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Old 10-24-2017, 07:05 AM   #641
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Asuka got over on competitive matches. Let her rip.
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Emma has been putting together a believable air of credibility for more than a few weeks now. But that's just coming from someone who is paying a lot of attention to weekly occurences.
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She was touting her unrecognized relevance well before Asuka was even mentioned on main air.
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But tune in whenever and naysay whatever you'd like. Shit is still good to me.
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Emma is good. Finally getting a bit of spotlight on the main roster too. Yeah, as the jobber bad guy, but that is better than nothing.
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Yeah, for sure...... and better Emma than Dana Brooke, because Emma can actually go and look like a legit threat.
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It would have fewer viewers than 205 live...
Maybe. Maybe not. It depends who was booking it. I think a good women's show would do better than 205 Live. On equal grounding, I agree with you. But even if it didn't do well because women don't draw or whatever, then I think it's more of a reason to get them off your bread-and-butter shows. Although you can't just scrap the women altogether because then they'll look sexist from a PR perspective (although that might actually get the girls over). This covers you from that and clears up Raw and Smackers.

You can still keep Lana, JoJo, Renee, Maria, Maryse, etc. There will be "hot women" for the dwindling teenage audience to perve on. You can even do the occasional exhibition match to promote the brand on Raw or whatever.

Anyway, as I type this there are probably plans to bring in Ronda Rousey for WrestleMania, so the women will probably draw better than anyone except Brock for Mania, making this all a bit silly.
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Old 10-24-2017, 05:18 PM   #647
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Emma is good. Finally getting a bit of spotlight on the main roster too. Yeah, as the jobber bad guy, but that is better than nothing.
I really like Emma. I think I subjectively like her more than she is objectively good. On the mic she's kind of annoying, but I like her in the ring and she looks amazing. It's not a knock on Emma when I say that Asuka should have killed her.

Emma could look like a threat, but I don't think she does look like a threat. I think Emma would have benefit from a less dominant match, because then she has something to react to. A babyface could mock her losing so quickly and then you can move into a program between them. Emma vs. Bayley or whatever. Emma could try and bring out Bayley's "dark side," because she knows what it is like to get to the main roster and finding out that all your fans have abandoned you.
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Old 10-24-2017, 05:26 PM   #648
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Instinctively my head says “seperating the women off would be awful”, then I realised watching TLC that I skipped Alicia Fox vs. Sasha Banks, and Alexa Bliss vs. Mickey James, so clearly they don’t have my interest right now anyway.

Although I also skipped both Cruiser matches, and Elias vs. Jason Jordan, and didn’t enjoy the main event so maybe I’m just not engaged in most of the product.
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Old 10-24-2017, 05:27 PM   #649
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Old 10-24-2017, 05:31 PM   #651
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I really like Emma. I think I subjectively like her more than she is objectively good. On the mic she's kind of annoying, but I like her in the ring and she looks amazing. It's not a knock on Emma when I say that Asuka should have killed her.

Emma could look like a threat, but I don't think she does look like a threat. I think Emma would have benefit from a less dominant match, because then she has something to react to. A babyface could mock her losing so quickly and then you can move into a program between them. Emma vs. Bayley or whatever. Emma could try and bring out Bayley's "dark side," because she knows what it is like to get to the main roster and finding out that all your fans have abandoned you.
I know it’s almost “too obvious” to align Emma with Peyton Royce and Billie Kay but I think I’d do it. Switch Emma to SmackDown and bring the Iconic Duo up from NXT to second her.
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No, I know that.

It’s definitely habitual at this point, and part of what keeps me watching is coming here.
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Likewise. Wrestling fandom is such a big part of my formative years, I don't want to just toss everything into the fire. I still love thinking about it and analyzing it, but god is it just so fucking bad right now, haha.

I legitimately prefer listening to podcasts about wrestling than watching actual wrestling. I will spend hours a week listening to stuff when I'm travelling, going for a walk or just unwinding at home. I spend the time on wrestling-based content; just not wrestling. Not watching wrestling is actively taking up my wrestling time.

I've tried other avenues. I bought an EVOLVE show. I can't remember which one it was. 47 or something. A whole bunch of guys were injured so SoCal Val came out with her faction -- one of the dudes was Caleb Konley -- and they did a whole bunch of unadvertised stuff. The main event was Chris Hero vs. Zack Sabre, Jr. I think. I say I think, because I didn't get that far into it. All...the fucking...matches...were the same. All of them. There was this dude who looked like he came from the trailer park. Worked indy style and did flips and kicked out of everything. The the next guys came in and did the same thing. Rich Swann took a Canadian Destroyer on the apron or something. I just zoned out. It was so fucking boring. There was no ebb and flow to the show. There were no valleys and therefore there were no peaks.

I paid money for that. It was only like $10 or whatever, but I had financial interest and they still couldn't keep me. I wasn't outraged or anything like that, I just walked off because they couldn't hold my attention.

People have suggested New Japan, but I am worried it is going to be more of the same. I don't know why, I just haven't made the financial commitment yet. But anyway, that's where my fandom is at.
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I know it’s almost “too obvious” to align Emma with Peyton Royce and Billie Kay but I think I’d do it. Switch Emma to SmackDown and bring the Iconic Duo up from NXT to second her.
It is obvious, but I understand the impulse. Emma on SmackDown would be interesting. It'd be a "fresh coat" for her anyway. I think there are legs for Peyton and Billie on the main roster and that they are two of the women that Vince and Kevin will "get," if you catch my drift.

My personal idea for Emma was to have her cosplay as Shawn Michaels with Tamina as her Diesel. For whatever reason, dudes seem to love cosplay. They also love Shawn Michaels. I mean, you don't need to say "She is HBK." But give her the hats and the glasses and the broken heart motifs. Dudes will get boners and Tamina can keep a job. I actually like her when she's not center-stage.

If the women had their own show, I'd give Emma a nice long run with some sort of Women's Intercontinental Championship. Why more belts? It gives the illusion of rank and depth. It's another toy they can market. Instead of giving everyone a turn with the Women's Title, you can keep that a little sacred. Whatever, it's just an idea.

In real WWE, I think she'd make a great career rival for Paige. I liked their stuff in NXT, and I think they kind of "fit" as a pairing. The Four Horsewomen are linked in my brain, and Paige and Emma kind of are too. You could have the Four Horsewomen running one show and Paige and Emma dominating the other. But then you've also got to plug in Alexa Bliss somewhere. And Nia Jax when they decide they want to make The Rock happy. And Nikki Bella when she decides she wants to get some screen time.
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Maybe that’s what’s kept/keeping me going; I spend very little on Wrestling.

I split the cost of the network with a friend and if WWE decided to stop you from accessing at multiple addresses I don’t think I’d resubscribe. I watch Raw/SmackDown online, I don’t buy merch, I don’t go to shows (my wife took me to a house show a couple of years ago and the 3 guys relentlessly chanting “SUPER DRAGON” was enough for me to not want to go again), I didn’t even buy the video game last year (and haven’t this year yet, and I don’t think I’ve spent my own money on it for a few years now).
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Maybe that's it. I've always spend very little on wrestling actually, haha. I would order the occasional PPV and buy the occasional video game, but I also don't buy merch and I don't go to live events even when they come here. I think spending money on other wrestling was sort of a desperation maneuver.
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I'm only saying it made sense for her match with Asuka to be a competitive one.
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I don't think it did to crowds by the sound of it. I just listened to Meltz and Alvarez talk about how her Raw debut killed crowd interest in her, and she left less over than when she walked in.
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I know she "got over" in NXT having competitive matches, but keep in mind that Tyler Breeze was also a main eventer down there. Hell, Emma mattered down there. The NXT crowd care about getting themselves and the show over, so they will cheer anyone who fits the paradigm of being funny, cool, ironic or, yes, sometimes even good. The genuinely good reactions seem to trump the others though. You can "feel" the difference between the buzz of Gargano/Ciampa vs. Revival and Dick Dickerson dicking around. There's nothing literally like that in NXT, but you know what I mean.

I don't think you can gauge how well an act will do on the main roster by how well it works in NXT. They just don't translate. One is more professional wrestling and the other is more sports entertainment. Asuka came in to NXT with instant nerd cred, was put over as a big thing and pretty had Emma and Dana Brooke running, from memory. She eventually became embedded with the long title run (I maintain that Triple H was scared of moving her up), people chasing her, and the crowd eating up everything down there. It was a very NXT act is my point. It had the benefit of a certain type of audience.

Most people who watch Raw have never really encountered her. They try to sell her as dominant. I think, that's the vibe I've gotten from all the hype around her debut. Tick, tock, she's coming to get you, basically. But she came and got punched right in the fucking face. It'd be like Arnie tripping over as the Terminator. It's Shockmaster stumbling through the wall, only less ridiculous. But it's the same principle of "this is super serious" and then it happens and it's not.

You've said you're going to tell a story of dominance with her. She needs to dominate. It's really that simple. Anything else is a break in that story and doesn't make sense, so why would anyone keep up with it? They might be able to get her over as the woman who has the most competently wrestled matches in time. But any idea that there's going to be some sort of revolution in credibility for women's wrestling with the debut of Asuka, who could do that, is sadly mistaken when she comes out and has the same match as everyone else. And because they do this with everyone except Brock no one should be surprised.
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They wrote a match that made sense, crowd took a nap.
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How could Joe from Alabama differentiate Asuka from Sasha Banks at this point? Other than Asuka is Japanese?
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I don't think it did to crowds by the sound of it. I just listened to Meltz and Alvarez talk about how her Raw debut killed crowd interest in her, and she left less over than when she walked in.
Did you watch it? Crowd seemed into it.
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I don't think it did to crowds by the sound of it. I just listened to Meltz and Alvarez talk about how her Raw debut killed crowd interest in her, and she left less over than when she walked in.
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Oh well if she said it then it must be so
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Ohhh, you said Raw. Haven't seen that yet. Watching it now. I was just talking about TLC, since this is the TLC thread.
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The problem a lot of NXT talent have getting over is that you need to be emotionally invested in them to get emotionally invested in what they're doing. It's a lot like when employers say "must have 5 years experience." Well, how am I meant to get that experience if no one will hire anyone inexperienced. Fandom for a lot of these talents on the main roster comes with "must have already been a fan." Okay then.

When you look at the talent that worked on the main roster, they basically started from scratch. The Shield wasn't an NXT gimmick. Neither was Braun Strowman. The Wyatt Family was, granted, and Bray has probably gone further than anyone else from an NXT transition. Maybe Charlotte, but she was top babyface in NXT and thrived as a heel on the main roster. Sasha was heel in NXT and now works babyface on Raw, if you want to call her a success.

The pre-packaged star doesn't work the way they think it does. And I don't know why they would expect it to considering more people watch Raw than have the Network.
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Ohhh, you said Raw. Haven't seen that yet. Watching it now. I was just talking about TLC, since this is the TLC thread.
Ah, sorry, I was just conflating all my Asuka/Emma opinions into one space.
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Did you watch it? Crowd seemed into it.
No they didnt. They went to sleep for the heat. They were into Asuka tho
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I getnit. Your dick gets hard for emma. But youre blinded by your bias.
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I so thought that Emmalina was going to be the thing for her. Once Vince and Kevin Dunn worked out that she a boner machine, it'd be push, push, push. Man, was I wrong.
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Yeah baring mass injury there is nothing for her tondo but collecg a pay check
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No they didnt. They went to sleep for the heat. They were into Asuka tho
Are you talking Raw or TLC? I'm watching Raw on the DVR RIGHT NOW and Asuka is walking to the ring. I'll let you know how it feels in a bit.
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Agreed. It sucks, too, because she shouldn't be relegated to "occasional Jobber to the Stars" status.

Then again, there's people on both brands getting that or nothing at all, at least on TV.
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Who would you push Emma harder than though?
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Yeah, the Raw match was a dead zone.
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Also, I think Emma is better than Bayley.
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I'd agree with that. I think she's better at pretty much everything actually. But Bayley has got capital in the hugging fan favorite thing even though they royally fucked that. But if they put them together and even let Emma win, I'd be down with it.
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Are you talking Raw or TLC? I'm watching Raw on the DVR RIGHT NOW and Asuka is walking to the ring. I'll let you know how it feels in a bit.
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Asuka was over. Emma was over like a fart in church
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Emma is only ironically over. Like how Curtis Axel got cheered on Raw because he's a lovable goof. She's the "odd duck out" so people occasionally make some noise for her. I don't think there's any genuine investment from anyone that isn't on the internet that thinks she's mistreated and is likely jacking off to her pictures.
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