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Old 04-10-2022, 04:46 PM   #1
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WWE would give MJF way more exposure. When he goes there, I’m sure he will have failsafes in place to give himself the best chance of not being much else besides authentic MJF. They’ve broken that ground with Cody now. MJF will have it so he can be MJF.
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Old 04-11-2022, 01:29 AM   #2
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WWE would give MJF way more exposure. When he goes there, I’m sure he will have failsafes in place to give himself the best chance of not being much else besides authentic MJF. They’ve broken that ground with Cody now. MJF will have it so he can be MJF.
MJF is not Cody.

Cody fits right in with WWE because he never really stopped being a WWE guy. Thats why he stood out amongst the indyriffic people he worked with. MJF could not get away with half the stuff he does in AEW, if he were in the WWE.

You don't have to wonder what he'd be like if he went there, as we've already got that. Hes called The Miz.
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MJF is not Cody.

Cody fits right in with WWE because he never really stopped being a WWE guy. Thats why he stood out amongst the indyriffic people he worked with. MJF could not get away with half the stuff he does in AEW, if he were in the WWE.

You don't have to wonder what he'd be like if he went there, as we've already got that. Hes called The Miz.
We’ll see. I disagree with that assessment. They brought Cody back with his independent/AEW presentation for a reason. They want talent to stop leaving their promotion, and they want the guys worth having to jump. They are going to be pretty good to anyone they decide to hire. That’s my prediction though. Maybe I am wrong and LolWWE.
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We’ll see. I disagree with that assessment. They brought Cody back with his independent/AEW presentation for a reason. They want talent to stop leaving their promotion, and they want the guys worth having to jump. They are going to be pretty good to anyone they decide to hire. That’s my prediction though. Maybe I am wrong and LolWWE.
I think you can cut it either way. I also think we are all mostly in agreement with what would be the sensible route to take, we differ on “benefit of the doubt”.

Personally, I can’t move past “I can’t trust WWE to get it right” due to the overwhelming evidence that supports it, whereas I think you’re more inclined to give them the benefit.

I think Cody’s current presentation works for WWE for the very reason you state, but I’d wager some (maybe all?) of that is what Cody wants and most likely has in his contract. Will they want to continue to licence his theme in 3-6 months time? Maybe that’s part of his deal but I wouldn’t be surprised to see that change. I think if Vince had it his way he’d want to put his fingerprints all over Cody, in the same vein as all the needless name changes we’ve had for NXT call ups.

It’s fine - preferable even - if I’m wrong on this.
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Old 04-11-2022, 05:19 AM   #5
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I think you can cut it either way. I also think we are all mostly in agreement with what would be the sensible route to take, we differ on “benefit of the doubt”.

Personally, I can’t move past “I can’t trust WWE to get it right” due to the overwhelming evidence that supports it, whereas I think you’re more inclined to give them the benefit.

I think Cody’s current presentation works for WWE for the very reason you state, but I’d wager some (maybe all?) of that is what Cody wants and most likely has in his contract. Will they want to continue to licence his theme in 3-6 months time? Maybe that’s part of his deal but I wouldn’t be surprised to see that change. I think if Vince had it his way he’d want to put his fingerprints all over Cody, in the same vein as all the needless name changes we’ve had for NXT call ups.

It’s fine - preferable even - if I’m wrong on this.
Oh yeah, I agree with that. I totally get not giving them benefit, but even though the Cody thing is new and fresh, it’s been done to such a degree that the WWE doesn’t normally do things that I think it does reveal something.

But hey, you’ve got the smarter game, because if you’re surprised at least it will be pleasantly.

When it comes to MJF: By the time his deal comes up, we’ll have a much better idea of how things are going with Cody. Maybe with Ambrose and Omega too. Jericho and The Bucks could be there too. There will be more on the table, unless he can get out of his deal sooner.
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If he signs for 5 years with them, he’ll be 32 when his deal is up. He’ll be one of the most famous wrestlers in the world and will have all sorts of opportunities lined up. Or he can just stay in AEW forever making fun of Sammy Guevara or whoever.
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Feel like that needs to come with an *. We’re a week into Cody being back in WWE, a guy that started his career there and comes with all the ties through Dusty. Still a long way to go and lots of room to fumble the ball. MJF is a hot property but there’s no such thing as a “sure thing” in WWE.
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Feel like that needs to come with an *. We’re a week into Cody being back in WWE, a guy that started his career there and comes with all the ties through Dusty. Still a long way to go and lots of room to fumble the ball. MJF is a hot property but there’s no such thing as a “sure thing” in WWE.
Sure. It is very early. But they’ve crossed some MASSIVE lines to do the effective thing. Conversely, there’s a ceiling on everything you do in AEW. He can’t be a sure thing there.
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Feel like that needs to come with an *. We’re a week into Cody being back in WWE, a guy that started his career there and comes with all the ties through Dusty. Still a long way to go and lots of room to fumble the ball. MJF is a hot property but there’s no such thing as a “sure thing” in WWE.
I mean I didn’t go into as I thought the mention alone was implicit enough not to have to.
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I mean I didn’t go into as I thought the mention alone was implicit enough not to have to.
Yeah, I was agreeing with your point. Not everything needs to be contentious.
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Yeah, WWE is really good at creating failsafes to ensure things that got over elsewhere stay just as cool under their watch. What was I thinking.
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Oh God, the thought of a WWE-neutered MJF is depressing as shit.
I'm just disappointed he can't get his "revenge" on Samoa Joe.

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Feel like that needs to come with an *. We’re a week into Cody being back in WWE, a guy that started his career there and comes with all the ties through Dusty. Still a long way to go and lots of room to fumble the ball. MJF is a hot property but there’s no such thing as a “sure thing” in WWE.

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I can just taste that premium grade sarcasm. And agree with it.


My opinion on Cody, MJF, and anything going foward in WWE can be pretty well summed up in the same sentiment: it all really depends on Vince.

Cody's ceiling is as high as they deem it to be. If he's going to be booked as the guy who eventually dethrones Roman, and I mean really booked with a laser focus that way, they will beat any horse to death to make that happen. At the same time, if he's going to be treated similarly to the idea of being "punished" or "ribbed" like Dusty was, they're going to do that. Cody's downfall in AEW - for all the talents that he has - was him disappearing up his own ass, and THAT is one thing WWE will put some limiters on. Outisde of that, if the WWE is going to treat him like a star without the literal one in facepaint, or try to make an example out of him for their own egos to show up competition they act like they don't even acknoledge is all on the company. Remember, its not like it is above them to fuck with entire careers just to be petty.

With MJF, his upsides are amazing: he's young, fantastically talented on the stick, and very good in the ring. But, because it's WWE, his downside is his size. It's something that WWE can get fixated on to a fault: see how they tried to shaft Danielson, how they continute to clown Chad Gable, gave Pete Dunne a complete makeover, etc. The only person who seemed to avoid this trap has been Finn Balor, and even he disappeared into the midcard in a sea of plenty of other people larger than him who also disappeared into the midcard. And I don't count Ricochet, because he is there to fill a niche in the relentless quest of the company to "create" another Rey Mysterio through sheer marketing.

As deserving and capable as he is, there is only a minute chance that he'd ever become a World Champion. Especially in Vince's lifetime. I just keep hearing [imperonation of Vince McMahon voice] "... but he's just so TINYYYYYY!!" which would make him either try to make him a manager for some homegrown immoble meathead he could wrestle circles around given the chance, clown him up into a total comedy gimmick chasing the 24/7 title or whatever incarnation of the Cruiserweight belt they may or may not still have kicking around in NXT, or give him the Hade Vansen treatment so we can all cry about what could have been.
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It's a pretty big blow to AEW and Tony Khan.

You can tell by how delicately Tony Khan is managing the narrative that this hurts him.

That in itself is probably worth it to Vince.

Then if now Vince makes a Main Event star out of Cody Rhodes then WHAT do you think guys like MJF, Darby Allin, Jungle Boy, Orange Cassidy & Private Party.... the REAL future stars of wrestling are going to think? Guys who have been somewhat pushed out by the recent and ridiculous influx of all the ex-WWE talent acquires?

The future is not Jon Moxley, Chris Jericho, Bryan Danielson, CM Punk or Jeff Hardy.

They're all fucking great but they are not the future 5-10 years from now.

That is Vince McMahon's play.

AEW needs to start pulling the trigger on guys like MJF, Jungle Boy, Darby Allin and Orange Cassidy or the WWE will use that leverage when their contracts are up.

The only homegrown talent they have pulled the trigger on is Hangman Adam Page and to be frank, I think they've dropped the ball on that BIG TIME. The AEW title is now secondary to whatever ex-WWE superstar signs with AEW this week. Just lost in the shuffle.
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Cody was smart to return to WWE.

I don't think AEW will survive another five years under the unstable and manic leadership of Tony Khan.
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I think the next TV deal negotiations will be interesting.
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Oh definitely, but I do tend to live my life that way; expect the worst, hope for the best.

I will say, I’m excited to watch Raw tomorrow morning to see what’s next for Cody, what they have for Edge’s new deal, what’s next for Owens (Ezekiel?), what’s next for Seth, how (WrestleMania) Backlash starts to shape up.

Shame that I’ll be watching illegally and not counting for anything, but still.
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I think there is a major factor being ignored when talking about Cody paving the way for other AEW people to join WWE, and that is that Cody already was a WWE guy. Maybe him going back might show Jericho or Moxley that it might work out going back, but I don't know if it is going to influence/encourage the people who do not have a WWE background.

If somebody like MJF goes to WWE, that would be much more relevant for the AEW Wrestler who might be considering trying to make the move.

Vince was against bringing in Impact wrestlers for years. I don't see him having much interest in many AEW originals unless they are younger like MJF.
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The WWE background thing is a cogent point, but I don’t think it’s actually going to be that big a deal for guys if they “qualify” for WWE. They’re also going to have Cody vouching for or against people and their work/attitudes, etc. AJ Styles came in as virtually the perfect package for them.

The biggest shocker is that Cody didn’t go back to a WWE presentation, or a new version of such. They trusted whatever decision-making process has gone into him fashioning himself. And sure, that will be a case-by-case basis. A guy might return to their WWE name or presentation if it makes more sense to do it that way (or they have no faith in the outside WWE presentation). But it’s very easy for me to imagine WWE seeing value in a guy who can talk as naturally as MJF, to the point where they could certainly give him carte blanche to talk about the things they want him to talk about the way he wants to (in a PG context — which isn’t as damaging to him as people are going to make out).!

Can already imagine the promo on The Miz now:

“People see a lot of similarities between us. I don’t think we could be more different, bud. I’m not from some fat, dumpy part of the mid-west. I didn’t run to Hollywood — because I can actually cut it in New York. And I didn’t marry the first 10 that ever touched me. That’s right, honey (turning his attention towards Maryse) — you used to be a 10.”

If he’s planning to release albums or whatever, or he wants to do some sort of talk show, etc. — he can negotiate that into his contract to keep the investment in him up by being more than just a lippy wrestler. Hell, he’ll also have Cody there vouching for him, and apparently Cody’s found a way to grab some rope. He’ll advocate for bringing him in and doing it their way so that his first program out the door is with Cody, who knows how to work with him, will let him carry his end of the talking, etc.

It’s starting to make sense why Cody and MJF only did the one match before moving off and doing other things, never to really cross paths again. They might be saving it.
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It’s starting to make sense why Cody and MJF only did the one match before moving off and doing other things, never to really cross paths again.
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Cody vs. MJF. If I recall, this was badly explained on TV. The Cody/Max relationship was brought up a couple of times, then MJF just randomly turned heel on Cody and they never touched again.
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Old 04-11-2022, 11:05 PM   #21
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The WWE background thing is a cogent point, but I don’t think it’s actually going to be that big a deal for guys if they “qualify” for WWE. They’re also going to have Cody vouching for or against people and their work/attitudes, etc. AJ Styles came in as virtually the perfect package for them.
But even then, AJ had to "scrub" himself clean of TNA by bathing in a ROH return and relatively short NJPW stint. Even though he's the exact same talent he would have been, those moves made him seem like a bigger deal in the eyes of WWE. If he would have just tried to jump from TNA to WWE, he would have most likely either been ushered into developmental, or told to pound sand. He wouldn't have gotten a surprise Royal Rumble entry and instant main roster spot. Especially at a time where they were still pretending TNA didn't exist. Instead of saying "a hot talent from Japan" and surprisingly acknoledging he was a former IWGP World Champion (same later with Finn Balor), they would have pretended he was just some newcomer who just started wrestling yesterday and pushed him into the WWE Random Name Generator in spite of him being AJ Styles since back when WCW existed and he was tagging with Air Paris.
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I think AJ’s overall experience helped him, but I don’t think he needed to “scrub” off TNA. What helped him most was being able to deliver in the spot.
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