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Old 07-01-2020, 04:07 PM   #2721
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Bought an MJF shirt and a DC worst town shirt with the new 20% off sale that started today. I'm accumulating AEW shirts
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Old 07-01-2020, 04:46 PM   #2722
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Old 07-01-2020, 05:01 PM   #2723
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I dont think that's going to happen since they're partnered with PWT and the shirts are printed on demand
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Old 07-01-2020, 07:39 PM   #2724
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Sky being #3 is a bit surprising but also makes sense since AEW has viewed him as a potential breakout star since he's worked the most out of everyone in SCU and has been treated pretty well overall.
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Old 07-01-2020, 08:50 PM   #2725
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Him getting his singles record padded makes me think they're priming him for a big push soon
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Old 07-02-2020, 12:57 AM   #2726
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While I do like AEW quite a bit I and truly enjoy the show much more than RAW/SD, it zooms by and is easy to watch...I do think Tony Khan needs to hire ONE writer from TV to help him w / story beats and show structure.

AEW does jump around a lot. I appreciate them always trying to stay fresh...but I do think Tony needs someone to help him have better follow thru...

Ex:
Why did it take until this week for Jungle Express to win a big tag match
When was Darby's last big victory
When was Sammy's last big victory
Where is Abaddon
Where is Ricky Starks
What happened to Scorpio Sky, he's disappeared post Jericho feud


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Old 07-02-2020, 01:08 AM   #2727
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AEW is just as bad as WWE when it comes to not making sense.
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Old 07-02-2020, 01:23 AM   #2728
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They have too many workers for one weekly two hour show.
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Old 07-02-2020, 01:30 AM   #2729
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While I do like AEW quite a bit I and truly enjoy the show much more than RAW/SD, it zooms by and is easy to watch...I do think Tony Khan needs to hire ONE writer from TV to help him w / story beats and show structure.

AEW does jump around a lot. I appreciate them always trying to stay fresh...but I do think Tony needs someone to help him have better follow thru...

Ex:
Why did it take until this week for Jungle Express to win a big tag match
When was Darby's last big victory
When was Sammy's last big victory
Where is Abaddon
Where is Ricky Starks
What happened to Scorpio Sky, he's disappeared post Jericho feud


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At least in regards to Starks and Sky, Starks wrestled on this week's episode of Dark while Sky has been mostly hanging around in Dark in recently weeks.

When they were running those series of vignettes on Sky a while ago, it did feel like they had some big plans for him but whatever it was got delayed because of the coronavirus or some other reason.

If the outside stuff involving Darby ends up tanking his chances of taking the TNT belt off of Cody, Sky would be a very good replacement since they've been slowly building up his profile on Dark in recent weeks.

AEW doesn't really need the type of writer WWE chews up on a regular basis since the stuff they are doing is pretty basic story-wise but wouldn't hurt at all to get like a managing editor on board to tighten up their creative work. Some of WWE's greatest success during the Attitude Era wasn't from writing but via the use of storyboards to keep everything in check.
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Old 07-02-2020, 01:39 AM   #2730
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I like that storyboard idea/managing editor a lot
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Old 07-02-2020, 03:07 AM   #2731
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They have too many workers for one weekly two hour show.
Some of them are even good. It's their fault they're overloaded, and the last thing they need is more content. That's such a WWE problem.
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Old 07-02-2020, 11:35 AM   #2732
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Old 07-02-2020, 11:46 AM   #2733
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Old 07-02-2020, 12:25 PM   #2734
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Old 07-02-2020, 06:07 PM   #2735
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Seems AEW might not be traveling outside of Daily's Place until possibly this October at the earliest.

Cancelled two more shows this year due to the coronavirus leaving just 6 left on their schedule this year for non-Daily's Place shows.

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In a move that was inevitable given the current state of the pandemic in the United States, AEW announced on Thursday that their Boston, MA, and Philadelphia, PA, Dynamite events will take place in 2021 instead.

The rescheduled show set for Philadelphia's Liacouras Center on July 29th (originally set for April 22nd) will now take place on Wednesday, April 7th while the Boston show at Agganis Arena on August 5th (originally set for April 15th) will now happen on Wednesday, April 21st ...

At this point, AEW still has six live dates scheduled for the duration of 2020: St. Louis, MO, (October 7th); Milwaukee, WI (October 28th); Houston, TX (November 4); Rochester, NY (November 11th); New Orleans, LA (December 2nd): and Albuquerque, NM (December 30th).
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Old 07-02-2020, 06:45 PM   #2736
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Old 07-02-2020, 07:08 PM   #2737
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Old 07-04-2020, 06:25 PM   #2738
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I would like to congratulate AEW on a near 800% increase in viewers from this time last year.
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Old 07-07-2020, 12:19 AM   #2739
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More like 650%

Or are you counting DVR viewers lol
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Old 07-07-2020, 12:28 AM   #2740
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It's going to be funny when we can congratulate them on breaking even with their audience prior to getting TV.
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I had someone try to count illegal streamers in order to defend AEW's popularity the other day.
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Archer should have won the TNT title tournament. Cody's storylines are already great and don't need to be enhanced with a title.

Meanwhile, Archer would have made a huge impact, coming in and beating the golden boy for the title. And it would have given him a built in storyline as a monster that the faces have to beat to get the title and reach the next level.

Instead Archer feels like he's just another guy on the roster.
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Would have just given more ammo to those online who have been howling for months about AEW being nothing more than just a new TNA in the sense of giving every cast-away or "reject" a major push right out of the gate.

Even Cody winning gave more ammo to those who think he's just another Triple H when that's barely true. If anything he's closer to WCW era Jeff Jarret in terms of him punching too much over his actual star power and the rest of the Elite not matching it.

Ideally Archer shouldn't have been in the tournament to begin with and instead use those weeks to build up his profile more so he becomes the first major challenger to Cody's reign.

Cody's problem is less that he won but more of his shtick has been exposed a lot from the lack of crowds since his stuff is way more character and drama based than the rest of the Elite. Same for Orange Cassidy being a lot more effective when there are crowds around than without.
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I don't understand the purpose of a TNT Title at all. The whole thing with Cody losing his right to challenge was an obvious set-up to him eventually going after the AEW Title itself. Now he's got an unnecessary mid-card title win and loss to his name by the time he does it.
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Would have just given more ammo to those online who have been howling for months about AEW being nothing more than just a new TNA in the sense of giving every cast-away or "reject" a major push right out of the gate.
So what?
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I don't understand the purpose of a TNT Title at all. The whole thing with Cody losing his right to challenge was an obvious set-up to him eventually going after the AEW Title itself. Now he's got an unnecessary mid-card title win and loss to his name by the time he does it.
Going by recent interviews, its basically AEW paying homage to the classic NWA and WCW TV title with the idea of it being more like WWE's IC belt from back in the day in terms of status. Not something strictly for the mid-card but on paper would have enough prestige to act as a stepping stone title.

Cody being the first champ and only current singles member of the Elite is meant to build up that initial prestige.
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I just wanted to put in writing that at this time I am not definitely purchasing All Out 2020. I will have to be sold. I blindly bought all of AEW's PPV's and let one fact be known, I've never regretted it. But, AEW isn't getting any less (leg) slap happy and I'm not down with Tony's presence on social media and trying to obviously "win" people over with his wrestling markdom. I really need to get of Twitter probably. AEW/WWE war is toxic and constant and also what is with the female wrestling STANS (I hate how this term is so widely used) and their devout passion that goes back to the whorey days of Lita and Trish to a complete obsession with Sasha or Bailey or Io ... god let's not even get into the Joshi fans.

I really miss looking into the audience and seeing excited children reacting like they are having the time of their life or laughing because the show is ridiculous and they know they can flip off this big bad rassler and nothing will happen to them. Or that old couple that is dressed the same as they would if they went out to dinner at a decent local restaurant. I want to see a woman there with a group of her friends that think the wrestler is hot but also love the action....

I hate markdom.

So tired of tools all wearing black shirts with EXPLOSIVE logo's, shaggy hair, and beards. I am tired of hearing wrestling fans chant their stupid chants too. The only thing that needs to be chanted is THE NAME OF THE WRESTLER, ASSHOLE, AND USA. Anything else can fuck off.
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Yeah tbh I'm kind of "over" wrestling right now. Not that I've watched new stuff for years. But even doing my nostalgia deep-dives has lost its luster as of late.

Sadly, what I've seen of AEW hasn't done much to change that. I still think it has plenty of promise with some great talents. I just wish they moved away from the Indy-riffic trash.
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I really love going into the past. I am so into everything I can get my hands on that is a good quality. I really love watching the footage saved from the International Ampitheatre in Chicago. It's magical. I want to find some high quality episodes of the the Australian World Championship Wrestling by Jim Barnett because it is a historic promotion but ultimately I know it didn't really "matter" in the big picture as a promotion so I never really have got into it.
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I can totally understand why not everyone is into AEW. I love the vast majority of what they put out, definitely see room to improve certain areas but most of what they've done has clicked for me and I've enjoyed it. Dynamite flies by for me most weeks.

To each their own. For me, AEW and NJPW's return in the last few weeks have been more than enough to scratch my wrestling itch. Plus the occasional NXT though I really haven't been big on the pandemic shows.
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Love old stuff but I wish there was new wrestling that there was anything close to as exciting. Wrestling shouldn’t just be great in retrospect. If all you have is the classics, there’s a problem.
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I really need to get of Twitter probably. AEW/WWE war is toxic and constant
I agree with this. I really don't get it. I mean I roll my eyes when Triple H will be doing an interview and say stuff like "we're not trying to compete with AEW" despite very obvious business decisions to the contrary. But again, it's a business. If I had the ability to move my show live to take market share away from a competitor, I would do it 10 times out of 10. It's a no-brainer.

But you read the comments from WWE and AEW fans on Twitter when the ratings come out every week and they all just sound like petulant children. Why can't we be happy that there are two wrestling shows on Wednesday night? If you have a preference that's great but what real value is there in actively rooting for one side to fail?
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Totally get if somebody doesn't like anything in modern wrestling and doesn't feel the desire to watch it anymore. It's unfortunate, but I get it.

What I don't get is people who'd rather the business fold entirely than accept that people enjoy watching something they don't like anymore.
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Was into AEW for a bit mainly because of Jericho, but stopped watching like a week or so before he lost the title.... I had already fallen behind and had been resorting to pretty much fast forwarding through anything that wasn't Jericho....

But not even Jericho is enough to get me to keep watching rassling these days....

I still record RAW/Smackdown/AEW every week, but pretty much delete them right away..... should probably just cancel my auto-recordings.....
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I find segments of AEW to watch but it’s mostly because of nostalgia. (Jake Roberts actually made me give a fuck about Lance Archer finally.) NOTHING WWE does interests me. Probably because they’ve used up their “second chances” and AEW hasn’t.

But I also like the fact that AEW seems to understand who to push where. Like... Darby Allin is everyone on the internet’s favorite. So he gets his moments to shine on the TV show and in the mid card. But they aren’t pushing him as a LEGIT main eventer. They’re pushing guys who seem like they can actually kick my ass as the main event guys. That’s something no other companies have figured out over the past 20 years (including WWE). 150 lb indy darlings as the focus of your show is fucking poison.
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I find segments of AEW to watch but it’s mostly because of nostalgia. (Jake Roberts actually made me give a fuck about Lance Archer finally.) NOTHING WWE does interests me. Probably because they’ve used up their “second chances” and AEW hasn’t.

But I also like the fact that AEW seems to understand who to push where. Like... Darby Allin is everyone on the internet’s favorite. So he gets his moments to shine on the TV show and in the mid card. But they aren’t pushing him as a LEGIT main eventer. They’re pushing guys who seem like they can actually kick my ass as the main event guys. That’s something no other companies have figured out over the past 20 years (including WWE). 150 lb indy darlings as the focus of your show is fucking poison.
I think the reasonable people that retain goodwill towards this promotion have that view: WWE have done their dash, AEW hasn’t. They’ve got more patience than me. I’ve seen so much bad wrestling, I don’t need any more.

But, um, do you know who is currently in a blood feud with Chris Jericho? He’s a 5’10, 161lbs indy darling, whose whole gimmick is that wrestling is bullshit and you shouldn’t try at the start. When he started getting shit in on Jericho, people actually tuned out of Jericho segments. A closing segment where he Superman Punched Jericho, and Jericho bumped himself (I say that, because it didn’t look like a reasonable transfer of kinetic energy at all) through a table got beat by NXT by an alleged 300k viewers. It did 165% of AEW’s audience.

They absolutely do the shit you say is poison. And it is poison. You just haven’t come across it yet, haha.
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I just wanted to put in writing that at this time I am not definitely purchasing All Out 2020. I will have to be sold. I blindly bought all of AEW's PPV's and let one fact be known, I've never regretted it. But, AEW isn't getting any less (leg) slap happy and I'm not down with Tony's presence on social media and trying to obviously "win" people over with his wrestling markdom. I really need to get of Twitter probably. AEW/WWE war is toxic and constant and also what is with the female wrestling STANS (I hate how this term is so widely used) and their devout passion that goes back to the whorey days of Lita and Trish to a complete obsession with Sasha or Bailey or Io ... god let's not even get into the Joshi fans.

I really miss looking into the audience and seeing excited children reacting like they are having the time of their life or laughing because the show is ridiculous and they know they can flip off this big bad rassler and nothing will happen to them. Or that old couple that is dressed the same as they would if they went out to dinner at a decent local restaurant. I want to see a woman there with a group of her friends that think the wrestler is hot but also love the action....

I hate markdom.

So tired of tools all wearing black shirts with EXPLOSIVE logo's, shaggy hair, and beards. I am tired of hearing wrestling fans chant their stupid chants too. The only thing that needs to be chanted is THE NAME OF THE WRESTLER, ASSHOLE, AND USA. Anything else can fuck off.
Excellent post. It’s the environment that wrestling has cultivated though. WWE ran off a lot of fans, now all that are left are the hardcore fans. And AEW wants to coddle them than even try to get back people who had the sense/ability to leave.

You’re not going to get that back unless promotions start to put on actually good content. Pro-wrestling shit, and not sports entertainment. That euphemism has actually become a legitimate genre because the WWE introduced their tropes and they’re so internalized that even those who say “Pfft, WWE — we’re better than that” copy.

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Totally get if somebody doesn't like anything in modern wrestling and doesn't feel the desire to watch it anymore. It's unfortunate, but I get it.

What I don't get is people who'd rather the business fold entirely than accept that people enjoy watching something they don't like anymore.
It’s the TNA argument to me. “How can people actually want a wrestling company to die?” Because while it keeps a certain amount of talent employed (debatable if they get paid), it keeps talent worth a shit in a dungeon, and pollutes the wrestling scene with bad content. If you think of wrestling as a “franchise,” it’s harder to relaunch a franchise if it’s putting out turgid content every year, year after year. Sometimes you need to scorch a forest to grow new trees.

I’m at the stage where I’m apathetic to AEW. Fuck them, I don’t care if they go away. The cunts were happy insulting my intelligence and taking the best opportunity in pro-wrestling in over two decades and wiping their jizz dicks all over it. The schadenfreude of their failure would be real. But I still love wrestling and want something good to come along. That’s why I get a stiffy at the idea of The Rock starting a company, or AEW’s disrespect of Punk making him say “hold my Pepsi.”

Wrestling is bad. People just want it to be good. The tension comes because the people who claim it is good are standing in the way of that goal. But AEW are successfully running them off, so ha. Then we’ll just be left with Vince again. Yay!
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Meltzer and Alvarez have not helped. Have they started criticizing AEW yet? Went to give Alvarez a listen and had to quit when he tried to paint NXT as WCW, whereas AEW actually has people teleporting and is a promotion where the egos have creative control.

I get why it’s important to them that AEW succeeds. As fans and business owners, they force themselves to watch WWE. That’s hell. After sitting on a cactus for 20 years, sticking your dick in a vise must feel nice. They’ve also got nerd subscribers to cater to. And AEW is a promotion kind of based on their “educational principles.” This is the son of a billionaire who has read every Observer and The Death of WCW. You can’t easily call him incompetent without pissing on your own electric fence.

But that colors opinion. There isn’t proper wrestling criticism out there in a large sense. Meltzer and Alvarez won’t call this one over for their good guys until Tony Khan is walking the streets like Orange Cassidy, and that affects online opinion. WWE = bad, AEW = good.
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Yes. They've done it several times already.

Most recent was Alvarez feeling AEW has been starting to overthink their booking for shows to the point its been hurting more than helping them.

If you want something more of the level of Cornette, PWInsider was that during the early months of the AEW vs. NXT war where almost everything AEW was doing was getting picked apart and NXT's issues were mostly ignored. That pretty much changed after a few months when the effect of WWE becoming more hands-on and the changes made to NXT started to become more of a detriment to the brand.
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