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Old 07-31-2004, 05:49 PM   #1
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Nomar is out of Boston
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Old 07-31-2004, 05:53 PM   #2
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This is the deal apparently:

Red Sox get: SP Matt Clement SS Orlando Cabrera
Cubs get: SS Nomar Garciaparra
Twins get: Derek Lowe
Expos get: prospects
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Damn.
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Old 07-31-2004, 06:17 PM   #4
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Nope that wasn't the deal:

Sox: Cabrera and Mientkiewicz
Cubs: Nomar
Expos: Alex Gonzalez
Twins: Prospects


FUCK

without Clement, this is a terrible deal.
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We didn't get anything special but I'm glad to see Nomar go. I just wish we got Matt Clement
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Haha, yes. I really don't like Nomar.

Speaking of The Red Sox, though, did you all see The Daily Show last night? It was great. I'm REALLY gonna paraphrase here:

Jon: How do you think Kerry should handle his campaign?
Rob: He's doing good now, that's for sure. But his campaign consultants shouldn't get too cocky. Even if they keep doing this well, when they fall asleep at night, they will not be able to get rid of the feeling of impending doom.
Jon: Don't you think it's a bit too early to say things like that?
Rob: I'm from Boston, I know. You keep thinking, (gets very intense) maybe this Fall will be the one! You buy all the stuff for a victory party, you make out a guest list, you invite all your friends, then you sit there, all alone, Kerry lets Florida slip right through his legs, costing him.
Jon: That's really interesting, Rob.
Rob: Fuck the Yankees.
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Nope that wasn't the deal:

Sox: Cabrera and Mientkiewicz
Cubs: Nomar
Expos: Alex Gonzalez
Twins: Prospects


FUCK

without Clement, this is a terrible deal.
The thought is Nomar has become such a cancer, and the defense has been so horrible, improve defense and sacrafice some power.

There is also a rumor of Dave Roberts for a prospect.
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The thought is Nomar has become such a cancer, and the defense has been so horrible, improve defense and sacrafice some power.

There is also a rumor of Dave Roberts for a prospect.
Yeah it was just confirmed on NESN.. I didn't hear who they traded for him.

Edit - it was someone from the AAA team
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Phew.

I'm glad the Cubbies still got Nomar, kept Clement, and got rid of Alex Shitty Gonzalez.
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This trade is disgusting IMO
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yeah, the other part that they're saying got dropped was Clement for Lowe.

Anyway... the Sox lose hitting in Nomar but upgrade defense at 2 spots, and get better club house guys.

Also, Nomar is still resting his injury and gone in 2 months...

am I thrilled about the deal, no... there's no flashy name... but some solid players, shore up some defense.

Pitching, Defense, Speed (Roberts)... and they still have hitting... Manny, Ortiz, and others...

Plus, you didn't give up the farm system...
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OH shit. I'd rather have Clement than Cabrera.
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ya know, the more I look at this... I'm ok with it..

Nomar has been pissy, whiney... Defense has been a big problem and they just got 2 gold glovers.

Plus Roberts is a defense/speed guy... it's interesting cause all year the team has relied on trying to win 10-9, now there bringing in some defense, healthy players that can play every day...

I dunno, time will tell....
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It's gonna be so weird seeing Nomar in a Cubs uniform that's for sure
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Awesome..ANOTHER 1st basemen..just what we need

Mientkiewicz has 5 HR and 25 RBI Red Sox are one of the tops in run scores but its very missing leading, they don't score when it counts. Losing offense is going to hurt. I think this trade is garbage. Trade away one of the top shortstops in the game for some "defensive depth" give me a break.
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Nomar is my favorite player, but I can understand wanting to trade him but is this really the best we could get? I am sure he was going to walk at the end of the season anyways after the way he has been dissed all offseason plus all the shit he has been given this season aswell. I dunno about this trade at all.
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It's gonna be so weird seeing Nomar in a Cubs uniform that's for sure
Not as weird as it was seeing Nomar in this:
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Stima... they're the worst defensive team in the league (or one of) they had to do something about defense.

W/ trot done for the year or close to it, expect to see Millar play more RF, Ortiz his horrible at 1st and will stick to DH.

and yes, they hit a lot of runs when it doesn't count, but that includes nomar, he's hasn't been Mr. Clutch in a long time.

It's tough, he's always been a sox, through the minors, seeing him gone is strange, but he was gone anyway... and two gold glovers... plus the addition of Roberts speed (expect to also see him in RF).

It's not the big flashy names, but I'm ok w/ it.... we'll have to see how it plays out.

They've lost a lot of games due to errors... hopefully the defense will keep us in games now, and especially help Lowe who has struggled and is a ground ball pitcher.
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Yea McCarty could put up 5 HR and 25 RBI if he played everyday like Mientkiewicz and McCarty is known for his D

Nomar wasnt the problem on D, the problem is having shit bums like Millar playing Left field, or playing 1st base.

Sox put more "utility guys" in the outfield then any other team I have ever seen.

Since it seem pretty obvious Nomar had to go I wish we could have gotten some sort of a stellar outfielder for him. Sox don't need another SS they already have Ricky (I am assuming he will be back soon?)
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I ment Pokey...my bad

Ricky sucks lol
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Yea McCarty could put up 5 HR and 25 RBI if he played everyday like Mientkiewicz and McCarty is known for his D

Nomar wasnt the problem on D, the problem is having shit bums like Millar playing Left field, or playing 1st base.

Sox put more "utility guys" in the outfield then any other team I have ever seen.

Since it seem pretty obvious Nomar had to go I wish we could have gotten some sort of a stellar outfielder for him. Sox don't need another SS they already have Ricky (I am assuming he will be back soon?)
"Stellar OF" for a guy who is going to walk in 2months? sounds great, ain't gonna happen.

and yes, Nomar was a big part of the problem, he's always had problems at SS, and yes I'd rather see Pokey/Cabrera then Pokey/Bellhorn.

and yes, McCarty is known for his D, but Mientkiewicz is better and a better hitter.

I know, no big star names... but you weren't going to get it for a disgruntled, injured player who is going to walk in 2 months.

I won't say I "love" the deal, but I'm willing to see how it plays out, it helps depth and is helps defense... 2 gold glovers...

Time will tell, if they start droping games 3-2 and 2-1, then the argument could be made they needed nomars bat, on the other hand, the argument would be made they'd lose 5-4 and 4-3 if they still had him.
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Nomar is my favorite player, but I can understand wanting to trade him but is this really the best we could get? I am sure he was going to walk at the end of the season anyways after the way he has been dissed all offseason plus all the shit he has been given this season aswell. I dunno about this trade at all.
Exactly how I would be feeling right now if I was a Sox fan. Nomar was thier captain and he was the guy I Identified the Red Sox with. He was like Jeter to the Yanks. I just couldn't see him playing for anybody else.
 
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You guys are going to fall in love with Caberera, serously. This guy is awesome another Expos gem. Fuck me, you guys realy don't know how lucky you are. As an Expos fan, I'm pissed. Alex Gonzales? gimme a fucking break.
 
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Yeah, Caberera is the shit.
 
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This deal, is going to make me a Red Sox fan... sorta.
 
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His power numbers and average will go up. I doubt they'll be Nomar-esque, but they'll be good. Also he has speed and as long as the Sox management lets him run, he should be good for 25-30 SB's. He's good defensively too.
 
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Wow.

Good for Nomar to get out of there.
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Honestly this trade isn't that bad probably, but I am sad to see Nomar go. He has been my favorite player for a long time now...Guess I am going to have retire my #5 Garciaparra Jersey now
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Yea I liked Nomar. *Like, still do.
 
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Kind of how I felt when Pettite left this year
 
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there goes the twins chances for the pennant

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Kind of how I felt when Pettite left this year
Indeed, he's pitched so well for us over the years i was real pissed to see him go. I'm pretty vexed at Contreras going too as i'd taken quite a liking to him, but i guess getting Loaiza in return i can't really complain
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HOLY SHIT THE CUBS ARE STACKED NOW.

Nomar is a HUGE upgrade over Alex Gonzalez.


Boston got screwed. Ya they got better defence but losing a player like Nomar, who has the heart of a warrior, will definetly get them nowhere.

Nomar leaving Boston is like Jeter leaving New York

Stupid Epstein
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HOLY SHIT THE CUBS ARE STACKED NOW.

Nomar is a HUGE upgrade over Alex Gonzalez.


Boston got screwed. Ya they got better defence but losing a player like Nomar, who has the heart of a warrior, will definetly get them nowhere.

Nomar leaving Boston is like Jeter leaving New York

Stupid Epstein
Honestly, we didn't get screwed. Nomar was leaving us at the end of the year no matter what. Atleast now we got something for him. He was injured and it was announced a few days ago that he needed more days to rest his injury for the rest of the season.

Up untill this season I always saw Nomar as being part of the Red Sox but he could never get over the trade talk for A-Rod. He hasn't had the heart of a warrior lately. I am sad to see him go, he was a great guy but he is better off going some place where he feels he can by happy and we are better off getting some players for him instead of waiting for him just to leave.
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That whole A-Rod business, was so screwed up, that it ended up costing the Red Sox Nomar. I'm soooooo surprised it didn't cost you Red Sox fans Manny as well, considering they put him on unprotected waivers during the off season. Props to Manny I guess, but he's such a clueless bastard, mentally. Great player, but I think he's "door knob" smart.
 
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Multiple sources have confirmed to Boston Dirt Dogs Bob Lobel's breaking news report that former Red Sox shortstop Nomar Garciaparra went to see Red Sox trainers Jim Rowe and Chris Correnti four days ago and informed them that his tendonitis "was bothering him" and he would not be able to play in the crucial series in Minnesota. Garciaparra then added "I'll probably have to go on the DL in August to be ready for the end of the year."

After a full examination of Garciaparra's heel, the trainers concluded that Nomar was indeed fit to play, telling the disgruntled shortstop that the heel "looks fine to us."

Nomar then sat out Friday's game in Minnesota. On Saturday, when the trade opportunity with the Chicago Cubs heated back up, Red Sox CEO Larry Lucchino approached Nomar Garciaparra and informed him that there was a strong possibility that he would be moved to the Cubs by the 4:00pm deadline in the spirit of full disclosure. Lucchino then asked Garciaparra how his Achilles' injury was doing. Nomar replied "It's fine now."
Good, I'm real glad he's gone now
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Old 08-02-2004, 12:28 AM   #38
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Old 08-02-2004, 12:30 AM   #39
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That whole A-Rod business, was so screwed up, that it ended up costing the Red Sox Nomar. I'm soooooo surprised it didn't cost you Red Sox fans Manny as well, considering they put him on unprotected waivers during the off season. Props to Manny I guess, but he's such a clueless bastard, mentally. Great player, but I think he's "door knob" smart.
He treats the game like a business, he was quoted in the paper today saying something like you can't get so attacthed to one team or whatever but baseball really is just a business. I didn't really get the point of putting Manny on waviers tho..what if somebody picked him up? What the hell where the Sox going to do then?
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Well Red Sox management has been notorious for treating players like crap, so no wonder Nomar would say something like that.

I think had someone picked up Manny, they would have went back to Texas to renegotiated the A-Rod deal.
 
 
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