show? Because it was Philly or??

If the show was "average" as many people say, do they want a standing ovation?
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Old 03-15-2016, 11:33 AM   #697
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I dunno, I just find it really fucking stupid to even attend an event you have no intention of even enjoying. Do you go to a hockey game for a team you are generally lukewarm about? Why? Seems really pointless/not good investment of your time/dollar
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Old 03-15-2016, 11:42 AM   #698
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I don't remember much of what happened on RAW is WAR but I remember DAMN iNATOR and road doggy dogg had a #bloodfeud
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Raw was pretty insufferable tbh tbh tbh
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Maybe they were hoping for something big? Given that it is Mania season, things are usually "elevated". It has been on cruise control for a while now, it seems. With Philly being a largely smark crowd who most likley hates Reigns, I get why they wouldn't care there.... but his receptions have never been YUGE post-Shield anyway.
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I can't wait until the go-home RAW before Mania is in Brooklyn. That crowd will definitely love Roman Reigns.
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Feel like a flat crowd (like what is described from yesterday) would mean more than resounding boo's.

The WWE has proven they don't care which reaction a wrestler gets, so long as it is a reaction (see: Cena). Reigns will essentially be the same, only with a greater chance of being turned heel to quiet the boos and repackage him into a face that the (majority) of the universe gets behind.

I think if it were just quiet, and people were more apathetic, it would have them scratching their heads as to why the universe doesn't care about their MUST SEE television program.
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idk but Reigns was actually kind of interesting to watch last night
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I dunno, I just find it really freeeking stupid to even attend an event you have no intention of even enjoying. Do you go to a hockey game for a team you are generally lukewarm about? Why? Seems really pointless/not good investment of your time/dollar
I was thinking of going to raw with the girl friday because its something to do .

I probably wont but if I did I would be lukewarm about everyone.

I've gone to Minor league Hockey and Baseball games quite a bit.
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HHH and Ziggler put on a great match. Surprised to say this.....but HHH should seriously be full time still or at least work alot more. The man still has it in spades.

Other than that the only thing from RAW that I noticed was WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE WYATTS!?
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Nothing to do with you, just expected exciting things and then got a lot of people bitching for the sake of bitching.
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Triple H is far above most people in WWE as far as in presence and work in the ring. Honestly to me his physique and size makes him stand out so much in the ring as a fucking destroyer.
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Triple H is far above most people in WWE as far as in presence and work in the ring. Honestly to me his physique and size makes him stand out so much in the ring as a fucking destroyer.

U MEAN LIKE A BARBARIAN?!?!?!
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So this was the most important fight of RAW....

Robinson vs Jericho
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Something seemed so fucked about that so it all makes sense. Jericho was super fucking pissed at Charles Robinson.
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Yeah I was wondering wtf happened as well....just random ass roll up into getting mad and yelling.
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But IMO this is how I feel about "THE ROAD TO WRESTLEMANIA"..........................
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why in the world would Triple H face Dolph Ziggler?
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Maybe they were hoping for something big? Given that it is Mania season, things are usually "elevated". It has been on cruise control for a while now, it seems. With Philly being a largely smark crowd who most likley hates Reigns, I get why they wouldn't care there.... but his receptions have never been YUGE post-Shield anyway.
It was in Pittsburgh... Philadelphia is usually a pretty "hot" crowd for most things, I think
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wish this gif went for like one second longer, pretty sure the guy holding the sign yells BOOTY at Vince
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Whilst I'm here, thoughts on the show:

- New Day is always good, but felt the opening promo was a little flat. Seems like they (WWE) are trying to make them faces without an actual turn, which seems like a waste.

- Average match, but the LON seems to suck the excitement out of the air. Which sucks because they are all actually really good workers, just not together in a boring and bland stable.

- The post match beat down went to long, and felt very disjointed.

- Ambrose is over as fuck, if he doesn't get a monster push at mania/post mania, the WWE is missing the ball. Dude is money.

- Heyman/Lesnar is usually good, but this face vs face fued seems to be limiting everyone involved

- Not hating the Ryback vs Kalisto stuff, but I think Sin Cara needs to turn as well. Make it a triple threat at Mania and things could be a little more interesting. Maybe take the lower half off of Sin Caras mask so he can talk/show some expression. Dunno

- Letting Steph take the lead in the promo is smart, since the crowd will just cheer multi H. Everything about this fued feels forced, its like theyre burying there heads in the sand. This background fued with Dolph is strange, but if there is an actual payoff for him it could be interesting.

-Cool to have Zayn finally on RAW, I originally figured WM would be a multi man ladder match for the IC title with Zayn, Owens, Neville, Miz, Jericho, AJ, but with Neville injured I guess it goes back to 5. The build for all of this over the past few months has been really well done, kinda low key though.

- Good match between Zayn and Miz, builds the fueds nicely.

- LON is a (accidental) comedy that's tragic. Kinda feel like if they turned face they would basically be the Social Outcasts (except people enjoy the Social Outcasts)

- ugh Brie Mode, just terrible. Naomi is so under rated its awful. Will be interesting to see if she can hold the 3 vs 3 match together at WM. Also, against popular opinion, I actually enjoy Namois theme

- Social Outcasts really need a fued of some sort. Not sure with who(m) though. Also I feel like they should add a Diva to the group. No idea who though.

- Ah yes, let the shoehorning of talent into WM matches begin. Paige teaming with the Bellas makes no sense.

- Charlotte is getting pretty good on the mic, actually seems to be comfortable now. Triple threat at mania should be awesome if they give them enough time.

- Job Squad 2.0 back in form, USOS doing everything they can to make the crowd give as hoot. Dudleys on commentary is good, nothing spectacular though.

- Hope there is more to the Ambrose/Foley deal. Awesome seeing the barbedballbat back in action. Ambrose is clearly top dog at the moment, no one on the roster is close.

- Ziggler Vs HHH is alright, obviously playing it safe considering WM is 3 weeks away though. Would like to see them have an actual PPV match, where they can go all out. Good chemistry between them.

- LOL crowd hates Reigns. Props to him for ignoring it and trying his best. Strange finish to the beatdown, its like they realised it wasn't the close of the show, so they just had to have multi H walk off.

- Also the ref tripping on the box, and hopping away might have been the funniest thing all night. Especially when he comes back just to stand in the background and add noise.

- Jacqueline being in the HOF makes sense, being in Texas. I wonder if they will show a (censored) boob shot.

- The Goldust/Truth stuff started off funny, but Truth is better being the accidental comedic one of the two. Pull the trigger and team them, or just join them with Social Outcasts I guess.

- Solid promo by Jericho, he's really hitting his strides lately. probably his best work since Serious Suit Jericho.

- Decent match, besides Neville getting injured. Jericho is such a good performer/ring general. With Charles Robinson flubbing the changed finish, he took control of the situation perfectly (though was also clearly annoyed with CR). Taking the mic at the end to distract from Neville being injured/giving backstage some time to get AJ ready was perfect.

- Phenomenal Forearm (Phorearm?) is kinda ehhh, but I guess it could be worse. Feel like the announcers are gonna flub it a lot.

- Crowd is alive for Vince/UT/Shane, but its gonna be a hard sell to keep Shane even vaguely looking like he has a chance. UT should definitely go over at WM, and if he is going to lose one more WM match it should be to someone who will use the boost. Rollins would be my choice, but that's another matter.

- Kinda average RAW, the crowd really emphasized the lack of care everyone seems to have overall going into WM. Seems like the Authority are trying to claim that theyre making it crappy on purpose, because its best for business. Hope it picks up after WM.

- Also no Wyatts, kinda strange. Maybe they just want everyone to forget about them for a while.
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Lol, Triple Hs promo was absolutely awful.
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I thought Heyman's promo was 2346246x worse

hits the same notes every time... now also shilling the Network... zzz
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