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Old 01-17-2017, 03:25 AM   #121
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Yeah they need to establish the "brand" whatever that might end up being. Then there's no reason they can't keep their pieces moving with trades between 205, NXT, and WWEUK. I'd be really interested in Jack Swagger coming into the UK promotion.
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Not sure where they go from here but clearly British Wrestling looks like it's in a decent place. Hopefully the beginning of something good. One concern is which talent they keep in the UK and who gets sent to NXT or 205. If they send some of the bigger names to America it could risk damaging what has been achieved so far.
Honestly, with ITV being "happy" with World of Sport and considering making it a full series, 5* Wrestling getting a UK TV deal and WCPW being live on YouTube along with RevPro & PROGRESS, UK wrestling is arguably bigger in terms of a ratio with the population than it is in America at the moment. Hopefully all these efforts stick.
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Honestly, with ITV being "happy" with World of Sport and considering making it a full series, 5* Wrestling getting a UK TV deal and WCPW being live on YouTube along with RevPro & PROGRESS, UK wrestling is arguably bigger in terms of a ratio with the population than it is in America at the moment. Hopefully all these efforts stick.
Suspect some will fall by the wayside unfortunately as these things tend to do. Cold unforgiving hand of the market etc. However hopefully some of these survive and create a solid on-going core that lasts further than just the current peak in interest.

Either way, anything which gives more people the opportunity to show what they can do and turn their hobby into something resembling a job is always a good thing.
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ICW could becoming to the WWE Network so the UK Championship can be defended while they work on starting their own UK brand.
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Cole's work on the creative black hole that is Monday Night Raw is not indicative of his actual ability as a wrestling announcer. In my opinion he was always gold on SmackDown with Tazz, JBL, Foley, etc. Move someone to Raw and start having Vince yelling in your headset and forcing lines to the audience and anybody will sound like a bad announcer.

Cole was great on this and also the Japan Network special last year.
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ICW could becoming to the WWE Network so the UK Championship can be defended while they work on starting their own UK brand.
Yeah, heard them, PROGRESS, OTT and one other that I forget are in negotiations right now. Hope the back catalogue comes with.
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ICW deal seems near final



Amount is said to be $50k a year.
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As we broke on Monday afternoon in the Elite section of PWInsider.com, the landscape of the WWE Network is expected to change as all signs are that Scotland's Insane Championship Wrestling will soon debut as programming on the WWE Network and that other promotions could follow. The belief is that ICW has a multi-year deal (depending on who is talking, the deal is believed to be 2 or 3 years) and that PROGRESS Wrestling in Great Britain and potentially others will soon follow.

The move is one that WWE has been discussing internally since last year, with the idea of adding independent wrestling material to a new tier of the WWE Network that would be available for a higher price point (believed to be $14.99) with discussions internally within WWE about everything from licensing indy content from existing television shows to paying promotions to create content. We are told feedback and viewing numbers for last weekend's the UK Championship Tournament were going to be a strong factor in determining how WWE moved forward with that plan. With the WWE Network about to hit it's three year anniversary next month, it makes sense that an announcement could be timed sometime soon.

Over the course of last weekend, the talk overseas was that WWE had all but completed a deal with Mark Dallas' Insane Championship Wrestling. The belief is that it's weekly "Fight Club" series would migrate to the WWE Network and air via VOD with disclaimers and a parental warning on the content, similar to how WWE Attitude Era material and the original ECW are featured on the Network. Fight Club currently streams on the Fite App, but the belief among many over the past week is that a deal is completed and could be announced at any point. There is no word whether the deal would also bring the company's major events, such as their annual Fear and Loathing show (which was carried via streaming platforms last year) to the WWE Network as well.

The step forward is a major one for WWE as they could not only be a content producer on the WWE Network but would take a step towards being a content distributor. All the talk of WWE being a monopoly could be shut down by WWE simply pointing to smaller promotions that they work with - and pay for - as a way to show that they are not elbowing everyone else out of the equation. Now, not only would they get to sign and groom talent but they would have the ability to curate independent wrestling by legitimizing the promotions that are streamed on their Network. The WWE connection pretty much saved WWNLive, which was slowly dying on the vine, but legitimizing it to an entirely new group of fans that discovered it and began supporting it. WWE can do that for any independent promotion it decides to showcase on their Network - and there isn't an independent promotion in existence that doesn't want the rub from WWE. WWE means the greatest potential revenue and when you are an independently funded company, it isn't often you are finding the greatest potential revenue in your coffers at the end of the month.

The deals with ICW and PROGRESS make a lot of sense from the WWE perspective. They are two distinctly different promotions that utilize a lot of the talent that appeared on the UK Championship Tournament and each have a lot of buzz of their own. While undoubtedly WWE will look to continue to run their own branded material in Great Britain - after all, Triple H himself said that the plan here was to have a weekly series out of the UK - forging deals with ICW and other promotions will give WWE partner promotions that can showcase the talents who were signed to the WWE UK contracts. WWE can easily have Tyler Bate defending his UK championship in partner promotions as they work out plans for their own weekly series on the Network.

There have been discussions of all sorts of other promotions potentially being part of the WWE Network, but the one that has been primarily discussed beyond ICW has been The UK's PROGRESS Wrestling, which is believing to be in discussions with WWE currently. What makes that interesting is the timing that PROGRESS will be making its United States debut over Wrestlemania weekend in Orlando, Florida as part of the WWNLive.com events there with a number of talents from the UK Championship tournament already announced. There are also plans for an EVOLVE vs. PROGRESS event that weekend, obviously on Flosports' streaming service.

What will also be interesting in the months to come is that PWInsider.com has heard that WWE's contracts with UK talents that appeared on the UK Championship Tournament will prevent those talents from appearing on streaming material that would be considered opposition to the WWE Network (Flosports immediately comes to mind here), so there will be changes to the UK scene because of this. We will start to see contractual obligations and promotional boundaries appear that the local UK scene did not have to deal with prior to 2017. Sure, there were always promotional rivalries but this will be an entirely different animal. There are absolutely going to be cases where Tyler Bate, for example, can no longer appear for promotion X because Promotion X is going to be streamed live. After all, WWE is not going to have their contracted talent appearing on opposing streamed events. We've seen that already. When WWE talents appear at EVOLVE, they aren't on the EVOLVE iPPV broadcasts. So, there will be talents who won't be able to appear for certain promotions beyond dark segments and that will start to change things for those promotions in terms of talents they will be willing to book and how those talents can be utilized when they are booked. So, things will be changing locally in the scene.

It's important to note that both ICW and PROGRESS have existing on demand subscription channels, so it will be interesting to see if they are maintained and continue to be updated or if WWE deals will mean the end of those platforms for either of those promotions or any others who sign up with WWE.

The other promotion that is major to the scene that has been talked about a lot when it comes to a potential WWE deal is Over the Top Wrestling in Ireland. OTT promoter Joe Cabray was in attendance at the first night of the WWE UK championship tournament, but beyond a buzz locally that a deal is imminent, we have yet to hear that there has been any actual offer. It should be noted that OTT had been working with Flosports on a per-event basis, so if they continue on with that deal, it's likely WWE contracted talents will no longer be able to appear on OTT iPPVs. The promotion - and any others that want to work with WWE - will have to weigh the positives and negatives of having access to WWE talents and the money that will come with a WWE partnership vs. the ability to remain completely independentand making money via other platforms, their own or a third party like Flosports, while also losing access to a number of talents they have been regularly using.

While there have been rumors of Rev Pro (which will be running it's own debut event in the United States as part of Wrestlecon in April), we are told that they were not part of the current discussions with WWE.

It's also important to point out that we are told by multiple sources that ITV, coming off their 12/31 two hour pilot broadcast, is currently trying to formulate what their plan is for the World of Sports revival as they have had discussions of doing a weekly series in both a one hour and a two hour format, as well as potentially doing quarterly specials. Once the financials are worked out (we are told that there is no final decision even made on where the series might air), the plan is to try and offer talents contracts for that series if and when it is officially picked up, which means that those contracts will only make things even more complicated for the UK scene. The ITV pilot led to WWE pushing their plans for the UK tournament up several months and certainly there will be talents that play two ends - WWE and ITV - against the middle to see where they can get the best possible deal.

So, the scene may be going from one where everyone could work for anyone they want to a scene riddled with obstacles due to where talents are signed, where those talents can appear, who talents can face, who they can lose to, etc. It could very easily become very complicated. That's what happens when competition arises. While it's a completely different animal on a greater scale, it reminds me a lot of the Philadelphia indy war of the early 2000s.

Over the last several years, the European scene has gone from an under-reported and underestimated source of great professional wrestling talent to becoming ground zero for one of the biggest stories as we enter 2017. What has been a golden age for the UK, Ireland, Scotland and other countries will soon evolve and change - it will be impossible to predict every move and how every ripple effect will play out, but as Bob Dylan famously sang, indeed, "times they are a-changing."
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Amount is said to be $50k a year.
$50k seems small overall considering the potential money the WWE could be making off of ICW (and other British indies) with the Network.

Then again don't know how much money ICW spends in expenses and stuff so maybe its a pretty hefty deal for them in the end.
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WWE already starting to get wrestlers pulled from indie events because of certain promotions having ties with FloSlam.

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IPW:UK, who will be airing a supershow on FloSlam live on Sunday, posted on Facebook that Pete Dunne will now face Tom Dawkins in a bonus match for the live crowd that won't be streamed on the service. Dunne had been scheduled to face Matt Riddle, who will now face Ryan Smile instead. Joseph Conners has been pulled from the show entirely.

The promotion posted, "Unfortunately in the early hours of this morning we learnt that due to contractual obligations with the WWE, certain wrestlers will be unable to appear on our FloSlam live broadcast this Sunday, namely in this instance, Pete Dunne and Joseph Conners."

In a move that seems to be related given a tweet they posted, Lucha Forever also announced that the main event of their debut show on April 17th would now be Shane Strickland vs. Travis Banks after Strickland had been scheduled to face Dunne, who will still be appearing on the show in some capacity. The promotion recently signed a deal to broadcast events on FloSlam.
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$50k seems small overall considering the potential money the WWE could be making off of ICW (and other British indies) with the Network.

Then again don't know how much money ICW spends in expenses and stuff so maybe its a pretty hefty deal for them in the end.
It's probably not a huge amount, but I think WWE is helping to get their infrastructure sorted as well. They just got super fast broadband installed a couple of days ago

The thing is, if WWE is getting multiple promotions on a similar deal, all they need is five and suddenly it's a $250,000 a year bet for three years. For the indies that are signed, I think they must feel that exposure is worth it and in lieu of a TV deal (which ICW or PROGRESS will never get unless they change their content), it's the only real way to do it.
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I also can't see many people buying the Network to get access to UK indies so I'm not surprised the initial outlay is small.
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I also can't see many people buying the Network to get access to UK indies so I'm not surprised the initial outlay is small.
Yeah, that post also states that it's $15 for the indie content instead of $9.99.

I think NXT taking off as a touring brand has forced their hand on this as it's not great for development. With these deals, they can have content with the guys they sign, have them develop naturally on the indies and have NXT be the ultimate indie fed it's turned into as a polishing ground for the main roster.

I doubt they'll make their money back directly with these deals, but it means they can start developing new talent for only $20,000 a year per wrestler and have another tier to their system and more content on the network.

Apparently this is all HHH and Vince is just signing off the costs, so we'll see if he can pull it off.
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Looks like they're already blocking dates and throwing their weight around though. Pete Dunne V Riddle is off IPW's stream and Dunne will be on the pre-show instead. Some of the contracted guys have just been pulled off of a podcast too....
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Spoke to one of the writers of my local indie as he's also a barman. They get some of the bigger names in the UK, like Jimmy Havoc is there in the Feb event, but they're really worried about this. They have no TV or streaming as they're small, but they've been growing every year so if these contracts take off and WWE aren't interested in picking them up, then what? The cream talent will be locked to these WWE deals.
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Well either way, don't tell him. I wouldn't want to make trouble for the nurses in the care home once he gets all riled up.
Huh? It's not even that bad. It's very easy to imagine that the WWE ordered a photo of those guys standing around for promotional reasons and that they took it and then went their separate ways. Don't be a douche. It's not the same as working with children or doing dick spots.

I don't really care if people like Cornette or not. I'm not his fucking keeper and he's done way too much in professional wrestling for a few backyard marks to tear down his work. But what fucking pisses me off to no end is the lack of god-damn comprehension of what he actually says.

It's incredible to me. The guy will say "The sky is blue" and people will take photos on a cloudy day and post it on his wall and say "SEE!". He criticizes Omega as a human being (actually KNOWING him, unlike most fans) and says that whilst being a great athlete the match with Okada was not a perfect match and he couldn't give a shit because fuck Kenny Omega, and the responses are "He can't even say one nice thing," "I guess you can't have Match of the Year if you made a mistake ten years ago," and "Cornette is so out of touch." None of those actually respond to the points he actually fucking made.

It's the stupidity against Cornette. I've been racking my brain trying to work out why everyone looks so fucking stupid when they hurl the straw-men out and it finally dawned on me: They sound fucking stupid because a lot of the time they are taking up a losing position right from the start because Cornette is right. It confuses people when he says something like "Sami Zayn is a good talent, but a pain in the ass to work with and couldn't understand that you don't jump through a ladder on the second match on the card because it makes the boys going on after him have to work that much harder to follow it" so they have to say things like "Cornette said Zayn likes skinning kittens and will never make it as a professional wrestler in the WWE ever because he's ginger and a Muslim."

You don't have to like Cornette -- I don't agree with him on EVERYTHING. I think Titus O'Neil should be kicked out of wrestling before Kenny Omega on the basis of being the drizzling shits, for example -- but for God's sake try and rationalize what you are saying and respond to what he actually says. Not what you imagine the tone around what he is saying could be paired with on a different day if it weren't coming from one of the best minds in professional wrestling history. The straw-men and generalizations are just annoying at this point.

"He's out of touch." No, you are off point, you fucking morons. Saying someone is "out of touch" contains no actual evidence or supportive arguments. It's like saying "The President is stupid." Okay. Why? And every single spotfest mark that is asked that question can never answer with anything other than "He's stuck in the 80's" or "Well, he doesn't like Kenny Omega, The Young Bucks, Kevin Owens or Sami Zayn." All of which have been dismissed as conclusive points.

The very best one I've heard is the ROH argument. I recommend listening to his shoot about that. He denies being the actual booker, and while that is true, it's naive to think that he didn't have pull and power. And Cornette talks as if he did anyway. But he points out a lot of the structural problems ROH faced. That being said, it was a directional change from ROH that perhaps didn't feel necessary to fans at the time. He was not the guy to run that place. He'd do much better in an NXT, which is basically Smoky Mountain Wrestling with good production value, and where the fans are marks for what they are seeing (whatever they're seeing) and not for a certain cult style.

Anyway, rant over. I just wanted to respond to the anti-intellectualism I perceive to be thrown Cornette's way -- with his big words and sentences that are hard to follow.
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These expansion plans should have short-term positive effects on the UK scene, but once the WWE cherry-picks what they want after cultivating it for a bit, it could eventually dry up and be quite barren.
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The thing with ICW and Progress is that they would never get a TV deal in a million years, because their content is aimed at adults. For them, even short term exposure is probably a bonus, but a two tiered indie scene isn't that great.
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And I mean, the president is stupid.
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Yes, but you can explain why he is stupid, surely.
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I think the evidence speaks for itself.

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Dunne vs Bate was really good stuff. Just wish Bate sold the shoulder a bit more and wasn't nailing t bone suplexes and shit but FUCK me he cold cocked Dunne with one of the best worked punches I've EVER seen.

I also hate the near fall syndrome. I honestly wish it was a touch more realistic with near falls. But that's me being nitpicky because everyone does it.
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Corny loved it. :-o

I guess he only hates people who lie to him and shit on the business.

Smokey Mountain is one of the only times he could have enough considered out of touch. He was trying to keep the old way alive. It was a great promotion though. Rus so is a piece of shit who created a real fight tournament just to shut Bradshaw up.

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He told them to stay away from video games though. Clearly he's never seen ATTACK
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I was really impressed with Pete Dunne , Wolfgang, Joseph Connors and Tyler Bate. The others were pretty good but those 4 above are the ones that i look forward to seeing more of.
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He told them to stay away from video games though. Clearly he's never seen ATTACK

Love Attack! Pro Wrestling. They do a lot of stuff near me so pretty much how I've got interested in the British Indy scene.

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I doubt anyone will be THAT bored that they'll click on that
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Think Pete Dunne is one of the owners so hope he stays involved.
Yeah, Dunne and Andrews I think.
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Meltz is saying a few of the UK guys might be in the Rumble. Good exposure for them and their UK plans.
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Thank Meltz for fucking spoiling shit again. What a dipshit this fucking goof is.
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