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Old 02-15-2022, 10:57 PM   #121
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I'm going to say my primary stance on this hasn't changed since a month ago: I'll believe it when I see it.

But, if Cody really is gone. If Cody has decided to leave AEW, that does a lot of damage to the promotion in ways that don't involve wrestling. As in, I see Twitter meltdowns becoming more and more common. As in, I see maybe 3 people on the regular roster who can credibly fill the role of company cheerleader and spokesman: Paul Wight, Bryan Danielson, and Mark Henry. Everyone else either can't do it or really shouldn't do it. Nobody has the gumption to go for that next level. Except maybe Konnan.
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Old 02-15-2022, 11:00 PM   #122
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i mean his aesthetic improved 50 fold
The first time I saw him blonde was the first time I thought he looked like a star.
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Old 02-15-2022, 11:01 PM   #123
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Hoping Jake Hager and Shawn Spears leave AEW next...
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Maybe Brandi Rhodes will join the RAW commentary team, thoughts??
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Old 02-15-2022, 11:22 PM   #126
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it is amusing that the money mark cody and the bucks recruited is pushing them out
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I’m still laughing about this.
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Ah this is a bit shit. Cody is/was comfortably one of AEW’s best guys. 100x better than Punk, and on the whole more interesting than Danielson. Up until the Ogogo feud everything he touched had been golden and that just seemed to de-rail him.
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I suppose one saving grace is it now makes Billy Gunn and the Assboys the dominant wrestling family in the company.
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Old 02-16-2022, 09:14 AM   #131
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It's been confirmed that Cody will still co-own and train at the Nightmare Factory. So if he goes to WWE you'll have the school co-run by WWE and AEW talent, possibly opening up even more network opportunities for those trainees.

There's also always a chance some of the Nightmare Factory grads currently on the AEW roster will look elsewhere once their deals are up. Preston Vance/10 is very tight with Cody. I really love the Dark Order, but being objective I really don't see a path for them becoming more than the lovable undercard babyface act they are now. So if a 10 or an Alan Angels decided to explore other options, it wouldn't be the biggest surprise to me.
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As a company, how do you move on from this quickly?

When Austin walked out on the 'E in 2002, they sent Rock out to address it off the bat and literally said "get the 'f out". Given Cody has in the very recent past made comments in the ring about WWE being an inferior product, do you send a CM Punk or an MJF out with a live mic and address it, call Cody out on his hypocrisy and support the audience/help them to move on, or do you just not address it at all?
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This is from Wade Keller

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Keller talked also talked about how Brandi Rhodes was viewed backstage.

He said, “So I’ll just say this. It sounds mean but nobody has anything nice to say about Brandi Rhodes and her disposition or popularity behind the scenes and I’m not saying that with any personal satisfaction or preference for her to be liked or not liked. I’m just telling you when I talk to people, Brandi has not been seen as an asset on camera, in the ring, or behind the scenes. And so that ended up being baggage with Cody because people like Cody, pretty universally like Cody. Even people who say bad things about Cody like Cody if that makes sense.

“But Cody wanted to be a superstar, and AEW signing big money contracts, especially with Bryan Danielson and CM Punk, changed the dynamic to a degree with Cody. And I’m not saying this wouldn’t have happened if that didn’t happen. But Cody knew and Tony knew that Cody became expendable. You know, he went from a clear essential top tier guy, top four talent in the company. And you know, Cody was fine obviously with Moxley being signed, and with Jericho being signed. Jericho was a huge boon to the AEW brand at the beginning. And Moxley was a great acquisition and disgruntled with WWE and not really a threat to Cody, because he was just so different than Cody, even if they’re not too far off in age. But Danielson and Punk and then Adam Cole to a lesser extent, changed things certainly more than Malakai Black or Miro or Christian changed things. And it did give Tony a sense of ‘I have enough top guys and then young guys on the rise’ that it took some leverage away from Cody, in terms of ‘you need me pay me’ and there’s only so much salary cap room that Tony has to spread around. And he had the good fortune to have Punk and Bryan Danielson and Adam Cole become available to him, but they were expensive. The top guys in WCW had the clause in their contract that if anyone got paid more than them, their contracts would go up to match it. And they knew politically that if you’re not the top paid person, you by definition lose leverage with the boss, with the network, with your co-workers, your peers. And Cody was no longer a top paid guy. And my understanding is he wanted to be and to a degree that just wasn’t seen by Tony as what he was worth to him in the current landscape. But it’s complicated and there’s not a single factor that plays into this because Cody might have been worth it if he weren’t getting booed and he wasn’t the subject of ridicule online and in buildings and frankly, behind the scenes in various ways.”

Keller continued, “Cody has always had some issues. There’s been wrestlers who have had issues with Cody even early on. But over time, Cody pulled himself more away. Like he got a really expensive bus and was driving that only to like the Florida shows, in part done for the reality show and stuff. I mean there’s more than two sides, really to everything. But it was perceived as ‘well he got this bus and it’s really expensive and its this giant gas guzzling unnecessary luxury is sending a different message than what the wrestler founded by wrestlers for the wrestlers were supposed to send.’ And it was like, ‘Oh boy, here he goes

Keller noted how Cody has talked about how much he looks up to Triple H. Cody said the following last year during an interview with Inside The Ropes:

"So I don’t know if I should share this, but, at some point, it’s going to come off my chest: Triple H is probably my favorite wrestler and was a role model. I only watched from a distance, but he reminded me a lot of my dad in the sense that I watched him do all the work, be this executive, and then go out there—and he was only part-time for the most part other than when I first started and had that run with him and Teddy and Shawn. He really was a model in terms of, “OK, you can do both, you can do both, but you have to be really disciplined. You have to take it really seriously.” And that doesn’t get you many friends when you’re the Hermione Granger of the company, and you just take it so seriously and are just a little bookworm.”

Keller continued, “So Cody wanted to be I think more involved with being seen as sort of an equal to Tony and it became clear over time this was Tony’s company, and you know, the EVPs had their titles and The Bucks and Kenny by all accounts are happy with their role as EVPs and they have some latitude. Kenny gets to work with the women and The Bucks get to kind of do their thing with their friends and get to show off their ring style. Tony is pretty hands off and open to their ideas about certain pockets in the company that they have. But I think Cody did desire to be something more substantial. Danielson and Punk changed that dynamic a bit and I think Cody knew from experience if you’re not the top paid guy, you’re not going to get pushed like the top paid guy, you’re not gonna have the leverage that comes with that. He was as much if not more than anyone the founder of this movement of AEW and Brandi put out public statements on Twitter about this and said nice things. I have not heard that there was a big blow up or that there’s a ton of hurt feelings with Cody and Tony. But, obviously, you know, it’s business.”

Keller noted how both parties said nice things to each other and that hopefully, those statements are genuinely how they feel about each other. Click here to read Cody Rhodes’ statement about AEW and Tony Khan. Click here to read Tony Khan’s statement

Keller added, “but the bottom line is Cody was not successful with this character and was stubborn or steadfast in wanting to be portrayed a certain way. And you can see it in that statement about the community outreach aspect of it. So when you’re trying to manage Brandi’s aspirations, and you’re also wanting to be paid a certain amount, and to match or exceed others, and at the same time the crowd is rejecting the character that you’re steadfast in wanting to continue portraying, it can become a problem. Then you have WWE that is willing to pay millions to acquire a co founder and EVP of your top competitor and make some waves with that going into WrestleMania season. I’m not surprised. People were really surprised. I heard some of the EVP’s were surprised about this, because it seemed like things had gotten better with everyone after there had been some tension. But if things got better, it might have been a loveless marriage in that sense. There wasn’t fighting but there wasn’t great chemistry and collaboration

"You know, everyone just kind of had their roles. Cody, if he wasn’t on his bus, he was in his locker room. He had his people, a small group who hung out with him, and he was open to hearing ideas and giving advice when people asked, but he wasn’t out there just making himself available and getting to know everybody and shaking hands and welcoming people into the company and getting to know their story. Cody was very focused on himself and the grandioseness of what he did. He recently bought a mansion — like a big house. And, you know, people are speculating about between that and the bus and all that, does he have the issue that his dad Dusty had, which is spending money that he’s expecting to earn before he has it or putting himself in a situation where there’s financial commitments and he just needs to get paid to match that. And I don’t know enough about the money he had [or] if he paid cash for the house, and he’s totally fine…so, you know, part of what Cody was going for is I think he just kind of assumed there would be a certain level of pay raise, and he was pretty forward on TV saying ‘quite frankly, I didn’t get offered what I thought I was worth or what I thought I deserved’, especially as a co-founder of the company and if that came with any extra perks, when there’s money to be spending on Danielson and Punk and Cole and now Keith Lee.”
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Regardless of how this all turns out, it's definitely kinda cool to see this particular salvo fired by the WWE. I'm definitely "Team AEW" in the sense that they need to do well for the sake of wrestling as a whole, but this is the type of shit that gets people talking.

Vince has turned into a creative hack and I don't expect much out of Cody's run (even if he gets some special treatment, WWE can't help but be petty and will look for any reason to bury him at some point.) But even the initial few appearances will be cool enough.

I get this is a small-scale rivalry, and they're competing for exceptionally niche audiences, but this shit's been missing from wrestling for years.
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Old 02-16-2022, 09:47 AM   #135
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That all kinda plays in to the way I've been feeling about Cody since that godawful Ogogo angle started. Maybe even earlier than that actually, he tried to do this triumphant hero return in the Revolution ladder match and then days later got involved in a weird feud with Penta that lasted two weeks.

Whether you liked Cody's stuff or disliked it, the one prevailing thought I kept having was that it felt like Cody existed in a completely different AEW from the rest of the roster. And that took me out of his work sometimes.

You could be watching a Dynamite that felt like a cohesive show for an hour and 40 minutes but there's just this one 20 minute Cody match or segment in there that felt like it was in its own bubble. Whoever he was feuding with would feel like they were part of the regular roster again when it was over.

Tough to really explain it but I know I'm not alone in that sentiment, AEW's reddit page referred to it as the "Codyverse"
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Honestly as much as Cornette and Brian Last have their "specific view," they've been spot on about Cody AND Brandi. If you listen to their reviews of his/her work and their speculation on him backstage from the beginning of AEW until now, it's reflects A LOT of Keller's report.
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He will be fine in WWE at the start and get an initial push and a good Mania spot, but 6 months down the line, he is going to be old news and Vince will lose interest.

By SummerSlam, he will be having endless matches with Dolph Ziggler on SmackDown with no purpose or end in sight, and he won’t have the EVP status to say that he doesn’t t fancy it.
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Are people actually buying that Keller bit?
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This just proves all the shit AEW has tried to present themselves as is fake. Its not a family, it is a business. Not signing Cody shows Tony Khan has no loyalty, AEW is not some safespace company where people dont have to worry about job security and their spots.

AEW is not a utopia for pro wrestlers, it is entirely to placate a vain manchild. Look at the fucking statement Khan released about Cody:



He signed it "CEO, PRESIDENT, GENERAL MANAGER & HEAD OF CREATIVE"

What an egotistical asshole, fuck AEW.
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Rod I feel like you’ve got too much skin in this game.
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Not saying you’re wrong about Tony Khan but we could be just as inflammatory of a guy like Bischoff when he put the heat on Vince. Didn’t make it any less fun. AEW is “good for business.”
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This just proves all the shit AEW has tried to present themselves as is fake. Its not a family, it is a business. Not signing Cody shows Tony Khan has no loyalty, AEW is not some safespace company where people dont have to worry about job security and their spots.

AEW is not a utopia for pro wrestlers, it is entirely to placate a vain manchild. Look at the fucking statement Khan released about Cody:



He signed it "CEO, PRESIDENT, GENERAL MANAGER & HEAD OF CREATIVE"

What an egotistical asshole, fuck AEW.
Still honors existing contracts...for now
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I get that there is one sore. I guess you can pick at, the fact that Tony wanted to keep people signed during the pandemic. So what he wanted to make the company look good by not firing people during the pandemic. The pandemic is essentially over for wrestling. You can go to Indy wrestling all over the country any night. So what obligation does Tony have to keep people around that aren't up to par? Cody is a great talent. I wish he was still there but is he CM punk or Brian Danielson? No he's not. He's different but he's just not on that level. So yeah people are going to get cut.
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This just proves all the shit AEW has tried to present themselves as is fake. Its not a family, it is a business. Not signing Cody shows Tony Khan has no loyalty, AEW is not some safespace company where people dont have to worry about job security and their spots.

AEW is not a utopia for pro wrestlers, it is entirely to placate a vain manchild. Look at the fucking statement Khan released about Cody:



He signed it "CEO, PRESIDENT, GENERAL MANAGER & HEAD OF CREATIVE"

What an egotistical asshole, fuck AEW.
Lol, that is douchy.
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I’m still not convinced Cody signs with WWE long-term. WWE doesn’t want to encourage people to go out and make their own way. They want obedient cogs. If he shows up with a massive downside guarantee, what is the next mid-carder whose deal is coming up going to think is the best way forward for them?

I can see Cody making a few appearances and getting in tight with WWE. I can see him putting over The Miz at WrestleMania. But I won’t believe anything long-term is going to happen until I see it.
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Something worth mentioning. Brandi really think of herself as a wrestler and wants to have "moments", but she's terrible. So do you think that Tony not using Brandi in any meaningful way as a wrestler, and maybe even "laying down the line" when Brandi has raised issue with her lack of booking?

Perhaps Brandi's feelings about her lack of use by AEW as a talent are a big reason for Cody to leave AEW. Jus a thot.
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Something worth mentioning. Brandi really think of herself as a wrestler and wants to have "moments", but she's terrible. So do you think that Tony not using Brandi in any meaningful way as a wrestler, and maybe even "laying down the line" when Brandi has raised issue with her lack of booking?

Perhaps Brandi's feelings about her lack of use by AEW as a talent are a big reason for Cody to leave AEW. Jus a thot.
I mean, it’s going to go into it. Money and ego are going to play a part with both.
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Not saying you’re wrong about Tony Khan but we could be just as inflammatory of a guy like Bischoff when he put the heat on Vince. Didn’t make it any less fun. AEW is “good for business.”
True, and maybe when I was younger this stuff would not have bothered me as much, but Tony Khan feels like such a snake. He is obsessed with his wrestlers and company being portrayed as this Homage to what a genius he is, and anybody who doesnt go full on with that is out.

Everybody loves working for him and AEW, and the moment that is challeneged in anyways, he gets weirdly defensive and vindictive. He stopped putting Brian Cage on TV, he went out of his way to be very sexist to a reporter, the whole Big Swole meltdown, forced Leo Rush to basically publicly apologize for being upset, and then released Leo without EVER putting him back on TV, and now Cody.

Cody did not want to pretend that Tony Khan did this all on his own, wanted some recognition and a justified pay raise for all of his hard work, and Tony would rather let Cody walk then share any credit.

Like I said, pretending he could not afford to bring Cody back when he goes out of his way to say he has more money than WWE is a really bad look. It is even worse that the company he says he has more money than CAN afford Cody.

I really believe it has nothing to do with the amount of money Cody wanted, and everything to do with Cody not stroking the ego of this manchild.

Vince McMahon and Eric Bischoff are both vindictive ruthless bastards, but I cannot recall one time either of them creepily sat next to a wrestler rubbing their arms and touching them while said wrestler HAD to talk about how great and smart they are. That is a Tony Khan exclusive.

Look, I know I ramp it up a little for "hot takes" sake, but seriously watch him in this for a few minutes, he makes me uncomfortable.
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One key factor that led to this exit was losing all responsibilities involving booking. That is a role where Khan, who is the head of creative, has taken full rein. Originally, Rhodes was part of that process. As great as Dusty Rhodes was as a performer, his contributions as a booker are an integral part of his legacy. For Rhodes, AEW represented another chance to pay homage to his father as a booker while also further cementing his own legacy. Losing that opportunity in AEW hurt Rhodes more than any loss he suffered in the ring.
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True, and maybe when I was younger this stuff would not have bothered me as much, but Tony Khan feels like such a snake. He is obsessed with his wrestlers and company being portrayed as this Homage to what a genius he is, and anybody who doesnt go full on with that is out.

Everybody loves working for him and AEW, and the moment that is challeneged in anyways, he gets weirdly defensive and vindictive. He stopped putting Brian Cage on TV, he went out of his way to be very sexist to a reporter, the whole Big Swole meltdown, forced Leo Rush to basically publicly apologize for being upset, and then released Leo without EVER putting him back on TV, and now Cody.

Cody did not want to pretend that Tony Khan did this all on his own, wanted some recognition and a justified pay raise for all of his hard work, and Tony would rather let Cody walk then share any credit.

Like I said, pretending he could not afford to bring Cody back when he goes out of his way to say he has more money than WWE is a really bad look. It is even worse that the company he says he has more money than CAN afford Cody.

I really believe it has nothing to do with the amount of money Cody wanted, and everything to do with Cody not stroking the ego of this manchild.

Vince McMahon and Eric Bischoff are both vindictive ruthless bastards, but I cannot recall one time either of them creepily sat next to a wrestler rubbing their arms and touching them while said wrestler HAD to talk about how great and smart they are. That is a Tony Khan exclusive.

Look, I know I ramp it up a little for "hot takes" sake, but seriously watch him in this for a few minutes, he makes me uncomfortable.
People will say you’re being unfair, but people’s personalities go into their work. And you’re right — there’s no reason for him to be fashioning himself as someone who touches his female employees and stares at them for that long in public interviews. It actually is creepy, lol.

TK’s ego goes into this too. His immature outbursts and Twitter spats highlights that this is something he takes very personally. There’s enough evidence to call this, as well as his football gigs, vanity positions. Their bought by Daddy to make Tony feel important. And what he wants from the position is probably adulation. It doesn’t seem like making money is actually the priority. The booking and a large part of the talent roster demonstrates that. He wants to be loved. He wants the reviews, the reports, the write-ups and the wrestlers all toting what an amazing thing for wrestling he is. It’s a narcissistic fantasy of being influential in something you are a fan of.

It doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s out to harm people or that no good can come from him. But people will want to put their fingers in their ears when you point out stuff like this bizarre behavior that actually doesn’t fly in most sectors anymore.
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I know people can cut their nose off to spite their face. I know one door being shut doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t take a gig in a doorless factory, but Cody is not going to get creative freedom in the WWE. And I sincerely doubt he is getting more money.

Do I believe money and creative differences played a part in this role? Sure. But it’s more the principle of what they all mean. It’s a battle of visions.
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I think it is well established at this point that Tony Khan is an eccentric oddball. Who's arguing against it?
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Per multiple sources, Brandi Rhodes is not expected to join her husband in WWE. This is not to imply her wrestling career is over, as Rhodes just revealed to SI that she is determined to win championship gold in wrestling. Obviously, that won’t happen any time soon in AEW, but she could still wrestle elsewhere.

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Cody is not going to be able to dictate his face/heel status in WWE either. If he was so adamant against turning in AEW, it doesn’t make that much sense for that to be a factor in him joining WWE.
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I know people can cut their nose off to spite their face. I know one door being shut doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t take a gig in a doorless factory, but Cody is not going to get creative freedom in the WWE. And I sincerely doubt he is getting more money.

Do I believe money and creative differences played a part in this role? Sure. But it’s more the principle of what they all mean. It’s a battle of visions.
Seems like he felt that if he didn't really have the booking power he expected in AEW anyway, he might as well make a ton more money in WWE while also not having booking power
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Seems like he felt that if he didn't really have the booking power he expected in AEW anyway, he might as well make a ton more money in WWE while also not having booking power
Booking power is meaningless at this
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I don’t know where this idea Cody is going to be getting tons more money in the WWE comes from. AEW is the one offering guys their biggest contracts. Cody would have surely been making >$1 million in AEW. Brandi would have been making mint too.

If Cody didn’t want to turn in AEW, he probably wouldn’t have to. In WWE, he’s going to be at the whims of Vince McMahon. He’s giving up his charity-friendly spot, essentially.

I’m not saying he’s NOT going to do all these things. But there’s more to the story than “WWE pays well” or “Tony won’t let me book.” There’s some real bruising here.
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Why wouldn't they offer him tons of money? It's a huge thing for WWE to sign one of the original founders of their main competitor... Feel like they probably offered him at least 2x or 3x what AEW did. Weren't they throwing around like $1 million per match to some old timers for the Saudi shows
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