Official Raw 8/16 Thread

[Mayo]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon But SADLY, once Orton starts getting pop with the fans, I will start to not like him anymore. I'll have to pick a new guy soon. Happens all the time. Just happened with Cena.

Just start cheering for Virgil... I mean Orlando Jordan

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Sensei Of Mattitude how about a turn where Orton has Flair and Batista turn on HHH and say "fuck off", Im the World Champion.... I Run the Show! HHH turns face and battles the cocky heel Orton who continuely wins with help from Evolution (now with Edge).

Yeah but then Orton looks like a dumbass for taking a beatdown from Evo and then saying "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

I think that should have been the angle before last night. I would have had Orton act even cockier, start to separate himself from Evo (I suggested a helicopter spot that would have ruled), show him living the good life. Eventually Orton gets Evo to turn on HHH syaing he's been holding them back and Evo is all about the gold, and since HHH couldn't get the job done, he's been booted.

The way it is now, Evo looks like puppets for HHH. I mean why does Batista of Flair care if Orton is champ instead of HHH?

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by The CyNick But what successful babyface ever got over by catching a beatdown? Hogan got over because he beat everyone, and never sold anything. Austin got over by being a badass redneck who talks trash and beats everyone up including his boss. Rock got over by talking smack and of course beating on everyone. I cant think of a case where a guy was a heel, then took a major beatdown and because of that became a major babyface. Obviously Orton will have to do some work, but especially if he's going to drop the title in Sept, I think this will be a major uphill battle.

Yeah, I was just trying to think of an instance, but can't. Has anyone ever gotten kicked out of a stable before and turned face? Well Farroq did, but that was nothing cause roles were reversed there then what we have now.

Orton better not be taken out next week. They NEED to end the show w/ Orton laying out all of Evolution with a steel chair and ending it with him standing strong over all of them.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Mayo Just start cheering for Virgil... I mean Orlando Jordan

He's not going anywhere. I think Johnny Nitro is my next favorite guy. Even though he's not going anywhere soon.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Yeah, I was just trying to think of an instance, but can't. Has anyone ever gotten kicked out of a stable before and turned face? Well Farroq did, but that was nothing cause roles were reversed there then what we have now. Orton better not be taken out next week. They NEED to end the show w/ Orton laying out all of Evolution with a steel chair and ending it with him standing strong over all of them.

Yeah and they might do that, but then of course in all likelyhood in 4 weeks or whatever it is, he'll fail and lose the title.

I was trying to think of something with the NWO where a guy got beatdwn and turned face, but couldn't. The thing with the NWO is that the more they beatdown guys, the more people would cheer them. I fear the same could happen with Evo now.

All I acn say is that Orton better come up with some catch phrases quick, otherwise I think he'll be in toruble.

[RemyRed]

From all these posts I can already tell Shelton Benjamin is forgotten, and most likely will never get a major push because of it. I thought Benjamin would be in Evolution for Randy Orton, but now I'm thinkin it'll just stay as Batista, Flair, and God.

[CosaNostra]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon No way. Mark Jindrack, Garrison Cade, Maven? Hell no.. I'd go with HBK or Edge.

Say they bring HBK into the fold. Who leads the faction then? It would be interesting to see HBK accept HHH's leadership

[Dorkchop]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon They'll probably just remix it.

Evolution isn't a mystery...

[Quick1]

Originally Posted by The CyNick I was trying to think of something...but couldn't. The thing with the NWO is that the more they beatdown guys, the more people would cheer them. I fear the same could happen with Evo now.

Ummm I can name people. Shamrock , The brood, Bigshow and Test (he took out both Val and Albert. I forget if he got over).........Eugene?

[RawRocks]

For some strange reason I can see this happen in the next few weeks in this order:

1. Benoit/Eugene/William Regal vs Batista/Flair/HHH with Randy Orton as special guest referee.

Benoit still could have a bad taste in his mouth with Benoit from the previous two matches with Orton and pissed at Batista for the outside activity. Eugene and Regal will be aiming at HHH. Flair can be.. well.. just Flair and go along with the flow. Orton being a special guest referee in a six man tag after having a bad taste with Evolution and Benoit. Of course Eugene will want some of Orton after some of the things he has said about him. The match goes no contest after Orton goes nuts on Triple H. Out comes the suprise of HBK in the aftermath. HBK acts as if he is ready to beat up on a battered Triple H. Orton stand there in amazement, HBK turns around and dropkicks Orton.

2. Cena goes up 2-0 over Booker T for the US Title on Smackdown.

3. HBK rekindles friendship with HHH after calling HHH out to the ring in his return. HBK joins Evolution setting a Raw match between HBK vs Orton in a non-title match. Meanwhile HHH and Flair face Eugene and Regal in tag team action while Batista faces Benoit. Orton wins his match as HHH and Flair win by DQ thanks to Regal and the brass knuckles. Benoit and Batista get it on backstage postponing their match for a PPV.

4. Booker T wins the thrid match to bring it to 2-1 for the US Title. But the victory would be tainted with a controversial call by the ref. Cena confronts Long. Long fines Cena in an unpopular move.

5. Orton faces HBK in a non-title match on Raw with Flair at ringside for HBK and Benoit at ringside fior Orton. No contest after Orton and Flair interfere in match. Y2J and Eugene tag up with Regal at ringside against Batista and HHH.

6. Booker T wins fourth natch against Cena tio bring it 2-2. Long declares the next match to occur in a steel cage at Survivor Series.

of course I am dragging the storyline out to Survivor Series.

7. At Survivor Series, Benoit vs Batista wrestle to a DQ of Batista after Kurt Angle interferes in Benoit's match. Orton/Y2J/Eugene vs Flair/HBK/HHH go on. Evolution once again wins the tag match. Cena loses to Booker T in the steel cage match. Backstage an angry Cena bumps into low and behold... Randy Orton. The next night on Raw, Orton demands a match against Cena. Cena does the same on Smackdown. Benoit wants a piece of Angle too.

8. Cena and Benoit get traded between the brands. Setting a stable storyline through the Rumble. Benoit eventually becomes WWE Champ over JBL. While Orton retains the title to Wrestlemania. Cena eventually takes the IC over Edge and battles Evolution.

[Pegasus Crawford]

Haha. I'm sure the majority of us saw the turn coming. Sucks for Benoit.

But I let myself enjoy the moment anyway.

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Quick1 Ummm I can name people. Shamrock , The brood, Bigshow and Test (he took out both Val and Albert. I forget if he got over).........Eugene?

I dont know if that even fits what I'm talking about (a heel getting beat up then turning face). But even if they do, none of those guys were slated to headline Wrestlemania.

[Quick1]

Originally Posted by The CyNick I dont know if that even fits what I'm talking about (a heel getting beat up then turning face). But even if they do, none of those guys were slated to headline Wrestlemania.

oh I didn't know about the headlining Wrestle Mania part I thought you wetre talking about pushes

[Azriel]

I'm certain they might add a new member of Evolution, Edge would definitely be the best bet, because in many respects Evolution is the neo-Horsemen.

And LC, I would be so hurt if you abandoned Orton now, especially since you were responsible for turning a lot of us over to the Orton side. I guess then I'd have to take over as the Orton mark.

[Loose Cannon]

Nah, unless he becomes a wishy washy good guy who is a puppet of the fans then all will be good.

[Volchok]

anyone else notice when during Orton's promo last night when he said " I did what no one else could do... i beat Chris Benoit 1,2,3.. " that was a slap in the face to HHH right there..

[Pegasus Crawford]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Nah, unless he becomes a wishy washy good guy who is a puppet of the fans then all will be good.

Aren't practically all faces "wishy-washy" good guys and always a puppet of the fans?

[Quick1]

Originally Posted by EcKo 03 ComPlEX anyone else notice when during Orton's promo last night when he said " I did what no one else could do... i beat Chris Benoit 1,2,3.. " that was a slap in the face to HHH right there..

!? Orton must not go to house shows.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Pegasus Crawford Aren't practically all faces "wishy-washy" good guys and always a puppet of the fans?

No, they are not. Hate that smiley. Austin, Hall, Taker, Jake Roberts etc..... didn't go out there and say they loved the fans and they do it for the fans like your Hulk Hogans, Stings or your Rocks. And Cena right now. They still kept there bad ass attitude with them.

[RemyRed]

Well I was right, Eddie's back in the midcard feuding with Luther Reigns. Oh well, it was a good run but, time to get pushed backwards.

BTW- Great to see the spamming cleaned up so quickly

[Flagg77]

I for one hope that Evolution remains a trio. It fits the term of the word "Evolution" better anyway.

I think bringing in someone new would just dilute them. Big deal they beat down Orton and kicked him out, isn't that the idea of evolution? Adaptation. Plus it is just HHH showing that he can't live without Belty

It's just funny that just when I start to actually give credence to Evolution (when was the last time either one of them won cleanly: save for SS? ) and give respect to Batista and Orton they split.

[Quick1]

and now they won't take up so many stables in the new smack down game.

[Flagg77]

lol yeah I just deleted those last night!

[The CyNick]

Originally Posted by Flagg77 I for one hope that Evolution remains a trio. It fits the term of the word "Evolution" better anyway. I think bringing in someone new would just dilute them. Big deal they beat down Orton and kicked him out, isn't that the idea of evolution? Adaptation. Plus it is just HHH showing that he can't live without Belty It's just funny that just when I start to actually give credence to Evolution (when was the last time either one of them won cleanly: save for SS? ) and give respect to Batista and Orton they split.

The problem is that they hurt Orton's big night. Monday should have been all about making Randy the next big superstar on RAW, instead it was Chapter 7,865,999 of the Triple H is dominant over the roster book.

It also made Evo look weak because essentially what they said by beating on Orton was that the group is just there to serve HHH not to succeed on their own. IMO thats a step backwards.

[Loose Cannon]

BTW: Ortan's expression on his face when Trips gave the thumbs down was priceless. I swear Ortan may be the best guy at doing improvised (sp) expressions in wrestling today.

[RGWhat316]

You know, I want to give credit to JR and King. I know they get made fun of all the time. But they kept quiet for most of the whole beatdown and just let it happen. Then at the end JR said "Is Evolution really the solution?"

[Volchok]

yeah it was a real serious moment...

[Lara Emily]

Well if Orton does drop the title to HHH at Unforgiven, it definitely makes Benoit look like a more important champion in retrospect. I mean as it is Benoit is the only one to have a title reign that didn't end in HHH getting it back. Was it a good reign not really but it's probably the best one can get during the HHH era