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Old 08-07-2017, 05:08 PM   #1
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Old 08-07-2017, 05:19 PM   #2
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No it isnt. Its not doing well at all. On any continent.
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Old 08-07-2017, 05:54 PM   #3
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No it isnt. Its not doing well at all. On any continent.
Isnt progress selling out at the Alexandra palace. I'd consider that doing really well.
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Old 08-07-2017, 06:15 PM   #4
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Isnt progress selling out at the Alexandra palace. I'd consider that doing really well.
Max capacity is 10,400. Also one night draw isnt a sustainable business model at all even if 10k gets your dick hard
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Old 08-07-2017, 06:25 PM   #5
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Max capacity is 10,400. Also one night draw isnt a sustainable business model at all even if 10k gets your dick hard
For a UK promotion to go over there and draw that crowd is pretty good going as a one off. It's a shame the UK doesn't have many of the mid-sized venues. They're stuck with a 2,700 for a place in London before having to do 15-20k seaters on the next tier up.

Would be interesting to know their subscriber numbers tbh. I started watching from Chapter 1 and it's surprisingly fucking good from both a talent and story point of view. It almost feels like it's booked with a long term vision, which is just crazy talk.
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For a UK promotion to go over there and draw that crowd is pretty good going as a one off. It's a shame the UK doesn't have many of the mid-sized venues. They're stuck with a 2,700 for a place in London before having to do 15-20k seaters on the next tier up.

Would be interesting to know their subscriber numbers tbh. I started watching from Chapter 1 and it's surprisingly fucking good from both a talent and story point of view. It almost feels like it's booked with a long term vision, which is just crazy talk.
Not to go off topic too much but so much this. It makes me incredibly happy to see how much talent has developed and grown in Progress. A big issue with indies in the us is most of them ripping off PWG instead of having guys grow in these promotions. Half of the indies right now are just Sami Callahan and friends.

It's the reason I support companies like Progress and AIW. If you look at how many guys have come through and grown in those companies, it's crazy. Why bring in 2 huge names to wrestle on your show, when you can use them to help improve younger talent.
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No it isnt. Its not doing well at all. On any continent.
In the UK it's probably the biggest it's ever been.
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No it isnt. Its not doing well at all. On any continent.
I was agreeing with him right up till that last comment.
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No it isnt. Its not doing well at all. On any continent.
Australia supposedly is in the early process of a possible UK-like revival occurring there which is why NJPW started investing there.

Asia is a bit weird since India and China are big emerging markets for wrestling but don't think they have any local promotions that are big. Japan is mixed but NJPW themselves are doing better overall than last year.

Could make the case for North America if you only look at the major promotions (AAA, CMLL, GFW/Impact, WWE) but then again a lot of those problems are directly related to management issues than actual interest in wrestling waning away.

UK itself is doing a lot better than like 5 years ago even with ITV's struggles trying to get a major wrestling show made.
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Australia supposedly is in the early process of a possible UK-like revival occurring there which is why NJPW started investing there.

Asia is a bit weird since India and China are big emerging markets for wrestling but don't think they have any local promotions that are big. Japan is mixed but NJPW themselves are doing better overall than last year.

Could make the case for North America if you only look at the major promotions (AAA, CMLL, GFW/Impact, WWE) but then again a lot of those problems are directly related to management issues than actual interest in wrestling waning away.

UK itself is doing a lot better than like 5 years ago even with ITV's struggles trying to get a major wrestling show made.
NJPW is doing...fine. but the country is not. The only promotion with solid footing is njpw everything else has gone under or is barelty afloat.

The only company stateside...or reallyt north america is WWE. no one else is doing big business. Theres some money south of the boarder and because of that id say NA is better off than the rest of the globe.

EU is dead. Yeah the UK is hot but thats absolutely it. Which is a first. Historically Germany has had money.

AU ive had some friends down that way in the past 2 years and all speak highly of it but its all indy level pay days.
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NJPW is doing...fine. but the country is not. The only promotion with solid footing is njpw everything else has gone under or is barelty afloat.

The only company stateside...or reallyt north america is WWE. no one else is doing big business. Theres some money south of the boarder and because of that id say NA is better off than the rest of the globe.

EU is dead. Yeah the UK is hot but thats absolutely it. Which is a first. Historically Germany has had money.

AU ive had some friends down that way in the past 2 years and all speak highly of it but its all indy level pay days.
I've not heard any mumbling about anything hot in AU. Maybe it is just something I don't have my ears onto, but I certainly haven't felt any buzz. Good for your friends though, I hope I hear about them soon.

Onto the other places -- hasn't this all been dispelled as myth? I mean, you pretty much covered it, Desty, but isn't the idea that New Japan is in the best position it has been in for years only really congruent when you are comparing it to years it was basically in the toilet? And everything in Japan is pretty much dead, as you said. It's not like you've got New Japan, All Japan and NOAH all striving for dominance. It's New Japan and then DDT doing crazy shit as a goof as "anti-wrestling," but I'm sure that's not exactly like All Japan '95.

This UK being hot thing though. Like, it's getting a lot of internet buzz, but is it getting any legitimate cultural buzz? Or is it just the hardcore fan leftover from the hangover of the Attitude era? I just ask because people make it sound like it's some sort of renaissance, but I just don't see the Queen attending a Progress show anytime soon. I mean, didn't World of Sport fall through because there wasn't enough interest?

Not trying to be cynical, but a legitimate question: How hot is the UK really? Or is it just fans' perspectives that it is hotter than, say, the crippled scene in Iowa by comparison?
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