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CM Punk 9 37.50%
The Elite 7 29.17%
Kenny Omega and Punk 5 20.83%
Fire all them sons of bitches 3 12.50%
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Old 03-28-2023, 05:24 AM   #1
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The Elite or Punk
If you had a Sophie's Choice scenario - Whom do you pick to stay?

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Old 03-28-2023, 05:30 AM   #2
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I voted fire all them sons of bitches. I am more sympathetic to Punk in this situation, and think he’s the more right party and could actually help AEW, but I just want to watch the world burn.
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Old 03-28-2023, 05:32 AM   #3
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I can also justify it by saying I’d like to see them all work somewhere else. Not that I’d follow The Elite, but I would check out Punk somewhere else before I inevitably lost interest.
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Old 03-28-2023, 06:21 AM   #4
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Admittedly, Punk is one of my top three of all time, but I feel like he's in the wrong here. I can only go by what I see and read online, but just so much negativity towards him, from both AEW and WWE, that it just feels like maybe he really is the problem.

With that said, he's still one of my all-time faves, and I still enjoy his promos and ring work, and if he and the AEW roster can find a way to work together again that'd be great. But if it's a case of one or the other, I feel like, for AEW to prosper they need everyone on the same team. And maybe the Elite are too clichey or maybe Punk really is a "cancer" on the industry, but either way, I think at this point AEW would be better off without him.
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Old 03-28-2023, 08:37 AM   #5
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I voted for the Elite but only because they are younger and in much better shape and you can get more, higher quality work out of them than you will Punk at this point.
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Old 03-28-2023, 08:55 AM   #6
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I vote Punk because I think The Elite will leave AEW for WWE.
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The Elite also all suck in the ring. Punk can do commentary and train for years. You have to really like the spots The Elite do and want that over and over again for years to see more value in them.
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Old 03-28-2023, 09:14 AM   #8
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Admittedly, Punk is one of my top three of all time, but I feel like he's in the wrong here. I can only go by what I see and read online, but just so much negativity towards him, from both AEW and WWE, that it just feels like maybe he really is the problem.

With that said, he's still one of my all-time faves, and I still enjoy his promos and ring work, and if he and the AEW roster can find a way to work together again that'd be great. But if it's a case of one or the other, I feel like, for AEW to prosper they need everyone on the same team. And maybe the Elite are too clichey or maybe Punk really is a "cancer" on the industry, but either way, I think at this point AEW would be better off without him.
Be careful about where the negativity comes from.
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Old 03-28-2023, 12:06 PM   #9
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What happened? Or is this from that fight they had ages ago?
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Old 03-28-2023, 12:33 PM   #10
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I enjoy watching Punk wrestle more than the Elite but Punk seems to be a source of misery, so I'd keep the Elite over him
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Old 03-28-2023, 01:01 PM   #11
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Ive never been much of a fan of the Bucks or Omega. But it would piss Punk off even more for The Elite to be the ultimate victors here, so I am picking them. Punk sucks.
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Old 03-28-2023, 01:01 PM   #12
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Voted for Punk because even though he's a cunt, I don't give a shit about The Elite.
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Old 03-28-2023, 04:39 PM   #13
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I voted Punk because I want AEW to succeed. The only reason why I want AEW to succeed is because I don't want the "smart" marks hijacking WWE with the bullshit mono-style that they jack off to. The Elite can fuck right off. And Omega's shit will come out when he leaves.
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I chose Punk and Kenny because AEW is in dire need of top the card talent and stories, and while the Bucks can main event Dynamite all they want, they’re not a ppv main event and Punk v Omega is still a dream match.

Also, Punk is prob better for business than the Bucks even tho he’s a giant pain in the ass and seems suddenly injury prone.
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I voted Punk because I want AEW to succeed. The only reason why I want AEW to succeed is because I don't want the "smart" marks hijacking WWE with the bullshit mono-style that they jack off to. The Elite can fuck right off. And Omega's shit will come out when he leaves.
Wouldn't getting rid of The Elite make them more likely to come to WWE and ruin it with their wankery?
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Brian Last had already alluded to him having a drug problem and being a raging toss backstage (bullying, etc.). The video game is going to be very interesting…

I honestly don’t think WWE wants them. Let them be faulty torpedos in the other ship.
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Old 03-28-2023, 10:29 PM   #17
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I went with keep kenny and punk. There's money in the match but mostly the bucks are just awful.


If you cant get the match though punk has no value. So fire the bucks.
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Voted Punk and Omega.

I think if you take the Bucks away from Kenny he's no longer part of the trouble making crowd. The Bucks just want to do their own thing, play wresting with their buddies and ignore what's actually good for business which is Punk/FTR vs. The Elite. If you can't put the business you supposedly founded before your own ego you can fuck right off.

Punk draws. Plain and simple. People will consume the product just for him so he has high value. You need that if you're AEW. You can't afford to do what WWE was doing for a while and just letting quality talent and "needle movers" walk out the door.

People have pointed out in other threads that Punk hasn't gotten anyone else over but himself. Ok, I'll give you that. The same was said about mega stars like Hogan and Cena. How quickly we forget that Punk's arrival catapulted AEW into "legit" status and made casual fans take notice. Yeah you had your Stings of the world but he's not really an active talent at this point. Let's say Punk never got anyone else over. Fine. How many other guys have gotten an entire wrestling promotion over? You can't just ignore the reaction to The First Dance and the fire that it lit for AEW at the time.
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Old 03-29-2023, 07:12 AM   #19
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I might be alone in this, but I don’t feel there is really that much money in Punk/Omega. I think as soon as you put them into a program against each other, the shoot tension dissolves.

If you can get Punk back, my idea is to have him sit out until All Out. MJF goes the year champ. He beats Moxley or someone at All Out and the scrums are changed to just him cutting promos. Punk interrupts him. With MJF poised to leave as undefeated AEW Champ, you bring in Punk as this outlier undefeated AEW Champ who has also left with a belt before to take it off him.

Then you have Punk leave Full Gear as champ after Mox and maybe Kingston help him out. The idea is that Mox has always been Mr. AEW, and his podcast tension with Punk is a “work.” They had their All Out stuff last year which was real (I hate kayfabe being broken), but when MJF threatened to leave with the belt, they decided to band together and save Punk as a secret weapon to send in the devil to beat the devil.

If Kingston is involved, his stuff with Punk could have been real, could have been two guys trying to make a name for themselves in cahoots the whole time. Happy to fight each other (again, I don’t want “fake matches”), but totally ready to band together when the nitty gets gritty.

You could play this into frustrations between Claudio and Kingston/Mox, Punk, etc. I’d go as far as to have MJF bring back Andrade and Miro under his “personal services” contracts to rebel against the company, making Punk’s involvement necessary. Then you’ve got Punk/Miro, Punk/Andrade (w/ Flair?). Punk could even tease (as a guy on the outs) that Andrade and Miro might not even be in MJF’s pocket, because he’s coming from the outside also, and was an influence in Miro’s early career.

Reverse engineer the shoot into a work that is based around certain guys in AEW being frustrated MJF is going to make a ditch with the belt. It’s not flawless, but it’s different from a Russo-esque swerve because the kayfabe all lines up. Mox and Punk aren’t enemies on-air. Mox and Omega are, so Punk and Mox can still happen, but be based around Omega, as EVP, feeling deceived by the whole thing, and Punk being in the Mox camp. I guess Page can be in there too. Then the whole shoot stuff can be murky while being a wrestling storyline.
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In the meantime, with Buck the First hurt, I have Omega fire Callis (because he should be able to watch the TV show). Omega and Page form a tag team. Buck the Second becomes an occasional partner and New Japan lend for Hiromu. Callis becomes the new manager for The Gunn Club (a mark for the champs and guys who will take Cyrus to back them).

Omega/Page, The Gunns and FTR become the new tag team division anchors. Mox and Claudio initially get added in. Maybe you do Kingston/Yuta as a tag team, because TK isn’t going to want to drop Yuta. In this scenario, Mox backs Claudio over Kingston. This breaks up the BCC and I guess Kingston is out of Punk/Mox/Kingston, but Claudio takes his place.

The Acclaimed stick around, but maybe pick up Paul Wight as an occasional third. He can work with Omega now (which is bizarrely fascinating). They don’t need to turn heel, but with so many top face teams and their journey to the top being done already, they could get an edge to themselves frustrated about all these sudden pairings and FTR and Omega/Page being star face teams against each other. But they always hate The Gunns, etc.

This could also be a strategic way to put Omega/Page (and Blank Jackson) in the ring with guys like FTR to dial in them in. Eventually the other Buck comes back and joins the fray. They hopefully produce the best work of their careers, which Jim Cornette gives credit to, which helps alter perception of them (because he is influential).

The big stories over 2023 are MJF as World Champion, eventually foiled by a conspiring Punk no longer trying to be the good guy — although he might be in his own mind; and a tag team scene that is bolstered by Omega/Page entering the fray and working alongside FTR which can lead to all sorts of singles pairings too.
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In this scenario, you can play to the real-life politics. Mox wants to do bullshit hardcore stuff. He and Kingston can do hardcore matches when he backs Kingston, but then you can do more sensible tag matches between them all too.

I’m suspicious of whatever is going on with Shibata, but he can join Mox and Claudio, leaving Kingston and Yuta in the dark, because Mox is a mark for Japan.

There are probably holes in the story somewhere, but I think it largely ties everyone in through their current storyline direction, while somewhat incorporating legit backstage dramas, trying to kayfabe them, doing damage control, getting guys into proper spots and just generally trying to make logical sense of this whole nonsense.
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Old 03-29-2023, 07:47 AM   #22
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I swapped a few names in there, haha. You still do Punk/Omega, but it’s because Punk/Mox foiled MJF and Omega feels his position in AEW slipping because Punk/Mox are now claiming to be the saviors. Mox backs Claudio at Supercard of Honor which puts Kingston and Yuta into a tag team against them and Mox/Claudio, maybe with Shibata as a coach for the heels.
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Old 03-29-2023, 09:55 AM   #23
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Feel like rewarding all the guys who end up embroiled in backstage drama is a recipe for disaster in the locker room. You do that and you are going to end up with a lot of talent in the back thinking that if they want to be relevant they need to start shit with their coworkers and make the company look bad first.
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Alvarez has hammered home the point that he thinks "Punk and The Elite should do a program so they can all make more money" is a lazy narrative.

The company might make more money if the feud draws, but the wrestlers themselves won't see a dime of it because AEW gives all of its tier 1 talent guaranteed contracts. It's not like a WWE deal where you only have a downside guarantee and your earnings will fluctuate based on the business, it's a fully guaranteed salary and these four guys in particular it'd be at a hefty number.

Yes to an extent the wrestlers should want to be doing shit that gets more eyes on the fed, but the overall point is it's tougher to get guys to agree to put legitimate heat aside for the good of the business when they don't have any sort of real financial incentive to do so. It's not like they're getting any extra money for increased gates or buys.
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Feel like rewarding all the guys who end up embroiled in backstage drama is a recipe for disaster in the locker room. You do that and you are going to end up with a lot of talent in the back thinking that if they want to be relevant they need to start shit with their coworkers and make the company look bad first.
The backstage drama has isolated talent. That’s what you’re seeing now. Even Moxley is dunking on the company because you get rewarded for it. How did Miro make the company look bad? They punished him and the narrative is that he’s a bad guy, because ex-WWE guys evil…or something.

You need to sort out the backstage drama that is getting in the way of you having a good show.
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Vito, has they ever been any mentioned if guys get ppv bonuses based on buys or the house they draw?

Nonetheless it would be good business for AEW and good exposure for all involved if they did the Punk/FTR v the Elite. It’s s as huge missed opportunity as it stands.
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Alvarez has hammered home the point that he thinks "Punk and The Elite should do a program so they can all make more money" is a lazy narrative.

The company might make more money if the feud draws, but the wrestlers themselves won't see a dime of it because AEW gives all of its tier 1 talent guaranteed contracts. It's not like a WWE deal where you only have a downside guarantee and your earnings will fluctuate based on the business, it's a fully guaranteed salary and these four guys in particular it'd be at a hefty number.

Yes to an extent the wrestlers should want to be doing shit that gets more eyes on the fed, but the overall point is it's tougher to get guys to agree to put legitimate heat aside for the good of the business when they don't have any sort of real financial incentive to do so. It's not like they're getting any extra money for increased gates or buys.
I think the truest statement is the company might lose a little bit less money if the fued draws.
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Vito, has they ever been any mentioned if guys get ppv bonuses based on buys or the house they draw?
My understanding is they do not. Their salary is their salary regardless of how business goes. Very similar to the guaranteed contracts handed out by WCW.

The issue though is a guaranteed deal, even if you don't give creative control, can sorta act like creative control because the talent has less incentive to do programs they aren't interested in or comfortable with.

And Tony probably isn't gonna fire someone who won't work the angle, he'd just bench them which is largely where Miro is at now. And that's how WCW wound up with a ton of bloat on the books.
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