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Old 08-02-2016, 01:31 AM   #41
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Kevin Nash is meh. He's far from terrible or anything, but the guy never really entertained me, and honestly I always felt he was overrated as all hell. He's also got a really weird looking mouth.

The Rock isn't as great as he's made out to be either. His face shtick is just copy-pasted every time he does it, and even as a heel I never really enjoyed him as much as other guys. Again, he wasn't terrible or anything, but he just didn't click with me the way he has with everyone else.

Sheamus is great. The guy could be a face of the company if they'd just book him correctly. I know everyone else is gonna say that's a lie, but I honestly believe that if his face run had been booked with him just being a badass that kicks the crap out of heels that deserve it or that no one else can beat he'd have gotten over big time. Also like someone else said his mohawk and beaded beard look was good in my opinion. The twirly mustache though? Not so much...

Nikki Bella, Maryse, and Eva Marie are not hot. I can hear the "you're a homo" comments coming already, but honestly they're not. They're dime a dozen plastic bimbos that are about as attractive as a barbie doll. I can see hotter chicks on literally any porn website for free.
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Old 08-02-2016, 01:35 AM   #42
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Agree with you on Maryse and Eva Marie. About as cookie cutter as they come. Maryse also has complete and utter turn the channel heat. I can see Eva Marie possessing the same "charm".
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Old 08-02-2016, 01:49 AM   #43
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I think that Eva Marie has an it factor that no diva since Trish, or maybe even Sable or Chyna, has had. She is a superstar waiting to happen, and the fact that she gets such passionate reactions is great because 75% of the roster gets crickets. I'm a BIG Eva Marie supporter.
Problem is, you're going to be waiting for a looooooong time. She's the drizzling shits, cringe inducing botches that could hurt who she's working (without the "mood lighting" excuse that the original Sin Cara had), and is shitty at selling from either overselling more than DZ to no-selling moves in the same match. And she's only gotten marginally better even after all the time and care they supposedly put into her.

If she were a man, I'd wager most of her supporters would have called for her to be future endeavored ages ago. If her only "IT" factor is tits and being an unlikable bitch on a reality show, there is a long line of potential women who could and likely should come in and take her place.

Or at the very least, cut their losses and make her a manager. Being an in-ring performer shouldn't be in the cards for her.

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... I have similar feelings for everyone's favorite Irish girl.

Not that she's awful at wrestling related activity (don't just mean "workrate", folks) as "all red everything"; far from it. She's decent in the ring, but just insanely overrated/average. Hype music and a midriff. Matches are meh. Promos are meh. Yes, she's pretty. Yeah, you want to eat off her abs... but, really, is that all she's got? She's generic cereal in a fairly eye-pleasing box. She would have KILLED in the 90's, or any of those times where there was essentially no Women's/Diva's division outside of the champion. But as is in the current wave of "girls who can go" direction things are headed in, she's pretty much middle-of-the-road.
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Old 08-02-2016, 02:10 AM   #44
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Agree with you on Maryse and Eva Marie. About as cookie cutter as they come. Maryse also has complete and utter turn the channel heat. I can see Eva Marie possessing the same "charm".
... though of the three (Nikki Bella was included as well), Maryse doesn't look AS fake. Still not on that bandwagon, though.
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Old 08-02-2016, 02:41 AM   #45
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JBL's world title run on Smackdown. Came outta nowhere. JBL essentially went from almost a jobber or a midcard hand at best to a main eventer with the title in almost no time.
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Old 08-02-2016, 02:43 AM   #46
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Are you saying you hated it?
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Old 08-02-2016, 02:47 AM   #47
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Are you saying you hated it?
Hate is a strong word. Just that, especially at the time, it felt too rushed/forced and I couldn't get into it. Actually made me stop watching Smackdown because it felt so sudden and out of place. Still bugs me to this day, though I enjoy more now for what it was than I did at the time.
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Old 08-02-2016, 02:50 AM   #48
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Oh yeah... Miz is highly underrated by most IMO. Especially on the mic and as a heel character.
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Hate is a strong word. Just that, especially at the time, it felt too rushed/forced and I couldn't get into it. Actually made me stop watching Smackdown because it felt so sudden and out of place. Still bugs me to this day, though I enjoy more now for what it was than I did at the time.
Okay, just wanted you to clarify. Wasn't really an opinion in your original statement, "against the grain" or otherwise... just an event and pretty much a fact.
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Old 08-02-2016, 09:33 AM   #50
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JBL's world title run on Smackdown. Came outta nowhere. JBL essentially went from almost a jobber or a midcard hand at best to a main eventer with the title in almost no time.
This is against the grain for tpww, but not anywhere else with half a mind for wrestling.

JBL was an effective character but not as a #straightouttanowhere world champion.
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Old 08-02-2016, 10:43 AM   #51
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I've watched TNA ever since it started and most things haven't been as bad as many seem to make them out to be....
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I prefer Biker Taker to Deadman Taker. There, I said it.
Particularly after losing the Streak to Brock Lesnar, I would have been much happier if Taker returned and played out the rest of his career as Biker Taker.
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Problem is, you're going to be waiting for a looooooong time. She's the drizzling shits, cringe inducing botches that could hurt who she's working (without the "mood lighting" excuse that the original Sin Cara had), and is shitty at selling from either overselling more than DZ to no-selling moves in the same match. And she's only gotten marginally better even after all the time and care they supposedly put into her.
Look how visceral your post was. You can't build heel heat like that in wrestling anymore, especially within the smark community. Wrestling isn't just about how many snowflakes a match can put up, it's about characters and stories, and Eva Marie has a bitch, entitled character down and will be an excellent heel foil for the face women, even if she is just doing jobs.

And as far as he in-ring work, I think she has improved markedly, and is probably better than most women on the roster beside the 4 NXT women. Her characer is, in my opinion, what Sasha's should have been since her call-up, and she does it better.
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Old 08-02-2016, 11:51 AM   #54
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It doesn't matter how visceral a reaction is, if it just means you're going to change the channel, because that's what I do when I see that loser on tv.
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I'm on the Eva bandwagon but I always have been. I think she's got it from a character standpoint. I haven't watched any of her NXT stuff so I don't know if she has improved any in the ring but she would be a great valet for a heel.
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After seeing that bizarre "announcer" thing last week, they'll take her in one of two directions. Either they are going to lay on the vanity gimmick really hard and making her that much more of a heel or they know people are starting to like her because she's so bad that they're going to go over the top with it and force all sorts of what they think will be "fun-bad" parts to her that they suffer a "fandangoing" and people don't buy into it.
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Old 08-02-2016, 12:14 PM   #57
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As to the original thread title, I am pro Eva, less enthusiastic on Becky than most but that's been said.

I'll say this: I like Michael Cole. I think he gets shit on alot because there are certain components of his job that his superiors require him to do that isn't his fault. He has to blurt out stuff Vince tells him to and tow the company line to an extreme because one false move or show of insubordination and he's done. Ever since they dropped the heel Cole thing which was awful and brought him back to a middle of the road play by play guy, he's been solid. Getting rid of King, Booker and now JBL have been great moves and have slowly brought the commenting team away from the forefront and more into the background of the show which is where it should be.

Cole is a pro and good at his job, but because he just does as he's told to do, people hate him for it.
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I'll pitch my suggestion later but I've seen a lot of threads for this Podcast - what's the forum view on it? Any good?
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On commentators, I will go against the grain and say that I still don't slobber over Mauro Ranallo like everyone else here seems to do. The content of what he says is good, but he really needs to work on his voice/presentation. A lot of the time he comes across as real "disingenuous sounding" like he is "putting on a radio voice".

He has already improved a lot from when he started (at which time he was completely unbearable), but he still needs to work at it.
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As to the original thread title, I am pro Eva, less enthusiastic on Becky than most but that's been said.

I'll say this: I like Michael Cole. I think he gets shit on alot because there are certain components of his job that his superiors require him to do that isn't his fault. He has to blurt out stuff Vince tells him to and tow the company line to an extreme because one false move or show of insubordination and he's done. Ever since they dropped the heel Cole thing which was awful and brought him back to a middle of the road play by play guy, he's been solid. Getting rid of King, Booker and now JBL have been great moves and have slowly brought the commenting team away from the forefront and more into the background of the show which is where it should be.

Cole is a pro and good at his job, but because he just does as he's told to do, people hate him for it.
Cole was AMAZING on "Beast in the East". Marked difference from insanely micromanaged to just being able to do his job freely.
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Taz should have gone on to have a long title reign as an unstoppable killing machine after he debuted and handed Kurt Angle his first loss.
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Your most "Against The... 08-02-2016 05:28 AM SlickyTrickyDamon no shit. leave tpww forever


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Look how visceral your post was. You can't build heel heat like that in wrestling anymore, especially within the smark community. Wrestling isn't just about how many snowflakes a match can put up, it's about characters and stories, and Eva Marie has a bitch, entitled character down and will be an excellent heel foil for the face women, even if she is just doing jobs.

And as far as he in-ring work, I think she has improved markedly, and is probably better than most women on the roster beside the 4 NXT women. Her characer is, in my opinion, what Sasha's should have been since her call-up, and she does it better.
Thing is, you don't see that as a problem. Things have gotten so far gone that heels who get "the wrong" heat are being seen as true heels, and heels who do shit right get CHEERED because they're doing what they are supposed to do, and fans are showing outward appreciation instead of playing THEIR part and booing the fuck out of them to maintain balance. Someone earlier said Bray Wyatt "chases cheers", and I don't entirely agree. Think of some of his feuds- vs Cena, where Mr. "Same old Shit" was pit against the "breath of fresh air". Traditionally, they played their roles, but because the crowd is bored of SuperCena, and wanted Bray to get some shine, they got the opposite reactions on what they were expected to. Hell, Rollins even masterfully does the deal where he shits on the crowd, and often gets cheered for it.

People used to ask *why* is the crowd reacting a particular way and adjust. If it's "fuck off" heat, those people would go away. Now, it's just "fuck it, a boo is a boo, and a cheer is a cheer".

Eva is a good heel because of her persona on a show half the audience doesn't even watch, and because she can legit hurt someone/herself on accident? Hell, eventually even Otunga stopped trying. Hell, Peyton Royce can do Eva's gimmick. Or some other nondescript understudy. But, no, WWE is so dead set on building her in spite of the evidence otherwise, and they appear as though they will only abandon this if a) she does something to embarass them, like Roman or b) she Droz-es someone.
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Taz should have gone on to have a long title reign as an unstoppable killing machine after he debuted and handed Kurt Angle his first loss.
At least come close to HTM's reign as IC champ. Even being a midcard monster would have been a nice way to showcase the guy.
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I think there are alot of people who would agree with you, actually.
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Drebs, this CAN'T be in regards to me... this has to be targeted at Cool King... right? RIGHT?!
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