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Old 05-14-2019, 01:26 PM   #49961
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Old 05-14-2019, 02:50 PM   #49962
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Old 05-14-2019, 02:54 PM   #49963
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Old 05-14-2019, 02:55 PM   #49964
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FOX would be idiots not to have failsafes built into their contract.
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Old 05-14-2019, 04:17 PM   #49965
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Yeah, having one is what saved Destination America from the headache of having to deal with Impact and Dixie Carter for the long term.

If WWE wanted security for their show, going to FOX or any other major basic cable network was the worst option possible. FOX, NBC, ABC, and CBS are all notorious when it comes to canning or moving shows at a moments notice if they don't reach certain expectations.

The shows WWE is replacing on Fridays were averaging in the 3-4 million range and FOX still felt that was worth sacrificing to get SmackDown, which at best does in the mid 2 million range since going live.
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:00 PM   #49966
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Even with a 25% increase, they’d still only be at 2.5 million.
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:12 PM   #49967
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So in other words, Vince needs booted out on his ass, nothing but a micromanaging control freak.
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:21 PM   #49968
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:25 PM   #49969
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Is there any way Vince could get voted out? He's in his 70's making decisions on what he thinks people in their teens and twenties want to see ffs, he couldn't be more out of touch.
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:42 PM   #49970
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He'd have to sell off a majority of his voting share stock in order for that to be possible.

He's sold off a ton of stock within the past year but its been all non-voting shares in the company.
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:59 PM   #49971
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He'd have to sell off a majority of his voting share stock in order for that to be possible.

He's sold off a ton of stock within the past year but its been all non-voting shares in the company.
Pity, he lost the plot years ago.
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:02 PM   #49972
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I'm sure I've read there's a way that they can freeze his control or something of the like, but it would require a lot of work and a unified front. I'm not sure the investors in WWE know/care that much about the product to see past the green they're making from TV deals and Saudi Arabia in the moment. Look how many pulled out even though they should have known that stock is going to rise in October when those new deals kick in (at least initially).

I don't see it happening. There's too much general support/indifference to Vince running things, whether or not that is misguided at this point or not.
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:29 PM   #49973
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:35 PM   #49974
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I'm sure I've read there's a way that they can freeze his control or something of the like, but it would require a lot of work and a unified front. I'm not sure the investors in WWE know/care that much about the product to see past the green they're making from TV deals and Saudi Arabia in the moment. Look how many pulled out even though they should have known that stock is going to rise in October when those new deals kick in (at least initially).

I don't see it happening. There's too much general support/indifference to Vince running things, whether or not that is misguided at this point or not.
He can be demoted as the chairman but pretty much would need him to be involved in a mega scandal for that to happen. Even then, he'd still likely own a very sizeable ownership share of the company going by what happened to Papa John's founder after his big racism scandal.

Him and Linda own something like 85-95% of the real power in the company so even combining the power of everyone else to oust him would be meaningless unless he agrees to leave. Not even Linda plus everyone else would be enough I believe.
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Old 05-14-2019, 07:48 PM   #49975
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37 writers?!

That's way too many cooks in the kitchen if you ask me. And Dana Warrior just got brought in and she's calling the shots. Talk about having some pull.
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Old 05-14-2019, 08:00 PM   #49976
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I'm not sure I believe that call. Some of it seems very WWE, but a lot of it seems...I dunno, my fabrication detector is going off a little.
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Old 05-14-2019, 08:15 PM   #49977
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I wonder if "under no circumstances" does WWE SD go to FS1 involves Game 3 of the World Series scheduled for Friday October 25th on FOX.
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Old 05-15-2019, 12:11 AM   #49978
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I wonder if "under no circumstances" does WWE SD go to FS1 involves Game 3 of the World Series scheduled for Friday October 25th on FOX.
Moved in terms of the contract means permanent move. Yeah, it'll be on FS1 under that circumstance or another Fox option.
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Old 05-15-2019, 12:19 AM   #49979
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Weird that Ricochet has already lost clean twice on the main roster, to Robert Roode and Baron Corbin.
But is it really weird, though? Is it really bucking a trend of someone who, at one point, was arguably one of the biggest names on the indy scene to now get treated like a nobody on the WWE main roster? Pretty much seems like the inevitable fate of everyone to me.
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Old 05-15-2019, 01:39 AM   #49980
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According to PWI, Killer Kross recently asked for his release from Impact Wrestling.

Seems the whole situation revolves around Kross regretting signing a multi-year deal with Impact last year.

Kross feels he's currently being underpaid compared to his value outside of Impact and has also been upset with the direction of his career in the company.

Impact initially stood their ground against a pay raise but then offered one that was at a lower amount than Kross was asking and with none of the guarantees he also asked for (base pay and work dates).
Some new details via WrestleZone regarding Kross' current deal with Impact and Impact's pay raise offer:

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Kross does appear on IMPACT as often as some of the talent he’s looking to be paid equal to, but IMPACT’s counter was much lower than expected, which was less than half of what he was seeking. An exact number was not mentioned, but it was said to be ‘less than a NXT entry level deal’, which is normally $45,000 per year.

Wrestlezone was also told that a number of the multi-year deals—including the one Kross is locked into—currently being offered are low paying, and often see talent losing money due to travel costs associated with their appearances for the company. These deals see talent making anywhere from $250-400 per appearance, with no guaranteed minimum amount of appearances included in the deal. In addition, it was stated that while there are a number of people in the company that have guaranteed downsides and are making good money, only a couple of them are making a livable wage based on their current pay rates.

Under these deals, talent are flown to the IMPACT TV tapings / live events on basic economy level flights, and are also paying out of pocket for their own luggage, rental cars / Uber transportation and hotels. The situation was described as wrestlers ‘literally losing money’ after compensation and expenses, with several talents saying they were making as little as $3000-5000 for the year (with IMPACT, not including their independent bookings) before taxes and expenses despite being on a majority of the shows.
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Old 05-15-2019, 08:26 AM   #49981
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Old 05-15-2019, 11:02 AM   #49982
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Yeah, having one is what saved Destination America from the headache of having to deal with Impact and Dixie Carter for the long term.

If WWE wanted security for their show, going to FOX or any other major basic cable network was the worst option possible. FOX, NBC, ABC, and CBS are all notorious when it comes to canning or moving shows at a moments notice if they don't reach certain expectations.

The shows WWE is replacing on Fridays were averaging in the 3-4 million range and FOX still felt that was worth sacrificing to get SmackDown, which at best does in the mid 2 million range since going live.
and Im sorta pissed Last Man Standing got bumped to midseason for it.
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Old 05-15-2019, 11:03 AM   #49983
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Vince does not look...human anymore.
in the left picture he sorta looks like Dan Rather
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Moolah ep of Dark Side was good. Feel like Georgia Brown git advantage taken of her because she's black. Moolah screwed over Richter but I think it was similar to Montreal where she claims to not have known Moolah was under the mask but she knew. Wendi probably could have git the belt back and kept women's wrestling going into the 90s had she not taken her ball and gone home.
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The whole Wendi Richter/Moolah screwjob never made sense. Penny Mitchell was normally the Spider Lady and she looks NOTHING like Moolah physically. I don't know how she didn't know.
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The whole Wendi Richter/Moolah screwjob never made sense. Penny Mitchell was normally the Spider Lady and she looks NOTHING like Moolah physically. I don't know how she didn't know.
They showed the crowd behind her chanting "moolah" outside the ring. Even if she didn't know initially you'd think she'd have figured it out in the ring.
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I'm gonna have to watch the show tomorrow and rewatch the Moolah v Richter match.
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Wendi probably could have git the belt back and kept women's wrestling going into the 90s had she not taken her ball and gone home.
I doubt it since she'd still have to deal with Vince who was never a big fan of women's wrestling to begin with and supposedly hated having to spend valuable TV time on it.

Her contract dispute presented the opportunity Vince needed to start de-emphasizing women's wrestling in the company. Considering Moolah was also involved in the demise of the original Women's Tag belts, she helped Vince achieve his goal by the end of the 80s.
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Old 05-15-2019, 11:29 PM   #49991
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As soon as Cyndi Lauper stopped appearing, Vince stopped caring.
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As soon as Cyndi Lauper stopped appearing, Vince stopped caring.
History pretty much repeating itself again with Rousey playing the Lauper role.

Now that he doesn't have to worry about appeasing fans with Becky and history making stuff, he's right back to not giving a shit about women's wrestling in general and cramming Reigns down the throats of crowds.

For someone meant to be their next mega star, they haven't really shown it with Becky after Mania.
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I think Becky is getting more attention for the two matches at MITB than Kofi is getting
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History pretty much repeating itself again with Rousey playing the Lauper role.

Now that he doesn't have to worry about appeasing fans with Becky and history making stuff, he's right back to not giving a shit about women's wrestling in general and cramming Reigns down the throats of crowds.

For someone meant to be their next mega star, they haven't really shown it with Becky after Mania.
Because even tho she got herself over by being believable, they don't view her as a star. Her win at Mania was needed since Rousey was leaving and they likely didn't want to have the crowd shit on that ending again and drown out boos with pyro.
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I think Becky is getting more attention for the two matches at MITB than Kofi is getting
She’s a bigger star than Kofi, so she should.
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Other than Lesnar, who's a bigger star than Becky right now?
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I think Becky is getting more attention for the two matches at MITB than Kofi is getting
A lot of it is also because of both of her opponents having the ideal look Vince wants for a woman's star and the side story of Becky potentially having to defend her belts three times in one night. Also people being more worried about Vince giving one of Becky's belts to his handpick women stars than Kofi's reign being cut short.

With Kofi, he's pretty much getting pushed to the side because of Reigns taking priority and his Owens feud being rushed due to some ill timing with Bryan and Big E's injuries. On top of that, having whatever remaining focus being split because of Becky's stuff and the Wild Card nonsense.
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