Vince's Most Questionable moments

[Mr. JL]

Vince adding time to independent contractors contracts for injuries sustained in the workplace or freezing contracts for wrestlers who want to resign for years is more than likely going to backfire if anyone bothers to challenge it in court.

[Gerard]

Originally Posted by Mr. JL Vince adding time to independent contractors contracts for injuries sustained in the workplace or freezing contracts for wrestlers who want to resign for years is more than likely going to backfire if anyone bothers to challenge it in court.

The independent contractor thing needs taken to court and exposed for the pile of shit it is. You're exclusive to one company and you even have to ask if you can get a haircut of any significance (going long to short for example) because it would change your look vs what they have on their posters etc, yet you're "independent"? wtf.

I recall a former wwe wrestler (possibly raven, can't remember exactly) saying that if you were truly an independent contractor then technically you could hire someone else to do the match\appearances for you. It's always just been a scam for wwe to not pay pensions, health benefits etc, yet they're allowed to get away with it. Supposedly it would require someone currently under contract to take them to court over it, when it was challenged before the wrestlers concerned were out of wwe over 5 years, and there was some time constraint applied to how soon after it could be brought up in court and they were beyond that limit.

[BigCrippyZ]

Originally Posted by Gerard The independent contractor thing needs taken to court and exposed for the pile of shit it is. You're exclusive to one company and you even have to ask if you can get a haircut of any significance (going long to short for example) because it would change your look vs what they have on their posters etc, yet you're "independent"? wtf. I recall a former wwe wrestler (possibly raven, can't remember exactly) saying that if you were truly an independent contractor then technically you could hire someone else to do the match\appearances for you. It's always just been a scam for wwe to not pay pensions, health benefits etc, yet they're allowed to get away with it. Supposedly it would require someone currently under contract to take them to court over it, when it was challenged before the wrestlers concerned were out of wwe over 5 years, and there was some time constraint applied to how soon after it could be brought up in court and they were beyond that limit.

It seems that WWE really does cross the line significantly more into employee territory. WWE controls when, where, and how the talent performs, the services that WWE talent performs are personal and exclusive in nature (i.e., they are the only people who can legitimately perform as their WWE characters, and WWE typically won't let them work for other pro-wrestling employers), WWE typically has ongoing long contractual relationships with talent that last for years, it seems that WWE apparently has the right to terminate their relationship without paying money damages to the talent, etc. All of which are factors that would make most other relationships employer-employee and not independent contractors.

[Gerard]

Originally Posted by BigCrippyZ It seems that WWE really does cross the line significantly more into employee territory. WWE controls when, where, and how the talent performs, the services that WWE talent performs are personal and exclusive in nature (i.e., they are the only people who can legitimately perform as their WWE characters, and WWE typically won't let them work for other pro-wrestling employers), WWE typically has ongoing long contractual relationships with talent that last for years, it seems that WWE apparently has the right to terminate their relationship without paying money damages to the talent, etc. All of which are factors that would make most other relationships employer-employee and not independent contractors.

Yup, it just amazes me how they've been allowed to get away with this for so long, i'd love to see it challenged in court and WWE come out on the losing side. It's been the Elephant in the room for decades and it's still never really been challenged properly.