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Old 11-06-2017, 10:07 PM   #1
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I struggle to think of people in the company who suck worse than Ryder. Titus O'Neil I'll give you.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:09 PM   #2
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:11 PM   #3
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Good call. Viktor is a lot better in the ring than Ryder though. I'll give you a wash with Konnor and the promo work though. Got no clue how Konnor has kept a job to be honest. Dude and his wife walked out on the company years back and now he's been given a cozy job despite never really showing much of anything. I'm impressed as fuck with it, to be honest.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:16 PM   #4
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I struggle to think of people in the company who suck worse than Ryder. Titus O'Neil I'll give you.
Apollo Crews
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And let's not forget, he's stuck with a tag team partner 1000000x worse than he will ever be. Plus a former tag partner, both of whom were/are the Jannetty in those pairings.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:26 PM   #5
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And let's not forget, he's stuck with a tag team partner 1000000x worse than he will ever be.
Crews sucks as a personality, but he's great bell-to-bell. Just boring as bat-shit, but so is Zack Ryder. Baron Corbin does suck, but he's better than Ryder, I think. Mojo is rough around the edges, but at least that means his shit (for bad reasons) gets laid in a lot of the time. Zack looks like he's hugging someone every time he goes for his elbow drop. One day Mojo will surpass Ryder.

Even if I did give you those names, you've gotten to 3. There are like 100 people on the roster. He's still in the bottom 10% and you're saying he deserves a main event run?
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:35 PM   #6
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Crews sucks as a personality, but he's great bell-to-bell. Just boring as bat-shit, but so is Zack Ryder. Baron Corbin does suck, but he's better than Ryder, I think. Mojo is rough around the edges, but at least that means his shit (for bad reasons) gets laid in a lot of the time. Zack looks like he's hugging someone every time he goes for his elbow drop. One day Mojo will surpass Ryder.

Even if I did give you those names, you've gotten to 3. There are like 100 people on the roster. He's still in the bottom 10% and you're saying he deserves a main event run?
4. I edited my post to include the "great" Curt Hawkins himself.

I don't feel like he's bottom 10%. Besides, we'll give someone unproven like Mahal the WWE Championship for nearly 6 months now with no build, but it's somehow beneath Vince to even give Ryder the benefit of a chance? OK then.
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4. I edited my post to include the "great" Curt Hawkins himself.

I don't feel like he's bottom 10%. Besides, we'll give someone unproven like Mahal the WWE Championship for nearly 6 months now with no build, but it's somehow beneath Vince to even give Ryder the benefit of a chance? OK then.
Who said that Curt Hawkins was "great?" I'd find a cup of cat piss more interesting. Alright, can you name 10 people that Zack Ryder is better than in the ring? Instead of just saying it, can you back it up?

I'm not pro-Jinder Mahal either, so that point is a total non-sequitur. I think Mahal is proven -- proven to be terrible. I absolutely consider giving him the WWE Title a mistake. So how does that make giving it to Ryder good?
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I'm not pro-Jinder Mahal either, so that point is a total non-sequitur. I think Mahal is proven -- proven to be terrible. I absolutely consider giving him the WWE Title a mistake. So how does that make giving it to Ryder good?
It doesn't automatically make him good, but with a proper build, I could see him being very good indeed.

My point is you can't know how good he'd be as champ without actually having the guts to make that dice roll in the first place. Sure, it could come up snake eyes, or you could roll 7.
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It doesn't automatically make him good, but with a proper build, I could see him being very good indeed.

My point is you can't know how good he'd be as champ without actually having the guts to make that dice roll in the first place. Sure, it could come up snake eyes, or you could roll 7.
No, it doesn't automatically make him good. I can't, because he's awful. That's where we fundamentally disagree on this issue. I think you could have Zack Ryder go out there for 100 weeks straight and do nothing but win and no one would really care because he's not very good.

They have a large sample of the guy's work at this point. He's been under their umbrella for 11 years at this point, and he has only had a handful of good matches at best. He did get super over at one point, but it amounted to nothing tangible because when they tried, in their own WWE way, it failed. The idea that they should put the WWE Title on the guy because they "don't know" yet is a bit silly. They know that the guy isn't up to snuff.
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