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Old 10-16-2018, 12:37 AM   #1
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No, it's not. They're losing viewers and just got bumped to a later time slot. That's exactly my point.
As I've said TV ratings don't mran as much anymore. Its MLB playoff and Thursday Night Football season, rating isn't going to be good. I also don't think they will be back with Pop which could be a reason for the timeslot change.

No doubt that ratings have a say in something but its not the be all end all anymore. If Pop drops them and they have nowhere to go than they'd have reason to be concerned. That's a possibility but Pop has been good to them and I imagine they'll give them time to shop around. I realize the ratings are low but that doesn't mean the product is bad. People have been turned off by the company in the past but if the current administration just said the hell with it they'd already sold the company by now. They've been committed to creating their own brand with thier own identity that can work with any company including WWE.

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First time they have done that venue. What are you talking about?
No it's not. They ran it the night before. You were saying how they "sold out." Not so much for Impact.

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As I've said TV ratings don't mran as much anymore. Its MLB playoff and Thursday Night Football season, rating isn't going to be good. I also don't think they will be back with Pop which could be a reason for the timeslot change.

No doubt that ratings have a say in something but its not the be all end all anymore. If Pop drops them and they have nowhere to go than they'd have reason to be concerned. That's a possibility but Pop has been good to them and I imagine they'll give them time to shop around. I realize the ratings are low but that doesn't mean the product is bad. People have been turned off by the company in the past but if the current administration just said the hell with it they'd already sold the company by now. They've been committed to creating their own brand with thier own identity that can work with any company including WWE.

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Ratings absolutely do mean something when you're only getting <200,000 people and it causes the station to move you to a later time slot. We're not talking about WWE hovering around 2.5 and 2.4 million viewers like they did for a while there. They're continuing to slip when there's barely any meat on their bones.

I've always disliked the argument of "Well, there's something better on." That's a problem. Of course major events are going to cut into ratings a little bit, but the problem is that TNA just can't get eyeballs and can't keep the eyeballs it has on its product. Sometimes great shows aren't ratings successes, but when you've got an audience and you can't keep it, then it's not working. There's not much else to it besides that.

I'm sure everybody is working hard, and that Don Callis, Scott D'Amore and Ed Nordholm or whatever his name is do care deeply about what they're doing. But it doesn't change the fact that it's not working. I don't know what working with other companies has to do with anything. That's something, like charging for tickets, TNA should have been doing years and years ago. And they've had the opportunity and burnt bridges and burnt their audience. They're "nice guys" now, but let's see how it all transpires.
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No it's not. They ran it the night before. You were saying how they "sold out." Not so much for Impact.



Ratings absolutely do mean something when you're only getting <200,000 people and it causes the station to move you to a later time slot. We're not talking about WWE hovering around 2.5 and 2.4 million viewers like they did for a while there. They're continuing to slip when there's barely any meat on their bones.

I've always disliked the argument of "Well, there's something better on." That's a problem. Of course major events are going to cut into ratings a little bit, but the problem is that TNA just can't get eyeballs and can't keep the eyeballs it has on its product. Sometimes great shows aren't ratings successes, but when you've got an audience and you can't keep it, then it's not working. There's not much else to it besides that.

I'm sure everybody is working hard, and that Don Callis, Scott D'Amore and Ed Nordholm or whatever his name is do care deeply about what they're doing. But it doesn't change the fact that it's not working. I don't know what working with other companies has to do with anything. That's something, like charging for tickets, TNA should have been doing years and years ago. And they've had the opportunity and burnt bridges and burnt their audience. They're "nice guys" now, but let's see how it all transpires.
That's basically all I'm saying, they've started doing what they should have been doing all along. They haven't done these things in a while so actually doing it is a success. They're still the most watched promotion behind WWE. Wrestling isn't main stream and I think your standards a way too high when it comes to the current pro wrestling landscape.
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That's basically all I'm saying, they've started doing what they should have been doing all along. They haven't done these things in a while so actually doing it is a success. They're still the most watched promotion behind WWE. Wrestling isn't main stream and I think your standards a way too high when it comes to the current pro wrestling landscape.
Whoa, whoa, whoa -- that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying what they're doing is not successful. Putting my pants on to go to work should be a given. If my dick is still hanging out, it doesn't go down well at a business meeting. I actually don't know if they are the most watched promotion besides WWE, are they? I think New Japan on AXS was averaging 200,000 people in 2015. ROH is certainly beating them in attendance. I wouldn't be shocked if they are getting higher ratings. The estimation I can get is from 2015, but it has ROH at <420,000 on syndication, with 220,923 on DA, back when they chose them over TNA. I imagine their numbers have probably slipped. But this is very US-centric too. I'm sure more people watch lucha (not Underground), with a higher percentage watching Japanese promotions in Japan.

Also, if they are #2 by default, I'm not sure if that's something to be proud of, exactly, when you consider how far they've fallen as #2.

I expect too much? As in for it to be good?
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