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Old 09-11-2016, 01:15 PM   #1
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Why WWE doesn't Want To Make Stars. Another outstanding commentary from OTRS.



This guy hits the nail on the head again.
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Old 09-11-2016, 02:09 PM   #2
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Old 09-12-2016, 07:05 AM   #8
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To be fair, the Universal Title really doesn't mean shit.
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Old 09-12-2016, 11:26 PM   #9
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It's still a top title on its respective brand. It's still the main event belt for its roster. That means something.
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It's an achievement award.
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Old 09-13-2016, 12:53 AM   #11
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Well yeah isn't every title?
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Old 09-13-2016, 04:23 AM   #12
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I'm sure the belt means something to the guys that go out there and bust their ass.
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I'm just waiting for the "ever since I was a little boy, I wanted to be the Universal Champion" promos.
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Old 09-13-2016, 07:00 AM   #14
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Does it mean as much as being the actual World Champion. The actual World Champion right now is either AJ Styles or Brock Lesnar, depending on how you look at it.
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Old 09-13-2016, 08:41 AM   #15
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Ya, it does not mean anythkng. It is just the main title on the show that has the most wrestling fans watching on a weekly basis. No big deal. Now if Owen were the ROH champion then it would he a big deal because of the 100 fans that watch it would appreciate how awesome their title looks.
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Old 09-13-2016, 09:10 AM   #16
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Does it mean as much as being the actual World Champion. The actual World Champion right now is either AJ Styles or Brock Lesnar, depending on how you look at it.
The champions are Kevin Owens and AJ Styles because each holds the top title of his brand.

What championship is Brock Lesnar holding right now?
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Old 09-13-2016, 06:19 PM   #17
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He has the prestige of walking in and basically making either of them look like they don't belong in a wrestling ring with him. He has a prestige of being the biggest active star in the industry (could be debatable if you include The Rock). If Kevin Owens vs. Seth Rollins was taking place at the same event as Brock Lesnar vs. Randy Orton II, which do you think would headline? Exactly.
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That doesn't make him an "actual world champion." He's a special attraction since he wrestles 4 times a year. Of course he'd headline. It wouldn't make sense to bring him in once a quarter and put him in the middle.
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Lesnar is the modern day Andre the Giant.
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Noid, we get that you think that the title is ugly with a dumb name. It's nothing to get cranky about, though. It's there as the top title on the flagship show. Maybe you should take a nap or something.
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Yeah, I'm so disillusioned with wrestling at the moment. It doesn't make sense and it seems like everything is designed to cool people's interest. I'm thinking about taking a break from everything. The idea of coming back a few years down the track and catching up on things historically could be a nice little surprise. It'd be a wonderful feeling to come back in three years and see that Cesaro is the World Champion at WrestleMania and a wonderfully charismatic heel, for example. It's just hard to give up something that I love so much just because it has been really cruel to me over the past few years.

But then I think: When was wrestling actually really good? There have been periods where NXT was something I would look forward to every week, or heading into WrestleMania XXX where Bryan and Cesaro were huge stars (but not as huge as they should have been) and that sort of thing -- but then it all gets pissed away. Even the stuff we remember as good wasn't that good, was it? It makes me think that I possibly shouldn't be so critical of what's in front of me at present because it might one day have its own nostalgia value, but it's just so terrible to me. I dunno.
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And I'm not the only one who thinks so. Wrestling is in the fucking toilet at the moment.
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Validate yourself however you feel you need to, but I've really been enjoying it lately. I'm not the only one who has been, either.
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I won't argue that wrestling is at any kind of peak but I enjoy the likes of Ambrose, Rollins, Owens, Wyatt, Charlotte, Sasha, and Becky, and even more established guys like Miz and Ziggler are finding new relevance. Cena has a good, non-smothering role, Orton is easing into a comfortable veteran status and Lesnar shows up to do his thing when needed. A few more ingredients stirred into the current mix could really make this a great product.
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Wrestling is probably better than its been since 2000.
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Everything is amazing besides having Finn Balor and Owens being the Uni Champion. Shit it dumb but overall the product is solid.
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Validate yourself however you feel you need to, but I've really been enjoying it lately. I'm not the only one who has been, either.
Yeah, I've got numbers though. You've got a niche. People shitting on each other has a niche.
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Wrestling is probably better than its been since 2000.
This is what really depresses me. I'm trying to think of a good year. There have been good periods, but nothing that was really sustained. I'm just so burnt out on how...meaningless everything is.
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Old 09-16-2016, 03:01 AM   #29
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This is what really depresses me. I'm trying to think of a good year. There have been good periods, but nothing that was really sustained. I'm just so burnt out on how...meaningless everything is.
Smackdown was good in the mid 2000's but Raw was unwatchable.
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Honestly, this is what got me to start getting into wrestling history 3 years ago. I spend my time scouring the net for old WWF shows from 1977-86 and I enjoy the hell out of it. I have over 150 -200 shows from 77-86 saved on my hard drive. I'll watch what's going on with guys like Slater but other than that my time devoted to wrestling is spent on doing research and uncovering old shows and matches.
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Smackdown was good in the mid 2000's but Raw was unwatchable.
Yeah, SmackDown has basically kept me a fan over the years, I think. Holy fuck was Triple H's heel run tedious. Actually, his face run fucking sucked too. Part-time Hunter has made people forget how shitty full-time Hunter was, I think.

SmackDown itself has hit bumps though. I remember parts of 2008 I enjoyed on both RAW and SmackDown, although I have to concede how meaningless that year ultimately was.

I naively thought that 2014 WWE was going to turn a real corner. The most over act in the company had become the World Champion, Triple H was destroyed in the opening match, Kane and The Outlaws were basically squashed by The Shield, Cesaro had won the Andre Battle Royal and had a Hogan moment with Big Show and got the literal rub from Hogan, the streak ended and Paul Heyman carried that energy with him into a partnership with Cesaro, Bray Wyatt lost to Cena but set himself up as a major player.

Holy fuck, was I wrong...
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Yeah, I've got numbers though. You've got a niche. People shitting on each other has a niche.
Fuck numbers. Justin Bieber does numbers. That doesn't make him great.

I never claimed wrestling was doing great business right now. I'm just saying that I am really enjoying it as a fan these days. It's really easy to when you don't concern yourself with numbers. They don't appear to be in any danger of folding, so what could I possibly have to worry about?
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No, but it is a reasonable measure of success. You can like eating shit for all I care, but I can say that I don't. We are both allowed to have our opinion, but if you were to try and make a case for it, I can at least point to things like stats on why eating shit isn't the best thing for you. Go ahead and have your opinion. I'm glad you're enjoying it -- that immediately makes you happier than me with your television choices right now, but you only have that opinion. I can at least back up my opinion with the fact that I am at least part of the majority who would rather not eat shit on a weekly basis; I just love wrestling at its core too much.

Oh, and Becky Lynch. I love Becky Lynch.
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Old 09-17-2016, 07:58 AM   #37
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No, but it is a reasonable measure of success. You can like eating shit for all I care, but I can say that I don't. We are both allowed to have our opinion, but if you were to try and make a case for it, I can at least point to things like stats on why eating shit isn't the best thing for you. Go ahead and have your opinion. I'm glad you're enjoying it -- that immediately makes you happier than me with your television choices right now, but you only have that opinion. I can at least back up my opinion with the fact that I am at least part of the majority who would rather not eat shit on a weekly basis; I just love wrestling at its core too much.

Oh, and Becky Lynch. I love Becky Lynch.
Why does everything have to be so dramatic with you. Ratings are down so people that like what they're watching are eating shit? Come on. If you don't like it so much spend your time doing something you like instead of coming off so obnoxious like you have been lately.

And if you "love wrestling at its core too much" you'd realize the wrestling is better than it's ever been. Your problem is you're still looking for the engaging story driven content on WWE, when you are not going to find on a PG show. Yes the booking is bad, but what do you want? It's a PG show. Breaking Bad, Game Of Thrones, Better Call Saul etc. are all loved for their storytelling, how many of those shows are PG?
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He has the prestige of walking in and basically making either of them look like they don't belong in a wrestling ring with him. He has a prestige of being the biggest active star in the industry (could be debatable if you include The Rock). If Kevin Owens vs. Seth Rollins was taking place at the same event as Brock Lesnar vs. Randy Orton II, which do you think would headline? Exactly.
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That doesn't make him an "actual world champion." He's a special attraction since he wrestles 4 times a year. Of course he'd headline. It wouldn't make sense to bring him in once a quarter and put him in the middle.
If they were to somehow get Lesnar on a full time contract and start using him on a weekly basis and overexposing him, Noid's point would still stand. He'd headline because he's an actual star. Owens, Rollins, Balor, Styles, etc. are not.
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And if you "love wrestling at its core too much" you'd realize the wrestling is better than it's ever been. Your problem is you're still looking for the engaging story driven content on WWE, when you are not going to find on a PG show. Yes the booking is bad, but what do you want? It's a PG show. Breaking Bad, Game Of Thrones, Better Call Saul etc. are all loved for their storytelling, how many of those shows are PG?
The idea that writing can't be good because it's a PG show is just ridiculous. Come on. What about PG prevents good writing exactly?
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Wrestling is probably better than its been since 2000.
Rock and Austin were still around full time for a couple years after 2000. So this is certainly not true.
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