Star Wars: The Last Jedi

[Mr. JL]

I expected some answers to the basic questions that 'The Force Awakens' sparked. Instead we got bullshits and swerves.

Who is Supreme Leader Snoke? Never mind, we prematurely killed him off... just like we did with Darth Maul because that worked out great. SWERVE

I also disliked nearly everything they did to Luke Skywalker's character and what/where he been. BULLSHITS & SWERVES (They did answer some questions here but I thought they just sucked. Whoever wrote this shit should be fired).

Rey's parents sold her for booze? BULLSHITS
Where did Rey learn all her Jedi shit from without any training? CUZ POWER

Finn might as well have not been in the movie. BULLSHITS

Leia has some Jedi powers but only uses them to save herself. BULLSHITS

Han Solo's death seems like a forgotten afterthought they barely touched upon or did anything to make it stand out for the characters it would matter to.

HOPEFULLY this movie is simply a filler movie until we get to the third movie and they actually answer some of those questions without the bullshits and swerves but I doubt it because now there are too many questions to answer in just one movie without everything feeling terribly rushed, haphazardly thrown together and for them to still progress the current mess of a storyline, action and plot.

This movie should have answered some of these questions and then those answers lead us into the next movie. Instead we just got more questions, bullshit answers and if this was any franchise besides Star Wars... I don't think people would have any reason to give a fuck about the next movie.

We got Porgs though, Yay! It gives Chewbacca something to do.

But its Star Wars... people will buy it no matter what. It will make a billion dollars so just make it and take the money.

[wwe2222]

Originally Posted by Mr. JL I expected some answers to the basic questions that 'The Force Awakens' sparked. Instead we got bullshits and swerves. Who is Supreme Leader Snoke? Never mind, we prematurely killed him off... just like we did with Darth Maul because that worked out great. SWERVE I also disliked nearly everything they did to Luke Skywalker's character and what/where he been. BULLSHITS & SWERVES (They did answer some questions here but I thought they just sucked. Whoever wrote this shit should be fired). Rey's parents sold her for booze? BULLSHITS Where did Rey learn all her Jedi shit from without any training? CUZ POWER Finn might as well have not been in the movie. BULLSHITS Leia has some Jedi powers but only uses them to save herself. BULLSHITS Han Solo's death seems like a forgotten afterthought they barely touched upon or did anything to make it stand out for the characters it would matter to. HOPEFULLY this movie is simply a filler movie until we get to the third movie and they actually answer some of those questions without the bullshits and swerves but I doubt it because now there are too many questions to answer in just one movie without everything feeling terribly rushed, haphazardly thrown together and for them to still progress the current mess of a storyline, action and plot. This movie should have answered some of these questions and then those answers lead us into the next movie. Instead we just got more questions, bullshit answers and if this was any franchise besides Star Wars... I don't think people would have any reason to give a fuck about the next movie. We got Porgs though, Yay! It gives Chewbacca something to do. But its Star Wars... people will buy it no matter what. It will make a billion dollars so just make it and take the money.

Total swerve when they killed off the Emporer in Return of the Jedi. They should’ve answered all the questions about him.

[LuigiD]

Originally Posted by wwe2222 Total swerve when they killed off the Emporer in Return of the Jedi. They should’ve answered all the questions about him.

While I agree with this statement, the scenarios are not really the same.
By the time Ep. 7 came out, we had already established a much larger cinematic universe that encompassed 6 movies instead of just 3.
With the exception of the clues given to us in some of the visual guide books or newer novels, extremely little is known about how the Empire survived and managed to become the Fist Order...that is where Snoke came in.
We're told that he is ancient and very powerful, it is given the impression that he has been pulling strings for a long time. He might at some point have even communicated with Palpatine in some capacity and Snoke appears to be responsible for the survival of the Empire remnants..which became the Fist Order.

Supposedly, he led them through the uncharted space where he allowed them to re-group. All of this seems pretty significant to me, specially the ancient evil part. How long has this guy been around? has he been plotting shit all along in the common universe? maybe we will find out.

I don't think the movie is bad but it suffers from some "bad movie" elements. I am not a fan of wasted characters, in the same way that I didn't like Hicks and Newt getting killed off like they're nothing in Aliens 3.

[Destor]

Originally Posted by LuigiD While I agree with this statement, the scenarios are not really the same. By the time Ep. 7 came out, we had already established a much larger cinematic universe that encompassed 6 movies instead of just 3. With the exception of the clues given to us in some of the visual guide books or newer novels, extremely little is known about how the Empire survived and managed to become the Fist Order...that is where Snoke came in. We're told that he is ancient and very powerful, it is given the impression that he has been pulling strings for a long time. He might at some point have even communicated with Palpatine in some capacity and Snoke appears to be responsible for the survival of the Empire remnants..which became the Fist Order. Supposedly, he led them through the uncharted space where he allowed them to re-group. All of this seems pretty significant to me, specially the ancient evil part. How long has this guy been around? has he been plotting shit all along in the common universe? maybe we will find out. I don't think the movie is bad but it suffers from some "bad movie" elements. I am not a fan of wasted characters, in the same way that I didn't like Hicks and Newt getting killed off like they're nothing in Aliens 3.

The scenerios are identical. Its you that changed.

[Fignuts]

Originally Posted by Destor The scenerios are identical. Its you that changed.

The scenario being the same has nothing to do with why it's a problem for people. Yes, it's the same.

But the Emperor's presence didn't create a bunch of questions from viewers, because you had literally no knowledge whatsoever, of what took place before the movies. It was a blank slate, and you can get away with mysterious, all powerful characters, without explaining anything.

But now, there is a history, and that history creates questions about snoke's existence become harder for people to ignore.

I honestly don't think there is any point in debating this anymore though. The difference between people who are bothered by this, and the people who aren't comes down to how we watch these movies and how invested we are in the overall lore, and how that is presented in the films. Some people are going to care, some aren't.