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Old 04-18-2016, 09:43 AM   #24801
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They could do Mask vs. Mask. If Ryback wins Kalisto loses his mask, if Kalisto wins Ryback is forced to wear a mask!
Fine with me. Ryback could get a handler. Zeb Colter, for instance. That dude is so good at talking, he could take Ryback from chickenshit and turn him into chicken salad.
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Old 04-18-2016, 09:45 AM   #24802
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I'm biased but Vito made way, way more out of the gimmick than he ever should have been able to. Could have worked himself into US Title contention eventually.
I heard a funny story on MLW Radio where Court Bauer and, I think, Alex Greenfield were talking about how Vince wanted Vito to challenge Batista for the World Heavyweight Title on a "season premier" edition of SmackDown. Good times.
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Old 04-18-2016, 09:46 AM   #24803
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Speaking of guys taking shit gimmicks and making them gold: How about Paul Burchill as the pirate? He owned that shit. If they had brought up Katie Lea to be his wench, it would have been US Title level.
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Old 04-18-2016, 09:53 AM   #24804
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I still think both midcard titles have a place (the US belt basically being the tertiary European Title) if WWE were to write meaningful storylines for them. But of course, they won't.

If they bring back the brand split in some form as is the rumor I bet they split the midcard belts apart again.
I've got a feeling that the whole "Shane McMahon is working" thing is going to lead to another brand split. It seems asinine to split everything after they fucked up the last one, they have a three-hour RAW, they only unified the World Titles at the end of 2013 and brought in a new Women's belt and I doubt they can co-ordinate one set of champions cross-shows without diluting one of them, but I think they might actually do it.

And come to think of it, Charlotte could easily lose the Women's Title to either Becky or Sasha at Extreme Rules in a Ladder Match (my pick is Becky) and still claim to be the undefeated Divas Champion and take that title to SmackDown. Seth Rollins could return as the lineal (not really, but in WWE's continuity sake's) WWE World Heavyweight Champion, and be crowned the new World Heavyweight Champion of SmackDown or something. He'll be the preferred choice to Roman Reigns and look amazing on that show.

So many players would benefit from the split. Seth Rollins gets another World Title run, Becky gets to be a babyface away from Bayley, Zayn and Owens don't get overexposed in their feud, Strowman and Rusev can be monsters on opposite sides, Natalya can get a novelty run with one belt without fucking up the obvious Bayley victory moment, Harper can return on the opposite show to The Wyatt Family and be a killer, etc.
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Old 04-18-2016, 10:02 AM   #24805
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If it weren't for the brand split, guys like John Cena, Mr. Kennedy, MVP, Kofi Kingston, CM Punk, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit etc. would've never attained the amount of success that they did.
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Old 04-18-2016, 10:03 AM   #24806
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I think a brand split with the champions all being cross-branded could work just fine in theory but I doubt WWE would execute it properly. I'm imagining Reigns mostly working on Raw, feuding with say Chris Jericho. Then that feud ends and he happens to start something on SmackDown and then starts showing up there more frequently. And when Reigns isn't on Raw, they make the IC Title feud going on a focal part of that show along with focusing on non-belt related feuds.

That's actually how they ran it during the early days of the brand extension, in fact they outright said back then that Raw and SmackDown would alternate #1 contenders so it made sense that the floating champion didn't always have to be on both shows even though he technically could.

But again I have my doubts that WWE would do that. Raw would need a larger roster with the extra hour to fill and I'd bet Vince is just of the mindset that the World champion always needs to be on Raw. So that would mean re-splitting the belts which is an idea I just can't support now.
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Old 04-18-2016, 10:04 AM   #24807
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I'm thinking about starting a hypothetical brand split thread. How we would go about splitting titles, one World Champ or two, whether the ladies and tag teams are spread out or together, where does Ambrose go, etc. I think they should do it, and I think I have an idea of how. I think it helps fix a lot of depth problems, actually, despite conventional wisdom probably being to the contrary. I think it spurns on proper usage of some good workers who currently are kind of flopping or at least takes the pressure off them to compete in the same sphere, and compete more parallelly...if that's a word (Sheamus, Rusev, Del Rio, The Colons, The Dudleyz, The Usos, Bulletproof, The Vaudevillains, Cody Rhodes, Kalisto, etc.).
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I think a brand split with the champions all being cross-branded could work just fine in theory but I doubt WWE would execute it properly. I'm imagining Reigns mostly working on Raw, feuding with say Chris Jericho. Then that feud ends and he happens to start something on SmackDown and then starts showing up there more frequently. And when Reigns isn't on Raw, they make the IC Title feud going on a focal part of that show along with focusing on non-belt related feuds.

That's actually how they ran it during the early days of the brand extension, in fact they outright said back then that Raw and SmackDown would alternate #1 contenders so it made sense that the floating champion didn't always have to be on both shows even though he technically could.

But again I have my doubts that WWE would do that. Raw would need a larger roster with the extra hour to fill and I'd bet Vince is just of the mindset that the World champion always needs to be on Raw. So that would mean re-splitting the belts which is an idea I just can't support now.
That's my thing. I totally get the idea of one World Champion, I do. The thing is, if you want them to be separate entities -- completely separate entities -- why would they recognise another's World Champion? And if you have them write separately to create the idea of competition, then how do you go about rostering champions?

You could do something where one month RAW gets the World Champ and SmackDown gets the Women's Champ -- an attempt to make them equal -- but you box yourself into month-long programs. Having two "World" Champs creates a dynamic where each show has a top guy that gets to carry house shows and such, but isn't pressured with carrying the whole company. And that worked fine until they decided to have two World Champs on one show. That's when that shit became too much.

Having two separate shows where the idea is to get hot over the other brings everybody up, and I do think that requires complete isolation. You have your guys and gals, and we have ours. May the hottest program headline. RAW can focus on the RAW stars and champs, and SmackDown can focus on SmackDown. Plus, you can then go back to having Money in the Bank feature two Ladder Matches, which means that you don't get 8 guys that are too big for it in one match. The Rumble gets some mystique back as guys that don't usually fight end up fighting. King of the Ring can not feel not like it's excluding a whole bunch of guys that should be in it, etc.
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Old 04-18-2016, 10:13 AM   #24811
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:28 AM   #24813
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:39 AM   #24814
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Old 04-18-2016, 01:00 PM   #24816
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The thing about a brand split is Raw is always going to be superior. If they made Smackdown a lower level brand like a step above NXT I think it could work. Don't think it needs,a world title either. Maybe even brand it something else besides WWE Smackdown. Maybe bring back the WCW name and run it as a separate brand along with WWE and NXT. Or make Smackdown live 3 hour show.
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On Facebook r/n WWE is promoting that Roman Reigns is walking the red carpet for RAW.

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Old 04-18-2016, 02:12 PM   #24818
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The thing about a brand split is Raw is always going to be superior. If they made Smackdown a lower level brand like a step above NXT I think it could work. Don't think it needs,a world title either. Maybe even brand it something else besides WWE Smackdown. Maybe bring back the WCW name and run it as a separate brand along with WWE and NXT. Or make Smackdown live 3 hour show.
It doesn't have to be. During the early days of the brand split, Smackdown was argueably the superior brand. Over the years, for whatever reason, they just stopped trying, and smackdown became a secondary show.
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There was a period during the late '00s when Smackdown became the elite show again. It was clearly better than Monday Night RAW at the time.
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Old 04-18-2016, 03:09 PM   #24820
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Still a fucking idiot for doing that running knee in the corner in fucking Chicago and the nap-time pose. Way to get people to shit all over your rebuilding phase, bro.
Of everything Ryback has done in the past couple months, that was my favorite.
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The masked dude (I don't watch, sorry) has shown up in NXT with a buddy.
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Old 04-18-2016, 06:18 PM   #24824
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TNA might be screwed beyond repair if the rumors of who the new investors are ends up being true.

TNA's supposed to make an official announcement very soon and according to F4W/Observer, the Harris Brothers and their company is likely the investors picked. TNA had two options with both wanting control of the company but the Harris Bros company already had experience running TNA last year.

What might have swayed the decision to go with the Harris Bros is Dixie likely keeping some control of the company which the other investors might not have wanted (and everyone else in the past who was interested).

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Ron & Don Harris, twin brothers and retired wrestlers who've worked for ECW and several other companies as the Bruise Brothers and WWE as the Blu Brothers and Grimm Twins, currently are officers of Nashville-based Aroluxe. That marketing company likely fronted the money for both the last and next Impact tapings in Orlando, and it's believed they or a company they own are the third-party firm which took over production last year when TNA had issues paying their staff and crew.

The hold-up reportedly remains Dixie Carter's insistence in retaining a 51% share of the company. But without any backing from Panda Energy and little upfront money in their contract with POP TV, it's said debts are mounting and Carter will have to do whatever is necessary to secure more financing.

That includes selling control of the company to Aroluxe. More news, one way or the other, is expected in the next couple of days.
http://www.cagesideseats.com/tna-imp...tential-buyers

For some reference, last time the Harris Bros were brought in, they ended up not caring about how late paychecks were and their idea of solving any potential issue was to threaten people with firings.

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A seemingly good week wasn't all sunshine and rainbows for TNA Wrestling apparently, as The Sporting News is reporting that the company is behind on production payments yet again.

During a production meeting on Thurdsay, Ron and Don Harris passed down information that checks for the company's May tapings wouldn't be out until at least July 25. The Harris Twins recently returned to the company and were put in charge of the TNA production team.

The Sporting News says that The Harris Twins said "If you're not happy, just shake our hands and walk away." After a period without payment last year, several production team members refused to work until they were paid.

"I don't blame (the Harris Twins). They're back after 10 years and don't know what's going on," one long-time production employee told the site. Another said "It's the same old TNA bullsh-t."

The standard in the industry is to pay freelance production workers within 30 days of service. This is at least the third time in the past year it's happened with TNA.
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Old 04-18-2016, 06:26 PM   #24825
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Hopefully the talent involved there can find a respectable wrasslin job elsewhere. But it is time to let it go.
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Old 04-18-2016, 07:28 PM   #24826
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Old 04-18-2016, 07:54 PM   #24827
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lol so tna is now being run by a couple of legit racist nazis. Great.
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Old 04-18-2016, 07:58 PM   #24828
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But at this point, I fully believe that a ressuected hitler could take control of the company, and make a roster consisting only of aryan midgets, and they would still hang on.
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Old 04-18-2016, 08:00 PM   #24829
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The nuclear holocaust could finally take place, destroying all life as we know it, and tna would still be running shows in some irradiated desert somewhere.
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The Harris Brothers buying TNA? Fuck.
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The masked dude (I don't watch, sorry) has shown up in NXT with a buddy.
Aw, really? He's fantastic, but he's 5'10" so I can't see him doing great there.
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Old 04-19-2016, 07:44 AM   #24835
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Speaking of guys taking shit gimmicks and making them gold: How about Paul Burchill as the pirate? He owned that shit. If they had brought up Katie Lea to be his wench, it would have been US Title level.
I don't know that that would've worked, honestly. I think Vince got a glimpse of him with the gimmick and ended it because he had no idea what "Pirates of the Caribbean" was.
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Old 04-19-2016, 07:49 AM   #24836
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Wow @ TNA article. If these guys were opening the company up to untold numbers of wrongful termination lawsuits by threatening to fire people who only wanted the money they were owed last time something like this happened and it starts happening again, they may as well just #ShutItDown right now.
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I don't know that that would've worked, honestly. I think Vince got a glimpse of him with the gimmick and ended it because he had no idea what "Pirates of the Caribbean" was.
It was pulled entirely when Vince worked out what POTC was. He was en route before then.
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Old 04-19-2016, 09:41 AM   #24838
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where did they get money, i would rather have matt and jeff hardy buy the company
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Old 04-19-2016, 10:18 AM   #24839
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TNA is so tarnished. It's unfuckingreal how they are even "alive" today. I just want this nightmare to end.
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Old 04-19-2016, 10:21 AM   #24840
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Yeah that TNA are at nearly 14 full years of existence is astonishing to me. They've been around longer than fucking WCW.
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