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Old 09-19-2016, 10:48 PM   #281
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Be a Star hold?
Had to look it up to be sure but they were calling it the Bully Choke during the CWC tournament and then just randomly decided to change its name out of nowhere for RAW now.
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Old 09-19-2016, 10:48 PM   #282
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THE Kendrick wins. Match was pretty good. Slower pace than what was done in the CWC though it being a Fatal Fourway probably played a big role why.




Why not do commercial before the match like they did, 15-20 minute match, then commercial break afterwards. No breaking up a match because of a badly timed commercial spot or stuff barely happening because they are cramming breaks in a row.
They prob got schedules/rules on when they need to put commercials in......
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Old 09-19-2016, 10:51 PM   #283
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Old 09-19-2016, 10:51 PM   #284
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They prob got schedules/rules on when they need to put commercials in......
Probably. Just feel like RAW/Smackdown being a scripted show means they should be able to schedule stuff around it unlike with sports where they have both scheduled spots and whenever the opportunity presents it because of the unpredictability of games.
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Old 09-19-2016, 10:57 PM   #285
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I don't really have a problem with commercials, and I'd rather have longer matches with a commercial break in most cases than the three or five minute matches we got for a long time.

It's just that they really emphasize and underscore shitty pacing and a show where nothing is happening.
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So SD still the show to watch for me besides crusierweights on RAW nothing to see really
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Has a face ever escaped a cage match using the door and not one of those situations where both guys are about to fall out at the same time?

Wouldn't matter if Reigns did it since he'd get booed because crowds don't like him.
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Tonight feels like it has just been MEH for a "go home" RAW overall. Not great, but not terrible. Enjoyed that there were less squash matches, and the women's tag, Cesaro v. Sheamus, to a moderate degree the 10-man tag and the first CW match of the new era on network TV were all good to great IMO.
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What an anti-climactic ending.....

Plus the champ loses......


WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THIS SUNDAY NIGHT?!
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Guess I forgot above, but I'd like to add it seems slightly better (not good, by any means, but def better) that the talking segment at the start was only ~10 mins.

Also, definitely feels as though loud cheers for Roman winning were piped in for a second there.
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What an apropos way to end this shitshow.
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What an anti-climactic ending.....

Plus the champ loses......


WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THIS SUNDAY NIGHT?!
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(Nothing, because it releases 16 days after Clash of Champions on Tuesday, October 11).
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Would have been "funny" if he ran down the ramp, slid under the ring, and popped up through the mat........
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Meh main event match but the post-match stuff was pretty good.
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Easy to do that when every match on the show is between 2-10 minutes tops
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In the attitude era there was rarely a commercial break between matches.
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It's not in Rollins character to do that
He's pretty much a face now
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Rollins is a face now, yeah? It seems a bit stupid to ask, but I'm not sure if he's actually done anything to confirm his disposition yet.

Also, did I read correctly that Kevin Owens lost a Cage Match to Roman Reigns?
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Old 09-20-2016, 07:29 AM   #314
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To Savio's point though, the WWE puts commercial breaks in their Kickoff matches. Aren't those designed to air on the WWE Network and YouTube? Why do you need a commercial break in those?
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I'm curious to see how Clash of Champions goes as a show:

* Nia Jax should destroy Alicia Fox and it should be fairly fun. They are a building a monster there, but I don't know where she goes next. The depth in the division means she's going to have to get in the ring with Bayley or Sasha very soon, and it'll be intriguing to see how they handle that.

* I hope they add a cruiserweight tag to the Kickoff. That could be a lot of fun.

* Brian Kendrick is a good first choice for TJ Perkins. I hope they give Kendrick a chance to talk and sell the match. Kota Ibushi ended his dreams of winning the CWC and then Perkins beat Ibushi. He sort of diluted Kendrick's legacy stakes there. It'll be a good chance to get the Legbar over when Kendrick, the grizzled veteran with nothing left to lose, taps out. I also hope they give Perkins a chance to talk because he's on point when he does and comes off as well-spoken.

* Jericho vs. Zayn will be incredible, I think. Jericho is the perfect asshole to emphasize Zayn's likable traits. You can buy Zayn beating Jericho too. I hope this isn't one and done and Jericho is invested in getting Zayn over.

* Sheamus vs. Cesaro is interesting. I'm sure they'll take things up a notch for the finale. I wonder if Cesaro has signed a new contract? This seemed designed for Cesaro to win in an attempt to try and push him again. I'd laugh if he wins and then says he's going to take his championship opportunity on SmackDown and jumps ship. It seems like a lot of work for these guys to go through to end up with a US Title shot, but I'd honestly be really cool with Roman Reigns vs. Cesaro as a program. If Sheamus wins, I imagine that the crowd will galvanize behind Cesaro some more, and maybe they'll sort of "YES! Movement" him, although obviously not as hot?

* I still find Big Luke a bit shit in the ring, but I won't be distraught if him and Anderson take the tag belts, but I won't be upset if New Day keep them either, because I'd honestly rather see them slightly heel it up for a program with Enzo & Cass than Gallows & Anderson go into one with them. I've got no clue where you put Gallows & Anderson, but they would make natural allies for Owens at this point, wouldn't they? They don't need the belts for that.

* I'm actually hoping Roman Reigns wins the US Title belt. No one from "The Bloodline" has ever held that title before, and Reigns with a mid-card run actually seems somewhat refreshing. My ideal scenario would be for him to work with Cesaro.

* The Women's Title becoming a Triple Threat actually makes sense, because you can now have Dana Brooke's interference be completely legal. I imagine she'll help Charlotte retain, with Banks and Bayley canceling each other out, to continue to string along the eventual Virgil/Alex Riley-esque break for glory. When Emma returns, it'll be interesting to see how she factors into the Charlotte/Dana relationship. Charlotte vs. Emma would actually be an intriguing little match-up while Dana faces the girl she hits with the belt or whatever at Clash and the other one deals with Nia. Keeping the women's division fresh is going to be harder than it is in NXT though, because you'll have the girls bumping into each other more often, and you don't get to send them away when they're on the main show.

* Rollins vs. Owens will be good from an in-ring perspective. Owens will be keeping the belt, but it's just a matter of how. Do Anderson & Gallows emerge as allies to him? Does Steph turn? Does Triple H simply stick himself into it again? I don't have a high interest in it, as I feel the whole Universal Title scene really...forced at the moment. Feels like a mid-card title match while Rusev vs. Reigns, at least in style, feels like the World Title bout. I think that's why I want Cesaro to go after the US Title instead of the Uni Title -- it's got the history and the match will be "heavier."

* Oh, and I do hope that Enzo & Cass vs. The Shining Stars gets added to the main card as an opener. I'd like Epico & Primo to get the chance to open some eyes. I don't agree with them getting these random pins on Enzo, but it's leading up to the outcome of Enzo pinning Epico, which will be a nice little moment and would be a fine way to kick off what should be a tremendous show from an in-ring perspective.

Pretty much everything has got something at stake, and the match that doesn't have that material reward (Jericho vs. Zayn) stands out for being a personal issue. This is a small gripe, but I hope that Michael Cole and Corey Graves call the show alone with Byron Saxton doing something else (ring announcing while JoJo interviews or something) because I think the two-man teams are better. I understand why they have them for the three-hour RAWs, but I think Cole and Graves can handle a PPV on their own. I know it will be presented exactly like a RAW, but Backlash was pretty much your usual PPV format with a SmackDown aesthetic, but Clash could feel different very easily.

Hell in a Cell could end up looking like:

* Kevin Owens (c) vs. Seth Rollins for the RAW World Title in Hell in a Cell
* Charlotte (c) vs. Sasha Banks for the Women's Title in Hell in a Cell
* Roman Reigns (c) vs. Cesaro for the US Title
* The New Day (c) vs. Enzo & Cass for the Tag Team Titles
* Bayley vs. Nia Jax vs. Dana Brooke in a Women's Title #1 Contender's Match
* Chris Jericho vs. Sami Zayn II
* TJ Perkins vs. Fuck, I hope Kota Ibushi
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Where is the Young vs Titus match?!?!
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* The Women's Title becoming a Triple Threat actually makes sense, because you can now have Dana Brooke's interference be completely legal. I imagine she'll help Charlotte retain, with Banks and Bayley canceling each other out, to continue to string along the eventual Virgil/Alex Riley-esque break for glory. When Emma returns, it'll be interesting to see how she factors into the Charlotte/Dana relationship. Charlotte vs. Emma would actually be an intriguing little match-up while Dana faces the girl she hits with the belt or whatever at Clash and the other one deals with Nia. Keeping the women's division fresh is going to be harder than it is in NXT though, because you'll have the girls bumping into each other more often, and you don't get to send them away when they're on the main show.
I think the Emma/Dana alliance is gonna be nixed, to be honest. I'd be pretty surprised if she doesn't go to SmackDown to be on the same show as Zack Ryder. It's possible that Vince has one of those "he doesn't deserve her dammit, let's split them up" moments which ultimately led to the whole Paige and Del Rio situation but it's tough to think they'd do that again given the controversy it's caused.

Or Emma can retire and spend her life with me. That would be OK, too.
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I think the Emma/Dana alliance is gonna be nixed, to be honest. I'd be pretty surprised if she doesn't go to SmackDown to be on the same show as Zack Ryder. It's possible that Vince has one of those "he doesn't deserve her dammit, let's split them up" moments which ultimately led to the whole Paige and Del Rio situation but it's tough to think they'd do that again given the controversy it's caused.

Or Emma can retire and spend her life with me. That would be OK, too.
You're probably right in that it'll be nixed. Emma on SmackDown at least adds another woman who was a wrestler before she got to the WWE to their ranks. I'd like to see her vs. Becky Lynch to be honest.
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Most of what's happened on Raw has made sense despite me just not being particularly interested. It's more burnout on sitting through a 3 hour show every week than it is me not enjoying the show.

But it's shaping up to be a damn good PPV with a lot of fun matches. The PPVs have by and large delivered all year even through the periods where I wasn't watching the television or build up at all.
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