OFFICIAL Survivor Series 2017 thread

[Fignuts]

Don't understand Damninator's beef.

It's good that some finishers are protected.

You can have someone kick out of it, but save it for mania, so it's a really big moment.

[Dark One]

Originally Posted by Fignuts Don't understand Damninator's beef. It's good that some finishers are protected. You can have someone kick out of it, but save it for mania, so it's a really big moment.

Yeah, I don't really disagree, but a few noteworthy counterpoints:

1) It's a little weird because it's pretty much JUST the F5 (with a few minor exceptions), so while it does build the move up, it also tends to chip away at the guys succumbing to it at first glance.
2) If you are building up/protecting a finish, I would argue that a World Champ vs Champ match at pseudo-Wrestlemania would be a time you could get away with a kickout.
3) I don't feel like they're doing a great job of selling that the F5 is in a class of its own if they're not going to do anything with #1. Given how much they wedge shit like "the one time a year where Smackdown and Raw go head to head in competition" they should be able to verbally sell that there's a reason ain't nobody kicking outta that.

[hb2k]

Originally Posted by Dark One Yeah, I don't really disagree, but a few noteworthy counterpoints: 1) It's a little weird because it's pretty much JUST the F5 (with a few minor exceptions), so while it does build the move up, it also tends to chip away at the guys succumbing to it at first glance. 2) If you are building up/protecting a finish, I would argue that a World Champ vs Champ match at pseudo-Wrestlemania would be a time you could get away with a kickout. 3) I don't feel like they're doing a great job of selling that the F5 is in a class of its own if they're not going to do anything with #1. Given how much they wedge shit like "the one time a year where Smackdown and Raw go head to head in competition" they should be able to verbally sell that there's a reason ain't nobody kicking outta that.

This is the exception in that it's Brock, and nobody has kicked out of it in years now. It beat Goldberg at Mania.

That main event was utterly infuriating to me. With all that talent, all that potential, I was so excited to see this match. They could have done so much, so many fun and interesting cross-ups to be had, and you could have done a hell of a lot to elevate guys that need it. Instead, they line up, one after another, to lose like jabronis to set up HHH and Strowman, which they think will be huge but won't be.

This show was a real wake-up call to just how bad the dynamic of the booking has gotten at the top of the promotion. It's no wonder they're doing their lowest attendances for Raw and Smackdown in years. Absolutely abysmal booking.

[Sting Fan]

Originally Posted by hb2k This is the exception in that it's Brock, and nobody has kicked out of it in years now. It beat Goldberg at Mania. That main event was utterly infuriating to me. With all that talent, all that potential, I was so excited to see this match. They could have done so much, so many fun and interesting cross-ups to be had, and you could have done a hell of a lot to elevate guys that need it. Instead, they line up, one after another, to lose like jabronis to set up HHH and Strowman, which they think will be huge but won't be. This show was a real wake-up call to just how bad the dynamic of the booking has gotten at the top of the promotion. It's no wonder they're doing their lowest attendances for Raw and Smackdown in years. Absolutely abysmal booking.

Its bordering on being WCW post the nWo bubble. Midcard ripping it up while the main event is the drizzly shits. The guys who should be true main eventers get rolled back down to the midcard when a big show rolls around.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Originally Posted by Fignuts Don't understand Damninator's beef. It's good that some finishers are protected. You can have someone kick out of it, but save it for mania, so it's a really big moment.

Would it have killed them to have Brock pick him up one more time, like "Fuck that!" instead of going for the pin, and deliver one more, then get the pin?

Doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.