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Old 10-07-2021, 01:31 PM   #241
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I'll be honest. I'm one of the marks annoyed by the glut of WWE signings. But it isn't really them picking these guys up that bothers me; it's that they are pushing so much of their homegrown talent to the side for them.

When they started up and were promising to build their own stars, use different people and not be WWE I was super hyped. That's what I wanted; something different. I want the fresher, younger people to get more of the spotlight. It's still a good show, great at times. I still enjoy watching it. But every week it seems like I'm seeing the fresh faces less and the old WWE faces more.
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Old 10-07-2021, 01:49 PM   #242
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Is Orange Cassidy still super popular? I haven't read anything about him in a long time. He reminds me of the Dalton Castle craze circa 2015. I've also never seen the show so I could just be talking out of my ass.
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Old 10-07-2021, 01:53 PM   #243
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I think they're doing a great job blending both worlds. Most of the WWE names they've brought in have made sense and have added value to the product.

I don't get the sense that the "AEW originals" that were actually good have been shunted to the side. You still get plenty of Jungle Boy, Luchasaurus, Sammy, MJF, Darby, OC etc on programming. And now Hangman's back and will undoubtedly be a major player, probably the next world champ.

The AEW originals that "lost their spot" are people like Joey Janela who has been relegated to Dark for the most part, or Kip Sabian who was hurt and they've not given any indication he'll be doing anything when he's back. Would I rather see Joey Janela and Kip Sabian or Adam Cole and Christian Cage? Pretty easy call.
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Old 10-07-2021, 01:53 PM   #244
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Every Bobby Fish means that there is a difference between hiring WWE/NXT names because they are "slightly known" or are friends with people there..... and hiring a legit star like Bryan or Punk (and Christian ) with whom, yes, you should absolutely be pushing people aside for them and not think twice or feel bad about it.
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Old 10-07-2021, 02:44 PM   #245
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Is Orange Cassidy still super popular? I haven't read anything about him in a long time. He reminds me of the Dalton Castle craze circa 2015. I've also never seen the show so I could just be talking out of my ass.
He hasn't had a major push since the PPV back in the spring where he fought for the World Championship. He always gets a great reaction from the crowd though, I don't think he can be called a "one hit wonder" just yet.
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Old 10-07-2021, 02:49 PM   #246
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I don't know or care about Bobby Fish but he was a good fit from what I can tell. He was always injured anytime I remember seeing him in NXT.

AEW certainly maintaining consistency in pushing Jungle Boy, Darby, MJF and Sammy Guevara. I guess Team Taz seems to be in a bit of a rut. Nothing moving big time for Hobbs for my money, Starks is good but I have soured a bit on him and Cage just isn't that good.
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All I have seen from Sammy Guevara has not been that good either.....
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Old 10-07-2021, 03:08 PM   #248
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i love sammy but he's still got a LONG way to go on the mic. feels so unnatural even on his vlog most of the time when he should come across more natural than anywhere else.
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The powerbomb was way worse.
I’ll take your word for it. It’s just one step forward, two steps back with this sort of shit. JR sounds bored calling this.
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Old 10-08-2021, 04:06 AM   #250
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I really liked the way they have handled the Dark Order, we got the resolution to the break up stuff last week without dragging on Cowboy which I’m sure was tempting.

They didn’t sully cowboys win with Dark order. In typical AEW fashion I expect to see some interactions still but they both got there “moment” independent of one another.

I know people see stables not always protecting one another as being a plot hole but I like it. Shit happens and your mates aren’t always waiting in the back to help out.

Really impresses Rampage matters still to.
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Old 10-08-2021, 04:09 AM   #251
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Oh I also love the idea of a mid card women’s title, takes so much less (wo)manpower to maintain than a women’s tag division and of booked right will end the whole champion or dead to the world scenario most women’s titles seem to have.

Didn’t dig Baker burying the belt but I feel like there’s an angle there so will let that ride a bit yet.
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Love Bobby Fish. Always loved his look.
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Old 10-08-2021, 10:45 AM   #253
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Every Bobby Fish means that there is a difference between hiring WWE/NXT names because they are "slightly known" or are friends with people there..... and hiring a legit star like Bryan or Punk (and Christian ) with whom, yes, you should absolutely be pushing people aside for them and not think twice or feel bad about it.

I didn't know they were "friends" or whatever and I don't care. If he does good shit, then great. Otherwise, he'll get lost in the shuffle. Not every single person is going to be a "legit star", certainly not Blue Dot Boy, but a variety I feel, is important.


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All I have seen from Sammy Guevara has not been that good either.....

Same. Him being the one to dethrone Miro makes zero fucking sense. Feels reminiscent of the cena/rusev WM debacle where the Rusev character was basically killed off, as he was never the same again.


Miro should not have lost, and he should beat the SHIT out of Guevara in a convincing fashion. This is where CJ Perry will come in down the road, as a valet who distracts opponents and gets Miro more heat.
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I'll be honest. I'm one of the marks annoyed by the glut of WWE signings. But it isn't really them picking these guys up that bothers me; it's that they are pushing so much of their homegrown talent to the side for them.

When they started up and were promising to build their own stars, use different people and not be WWE I was super hyped. That's what I wanted; something different. I want the fresher, younger people to get more of the spotlight. It's still a good show, great at times. I still enjoy watching it. But every week it seems like I'm seeing the fresh faces less and the old WWE faces more.
Not one champ is former WWE. I don’t get the argument at all. Just put out the best show no? The guys they get are quality anyways. They aren’t grabbing Mojo Rawley and No Way Jose…
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Old 10-08-2021, 03:18 PM   #255
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The one homegrown guy they’ve made a point in featuring and building to get the fan base behind just one a world title opportunity in a match he most likely to win, capping off a 2 year story.

Their women’s champ is the woman they choose from the get go to be the face of the division.

Their tag champs are from Mexico.

And the next women’s champ is either Rosa or Jade. And I’m leaving heavily to Jade.

They’ve used WWE talent really well but they’re not steamrolling the whole company with them.
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Old 10-08-2021, 03:22 PM   #256
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I’ve also never gotten why it’s a big deal to push guys with name recognition from another company. I’d feel different if it was wcw and the top guys we’re holding everybody down and not building new stars. AEW isn’t doing that.
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I say sign and push the best guys for the job regardless of whether they’re ex-WWE or not. It’s ridiculous to worry about that. It’s like a pro sports team signing a top free agent and complaining that they’re getting too much playing time because they weren’t drafted to the team.

It takes time to truly build a star organically. Nothing wrong with using existing stars while trying to build new ones.
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I say sign and push the best guys for the job regardless of whether they’re ex-WWE or not. It’s ridiculous to worry about that. It’s like a pro sports team signing a top free agent and complaining that they’re getting too much playing time because they weren’t drafted to the team.

It takes time to truly build a star organically. Nothing wrong with using existing stars while trying to build new ones.
Sure, that would be great. But people point it out when you start hiring Matt Hardy, Chavo Guerrero and Bobby Fish.
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Are any of those guys being pushed hard?

If they have value to a roster, sign them. Not signing them just because they worked for WWE would be fucking stupid.
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I say sign and push the best guys for the job regardless of whether they’re ex-WWE or not. It’s ridiculous to worry about that. It’s like a pro sports team signing a top free agent and complaining that they’re getting too much playing time because they weren’t drafted to the team.

It takes time to truly build a star organically. Nothing wrong with using existing stars while trying to build new ones.
This is 100% accurate
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Are any of those guys being pushed hard?

If they have value to a roster, sign them. Not signing them just because they worked for WWE would be fucking stupid.
No one says this though. It’s a straw-man argument. Of course not signing individuals with value would be fucking stupid. But they’ve got Shawn Spears in an alleged top heel faction, Matt Hardy manages three different tag teams, Chavo Guerrero was managing a guy brought in to be a top heel.

No one is saying don’t hire talented people who become free agents. That’s an easy position to stand against. It’s the value add of the guys being questioned and how they fit into an already bloated roster.
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Well they aren’t perfect. Not a huge Spears guy but they gave him a shot, it’s been fine. Matt Hardy stinks and he can get off my TV. Love Bobby Fish.
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Old 10-08-2021, 09:09 PM   #264
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All companies make mistakes, even at their height. Especially new ones.
I don’t disagree, but I think there is a difference in making avoidable mistakes and unavoidable mistakes — or at least minor ones. And I’m not saying Bobby Fish is a huge mistake or anything. It just adds up when a bunch of cast-offs who are either past it, haven’t been anything, or don’t really have the potential to be anything come in and add to the glut of things.

I’m actually all for AEW signing a bunch of people. They’ve got the money to justify it. But my issue is with the natural selection process. I’d rather have Bobby Fish than Jack Evans. But you’ve now got Bobby Fish and Jack Evans. And there are only so many guys you can emphasise before you start taking emphasis away from shit that should really matter.

And it all adds up as an impression in people’s heads. There’s a reason people are saying “Not another guy.” It’s becoming a pattern of making a deal out of things that make them happy to take anything. It’s reasonable, but it doesn’t even have to be for people to go “Eh. That underwhelms me.”
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Old 10-09-2021, 02:40 AM   #265
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I say sign and push the best guys for the job regardless of whether they’re ex-WWE or not. It’s ridiculous to worry about that. It’s like a pro sports team signing a top free agent and complaining that they’re getting too much playing time because they weren’t drafted to the team.

It takes time to truly build a star organically. Nothing wrong with using existing stars while trying to build new ones.
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Sure, that would be great. But people point it out when you start hiring Matt Hardy, Chavo Guerrero and Bobby Fish.
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Are any of those guys being pushed hard?

If they have value to a roster, sign them. Not signing them just because they worked for WWE would be fucking stupid.
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No one says this though. It’s a straw-man argument.
Jesus Christ, you are the fucking worst.
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Old 10-09-2021, 09:05 AM   #266
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I'd think it'd be hard to sign any "known" names who AREN'T former WWE...... seeing as how they were the only show in town forever and a day.


That will be any the biggest hurdle of any org. "They aren't WWE" is what the casual, non-viewer would say who MIGHT know what wrestling actually is.
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I will agree… roster is bloated for sure. Would also get rid of AEW Dark or Dark Elevation. Maybe both.

Matt Hardy
Joey Janela
Sonny Kiss
Aaron Solo
TH2
Gunn Club
Lee Johnson
Shawn Dean
Fuego De Sol
Kip Sabian
Matt Hardy
Chaos Project
Sydal Brothers
Peter Avalon
QT Marshall
Leva Bates
Alex Marvez

Cut all of them. I like some of them but guys got to go.
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Jesus Christ, you are the fucking worst.
Huh? It’s a valid fucking point, dude. Matt Hardy is all over their show. Chavo was the manager of one of their alleged top heels for a few weeks there. That’s pushing losers. Why would you have some of these guys at all in 2021?

And who is saying don’t take top talent from WWE? They’re just saying don’t take everybody, even if they suck or don’t make a difference. You’re sage wisdom of “sign good guys” isn’t the argument people are having.
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I will agree… roster is bloated for sure. Would also get rid of AEW Dark or Dark Elevation. Maybe both.

Matt Hardy
Joey Janela
Sonny Kiss
Aaron Solo
TH2
Gunn Club
Lee Johnson
Shawn Dean
Fuego De Sol
Kip Sabian
Matt Hardy
Chaos Project
Sydal Brothers
Peter Avalon
QT Marshall
Leva Bates
Alex Marvez

Cut all of them. I like some of them but guys got to go.
That’s a good list.
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Huh? It’s a valid fucking point, dude. Matt Hardy is all over their show. Chavo was the manager of one of their alleged top heels for a few weeks there. That’s pushing losers.
OMG they used Chavo Guerrero as a manager for a top heel!?! WHAT A PUSH!!!
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Matt Hardy has had zero main event feuds and his highest profile program was with Sammy Guevara. And now he’s managing jobber teams. WHAT A PUSH WOW
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Think of all the young talent being held back by these ex-WWE stars getting huge manager pushes.
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Can’t bury would be home grown guys by letting Hardy manage such hot acts as *checks notes* the hybrid 2 and private party?
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And Chavo Guerrero managing Andrade for a few weeks will certainly go down as the beginning of the end. He’ll be world champion soon enough.
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Old 10-10-2021, 09:22 AM   #275
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TPWW re-acquires Droford in exchange for Reddit getting Noid
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Taking the absolute biggest break from wrestling that I ever have in my life. It was probably the thing I loved most. People don’t get it and say “wah, wah, wah — don’t watch then.” Well, it’s finally happening. Fuck wrestling.

Fuck AEW.
Fuck WWE.
Fuck the NWA.
Fuck New Japan.
Fuck classic wrestling.

It’s been easier than I suspect. I’ve checked the news a couple of times and listened to some Cornette YouTube clips (not his full show, I’m even off criticism of wrestling). I think I might be properly done soon.

Thanks for the memories, wrestling. You got me through some weird times growing up. But it’s time I realized you haven’t been good to me in a long, long time. Fuck off and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

The WWE surely gets a lot of the blame, but AEW was it for me. I just can’t. The self-indulgent disregard of there being any sort of art to this. The complete waste of potential. I went from being optimistic about wrestling to seeing so clearly that this is not going to be something a reasonable person can enjoy in record time.

So a special big fuck you to AEW for that. And also fuck TPWW for housing some of the most insecure and gormless little marks. I was right when I said WWE sucked way back, and I am right when I say AEW sucks right now.

I’m off to read some books or something.
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I have taken the absolute biggest break from watching wrestling ever. Can’t remember the last show I actually watched. Probably highlights from SmackDown or something. I watched an individual clip from Dynamite, which was an awkward promo between Omega and Danielson where they kept saying “shit.”

Not very good anymore. And it doesn’t seem to be getting better.

And with all that, I’m still one of the most valuable posters here. Keeping the job squad in line and making sure people’s bad takes don’t get past without a scalding.
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Noid sounds like trump banging the drum for the old days but never actually says what he likes about the old days. Instead he just bitches about the present and tells everybody they’re wrong about a product he doesn’t watch and says he hates but can’t stop talking about.
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I'd say Noid is more like a stereotypical environmental activist. Right in most of what he actually says, but comes off too aggressive, argumentative, and preachy, leading people to just want to argue and confront him back.

Destor says a lot of the same stuff but he does so in a chill laid back "just the facts" manner so people don't really pick fights with him.
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OMG they used Chavo Guerrero as a manager for a top heel!?! WHAT A PUSH!!!
Yeah, being a top heel manager is a push. Why would you think it isn’t?
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Think of all the young talent being held back by these ex-WWE stars getting huge manager pushes.
Yeah, it’s annoying as hell to some people who are sick of washed up WWE guys getting signed. That’s what they’re saying. No one sensible is saying don’t bring in Bryan Danielson. And no one is suggesting they shouldn’t hire a guy like Paul Heyman if he becomes available as a manager, lol.

“I say take great talent wherever they come from,” is not some sage point, dude. It’s “no shit.”
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