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Old 07-22-2021, 04:40 PM   #5361
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They couldn't beat Raw with actual fans?
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Old 07-22-2021, 04:47 PM   #5364
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Old 07-22-2021, 04:50 PM   #5366
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AEW needs to have guys who look like Greg The Hammer Valentine doing matches with lots of punches and chin locks to capture the younger demo
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10 million would be great. But let’s start with properly growing an audience and not running them off. We’ve gone from 1.4 million opposed to celebrating 1.15 million on their own with a natural hot-shot behind them. That’s just because they’ve climbed out of a hole they dug for themselves.

When you’re not beating the average for Raw — a shitty, three-hour dinosaur — what claim do you have to being some hot alternative? You’ve actually got to be catching on to do that. Let’s see if they can build on this surge of people checking out their product again. They’ve got more foot traffic than usual at the moment — doesn’t mean they think the show is good.

If Raw managed to climb back up to 2 million, would people defend it? Of course not. And it’s not necessarily a reflection of quality. And they’d hold it up against where it’s fallen from — 3 million or 4 million people. I’m not going to let AEW diehards forget the buzz this promotion has never delivered on.
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That would be awful. But people have to go to weird places when responding to the criticism AEW gets.
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Old 07-22-2021, 06:02 PM   #5370
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Old 07-22-2021, 07:19 PM   #5372
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They’re not the #1 show on cable by any metric other than an archaic measure of demographic. They do not get the most ad revenue. They are not the most watched (not by a long shot). But hey, when one company bullshits it’s okay.
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That would be awful.
Fuck you, no it wouldn’t.
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Old 07-22-2021, 09:13 PM   #5378
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LOL I like how there are about 10 different ratings broken down by Nielsen, and AEW just ignores 9 of them and declares themselves number 1 overall.

Its cool, ignore 90% of the data. That is how data works, you pick the small part that you find favorable and represent that as the full truth.
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Old 07-22-2021, 10:42 PM   #5380
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I feel like there's not really any reason to invest in NXT personally. I used to watch every Takeover and have attended a few as well, but it's too many times of 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, thrice, etc shame on me'

It seems pointless to me to watch NXT and get invested in anyone because when you do and they get called up to the main roster, it's a 90% 'shit the bed' ratio of Vince ignoring or taking away everything that made them work in NXT. There really haven't been very successful callups in a while at this point.
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Old 07-22-2021, 10:55 PM   #5382
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I have a feeling that Rampage might hurt Dynamite's ratings maybe due to oversaturation... Feels perfect right now with just 2 hours a week but we'll see I guess
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I can't see myself watching Rampage tbh...that month of Dynamite on Fridays was rough...Friday just seems like a bad night (to me) for wrestling on tv...no offense to brand blue...
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I feel like I'll watch the first two or three episodes of Rampage to see what it's about, but I don't really want to commit to another weekly show.

Watched a handful of Dark episodes before I fell behind and never bothered to go back. I've never seen Elevation.

I get enough of a fix with two hours of Dynamite.
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I wonder if a lot of people will feel like two shows a week is too much to keep up with, then feel like they are "behind" on the storylines and stuff and just stop watching Dynamite also
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I do worry another hour of TV might be too much, but if they’re signing Punk and Danielson, that just adds to an already top heavy roster and they could prob use another hour to get other guys TV time
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AEW should reconsider having two separate rosters. Does anyone watch the Dark shows on Youtube?
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Two rosters is an awful idea. And Dark seems to get around 200-300k views per episode. Which is a lot more than I thought they’d get.
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Old 07-23-2021, 08:41 AM   #5389
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Two rosters would be death for me. I don't mind the Friday night show yet, just hopeful that they make it worth while and that it doesn't devolve to a b show over time. Like when Heat debuted it was a great show for like two months and then turned to a b show. Since they are doing Rampage only tapings sometimes I'm expecting it to be pretty good. Plus AEW has a huge roster right now and they could definitely use some more air time for the guys.
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An AEW roster split is something I'd do in my EWR game because it's a pain in the balls to have a huge roster and only one weekly 2-hour show to work with. Makes it easier for me to split the roster and run cohesive stories on each show. Hell I even did a Nitro/Thunder split on an old WCW 1998 game I was running. Just helped my sanity a bit for booklng.

But it's a video game world where oversaturation doesn't exist. No interest in seeing two rosters in real life AEW.
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I never do split rosters in TEW. I just hate the concept since in my opinion it's been bad for WWE and diluted the titles which at one point were much more important to kayfabe and the fandom of WWE than they are now.

Still having to explain why there is a champion of WWE and a Champion of the Universe to non hardcore fans is embarrassing.
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I've been reading Ringside news a lot the past few months for news. It is like a crack website that always has new posts but over half of them are just recaps from tweets and really bad wrestling reporting, but still it's constant wrestling content. Anyway, they keep posting things that Mark Henry says on his podcast or radio show. I'm already over him. I can't stand when he's saying what AEW should be doing to be better. Mark Henry had a collective of about two or three years in a 20+ year career that were even watchable. Yes one epic promo and one good run near the top. Still even then he was a 2nd tier main event talent. Longevity doesn't equal talent, Mark Henry is pissing me off. He apparently said AEW needs to do more media and community outreach. How many promotions and fundraisers has AEW already done and promoted on TV for multiple causes? Troops, Trans, Gay, Disabled etc... I'm pretty sure they are well ahead of the curve on outreach and fundraising for good causes. Really find his sense of expertise annoying.
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I never do split rosters in TEW. I just hate the concept since in my opinion it's been bad for WWE and diluted the titles which at one point were much more important to kayfabe and the fandom of WWE than they are now.

Still having to explain why there is a champion of WWE and a Champion of the Universe to non hardcore fans is embarrassing.
Generally when I split rosters I end up making all the champions float between shows. Doesn't necessarily mean every champion appears on both shows. There might be a span of a month or two where the World champ is primarily feuding with someone on SmackDown and the IC champ is making most of his appearances feuding with someone on Raw, but the US champ is appearing on both shows doing open challenges or whatever until he gets his next actual feud.

Gives me some flexibility to move people around but having everyone else locked in to a brand at the time just allows me to feature more people and get more people into stories.

Brand exclusive titles are death though. For a time I didn't mind them but now after years and years of it you just realize now that everyone and their brother has held a title at some point because there are 25 of them in the company.
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Old 07-23-2021, 09:39 AM   #5394
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I've been reading Ringside news a lot the past few months for news. It is like a crack website that always has new posts but over half of them are just recaps from tweets and really bad wrestling reporting, but still it's constant wrestling content. Anyway, they keep posting things that Mark Henry says on his podcast or radio show. I'm already over him. I can't stand when he's saying what AEW should be doing to be better. Mark Henry had a collective of about two or three years in a 20+ year career that were even watchable. Yes one epic promo and one good run near the top. Still even then he was a 2nd tier main event talent. Longevity doesn't equal talent, Mark Henry is pissing me off. He apparently said AEW needs to do more media and community outreach. How many promotions and fundraisers has AEW already done and promoted on TV for multiple causes? Troops, Trans, Gay, Disabled etc... I'm pretty sure they are well ahead of the curve on outreach and fundraising for good causes. Really find his sense of expertise annoying.

How many has AEW done vs how many has the general public (those who DON'T listen to podcasts or wrestling crack website) know about? I am a very casual viewer and I couldn't tell you a single benefit they've done. That is the type of outreach they need, to where even the casual or non-wrestling fan knows about their actions.


He isn't wrong in that they need more media outreach. They have a decent talent pool but they need more recognition. It's been discussed here before, but with the juggernaut that is WWE, no other name is really known nor considered "major league" in pro-wrestling outside of WWE.





Much like Impact, who even Hulk Hogan couldn't help, they need more brand recognition. They need to first make up their mind on their presentation of "super serious sports-based wrestling" or "same ole carny shit". Once they can actually pick their lane, they can build their foundation a bit more. None of this is underselling their successes they've had thus far. As young as they are for a fed, they are doing well. The next 2-3 years will define their long-term success in my opinion.
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As far as examples of do good outreach the biggest would probably be Fight for the Fallen which is a show where proceeds go to Wounded Warrior Project, often they sell special t-shirts with rainbow themes where a portion of proceeds go to gay/trans organizations and Excalibur promotes that at least one per show. They do super inclusive ticket outreach for people with disabilities specifically kids. Also raising awareness on black and Latino police brutality in an angle with Konnan and Tully most recently.

As far as media awareness of the company I think that they are working on that with Cody and Brandi especially,doing their new reality show as well as The Go Big Show. But more stuff like that will take time.

Ultimately like you said it will take a few more years for AEW to be thought of when people think of wrestling. Overall none of this affects me and my fandom of the product. I am just critical of Mark Henry going on a radio show and critiquing the company he works for instead of having a conversation with his boss which I think would be more affective.
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"in an angle" is not a good way to reach a wide-base. In an angle will reach those who are already watching.


Lots of assuming to believe he hasn't already talked with his boss. I'm sure he has given X amount of suggestions. As with most things, while there are a TON of ideas, only very few are actually "good" and "best for business". At least he is talking about it, and free to do so without risking his employment.
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