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Mr. Nerfect 06:18 PM 10-16-2023
Originally Posted by Ol Dirty Dastard:
I dunno, Edge is kind of ass.
Yeah he is. But he’s not wrong if he’s frustrated about young talent ambushing him and going into business for themselves.I dunno, Edge is kind of ass.
Mr. Nerfect 06:22 PM 10-16-2023
Originally Posted by Evil Vito:
I feel like calling it drama is overblowing it. Tons of people on Twitter talking like it’s a fact that there’s legit heat between them now yet literally nobody credible has indicated there is. It’s very easy to just tweet a rumor and add “-Dave Meltzer” or whatever to the end of it because the guy is never gonna bother to respond to every single fake rumor attributed to him.
I think it’s clear Edge wasn’t expecting the insult, and that’s not a surprise given he’s gotta adjust to an environment where promos are a lot more unscripted and free flowing. So he shot back since he felt it’s what his character should do. It came across as a bit awkward and hopefully he and Starks can sort shit out for their next promo if there is one but I think that’s about it.
If Edge actually got mad at an insult as tame as big-eyed then he’s being a bit of a bitch tbh. But I don’t think that’s the case here.
It’s the perception they’ve fostered. You expect talent to get at each other’s throats. And it’s literally how the Punk stuff started. I feel like calling it drama is overblowing it. Tons of people on Twitter talking like it’s a fact that there’s legit heat between them now yet literally nobody credible has indicated there is. It’s very easy to just tweet a rumor and add “-Dave Meltzer” or whatever to the end of it because the guy is never gonna bother to respond to every single fake rumor attributed to him.
I think it’s clear Edge wasn’t expecting the insult, and that’s not a surprise given he’s gotta adjust to an environment where promos are a lot more unscripted and free flowing. So he shot back since he felt it’s what his character should do. It came across as a bit awkward and hopefully he and Starks can sort shit out for their next promo if there is one but I think that’s about it.
If Edge actually got mad at an insult as tame as big-eyed then he’s being a bit of a bitch tbh. But I don’t think that’s the case here.
I can’t remember/don’t care where you stand on Meltzer, but just to make a hasty generalization: It is funny how people will report anything negative he says about WWE as gospel (Smeat style), but when it comes to potential bullshit in AEW, the company is still somehow getting the benefit of the doubt.
xrodmuc316 07:47 PM 10-16-2023
Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect:
Yeah he is. But he’s not wrong if he’s frustrated about young talent ambushing him and going into business for themselves.
Maybe if he was so concerned about that he shouldn't have went to AEW to begin with. It is not some unknown industry secret that AEW is not exactly a professional workplace.Yeah he is. But he’s not wrong if he’s frustrated about young talent ambushing him and going into business for themselves.
Mr. Nerfect 04:45 AM 10-17-2023
Originally Posted by xrodmuc316:
Maybe if he was so concerned about that he shouldn't have went to AEW to begin with. It is not some unknown industry secret that AEW is not exactly a professional workplace.
Agreed. It isn’t a surprise at this point. It is hilarious though. But that is where ego kicks in. I think everyone likes to think they are “above it.” Their experience, salary and stature in the business is supposed to carry some weight. But it’s so jarring how unprofessional the environment is. Maybe if he was so concerned about that he shouldn't have went to AEW to begin with. It is not some unknown industry secret that AEW is not exactly a professional workplace.
William Regal couldn’t even make it a year.
Mr. Nerfect 04:46 AM 10-17-2023
Tony Khan also probably pleads and makes a lot of promises to these guys too.
Ol Dirty Dastard 08:20 AM 10-17-2023
Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect:
Yeah he is. But he’s not wrong if he’s frustrated about young talent ambushing him and going into business for themselves.
I could understand the young talent being pissed at being called a vanilla midget by a hack who's never really cut a good promo in his career.Yeah he is. But he’s not wrong if he’s frustrated about young talent ambushing him and going into business for themselves.
I'm being a bit hard on Edge here. I like him as a "wrassler." Has good matches and great charisma. But he's never been a great promo and isn't a draw. He shouldn't be "big dogging" the younger talent because he plainly isn't a good enough talker to do so.
Splaya 10:14 AM 10-17-2023
Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect:
Tony Khan also probably pleads and makes a lot of promises to these guys too.
Tony Khan also probably pleads and makes a lot of promises to these guys too.
Mr. Nerfect 02:11 PM 10-17-2023
Originally Posted by Ol Dirty Dastard:
I could understand the young talent being pissed at being called a vanilla midget by a hack who's never really cut a good promo in his career.
I'm being a bit hard on Edge here. I like him as a "wrassler." Has good matches and great charisma. But he's never been a great promo and isn't a draw. He shouldn't be "big dogging" the younger talent because he plainly isn't a good enough talker to do so.
I think you are being a little unfair on Edge here. I’m not his biggest fan, but I don’t think it’s fair to say he shouldn’t be big-dogging while Ricky Starks is there doing that (whether it’s out of ignorance or what).I could understand the young talent being pissed at being called a vanilla midget by a hack who's never really cut a good promo in his career.
I'm being a bit hard on Edge here. I like him as a "wrassler." Has good matches and great charisma. But he's never been a great promo and isn't a draw. He shouldn't be "big dogging" the younger talent because he plainly isn't a good enough talker to do so.
Think I’m most amazed at is that Edge is surprised. It’s kind of what he signed up for.
drave 02:18 PM 10-17-2023
People who work in a business fed by ego get mad with one of them calls the other one names.
MORE AT 11!
MORE AT 11!
Mr. Nerfect 02:26 PM 10-17-2023
It’s how it creeps on air, spirals out of control and overshadows the product.
Mr. Nerfect 02:27 PM 10-17-2023
People say that it’s more interesting than the content, and while this is often intended as a “joke,” it is true and really is a problem for them lol.
drave 02:29 PM 10-17-2023
My absence of social media hampers me from the nonsense.
The only place I see TK Tweets is here.
The only place I see TK Tweets is here.
Vastardikai 02:35 PM 10-17-2023
Originally Posted by drave:
People who work in a business fed by ego get mad with one of them calls the other one names.
MORE AT 11!
For all we know, they got to the back, had a talk about it, and quashed everything. But since Starks is almost certainly going North, and COPEland is a threat to the Elite, this is getting made into a bigger story than it is.People who work in a business fed by ego get mad with one of them calls the other one names.
MORE AT 11!
Mr. Nerfect 02:37 PM 10-17-2023
Originally Posted by Vastardikai:
For all we know, they got to the back, had a talk about it, and quashed everything. But since Starks is almost certainly going North, and COPEland is a threat to the Elite, this is getting made into a bigger story than it is.
Well, a bigger story than it might be. This is AEW, so it’s possible the executives are gathering firewood and pitchforks.For all we know, they got to the back, had a talk about it, and quashed everything. But since Starks is almost certainly going North, and COPEland is a threat to the Elite, this is getting made into a bigger story than it is.
xrodmuc316 05:33 PM 10-17-2023
Originally Posted by Vastardikai:
For all we know, they got to the back, had a talk about it, and quashed everything. But since Starks is almost certainly going North, and COPEland is a threat to the Elite, this is getting made into a bigger story than it is.
I certainly doubt Edge has the temperament to hold a grudge ala CM Phil, nor do I think Ricky Starks was intentionally trying to goad Edge ala Hangman or the Bucks, but I still think Edge needs to maintain his composure better than he did. No reason to go right to the killshot of burying the guy because of a bug eyed comment.For all we know, they got to the back, had a talk about it, and quashed everything. But since Starks is almost certainly going North, and COPEland is a threat to the Elite, this is getting made into a bigger story than it is.
Splaya 07:04 PM 10-17-2023
Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect:
Well, a bigger story than it might be. This is AEW, so it’s possible the executives are gathering firewood and pitchforks.
Well, a bigger story than it might be. This is AEW, so it’s possible the executives are gathering firewood and pitchforks.
Lock Jaw 07:34 PM 10-17-2023
Stop it with the annoying posts with those emoticons
Destor 08:25 PM 10-17-2023
Its honestly the worst trend on the board, ironic or otherwise
Mr. Nerfect 05:55 AM 10-18-2023
Originally Posted by xrodmuc316:
I certainly doubt Edge has the temperament to hold a grudge ala CM Phil, nor do I think Ricky Starks was intentionally trying to goad Edge ala Hangman or the Bucks, but I still think Edge needs to maintain his composure better than he did. No reason to go right to the killshot of burying the guy because of a bug eyed comment.
Starks may have not intended what was interpreted, but I can understand why it is frustrating for a veteran. And Starks is supposed to be one of the good ones! I certainly doubt Edge has the temperament to hold a grudge ala CM Phil, nor do I think Ricky Starks was intentionally trying to goad Edge ala Hangman or the Bucks, but I still think Edge needs to maintain his composure better than he did. No reason to go right to the killshot of burying the guy because of a bug eyed comment.
It may not have been the comment itself. For all we know, Starks was explicitly told not to do it, or that idea in particular was knocked back for being juvenile. If it was impromptu, I totally understand why a babyface feels annoyed being put in the position of being a punk by a guy that you were intending to give the rub to later.
drave 08:10 AM 10-18-2023
Originally Posted by xrodmuc316:
I certainly doubt Edge has the temperament to hold a grudge ala CM Phil, nor do I think Ricky Starks was intentionally trying to goad Edge ala Hangman or the Bucks, but I still think Edge needs to maintain his composure better than he did. No reason to go right to the killshot of burying the guy because of a bug eyed comment.
It's also true tho....I certainly doubt Edge has the temperament to hold a grudge ala CM Phil, nor do I think Ricky Starks was intentionally trying to goad Edge ala Hangman or the Bucks, but I still think Edge needs to maintain his composure better than he did. No reason to go right to the killshot of burying the guy because of a bug eyed comment.
It's kinda like The Rock and his "pain face" whenever he was in a submission hold, or even the one applying the submission hold. I get exaggerated expressions, but he'd yell out like HE was the one in the hold and it cracked me up.
Splaya 09:26 AM 10-18-2023
Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect:
Starks may have not intended what was interpreted, but I can understand why it is frustrating for a veteran. And Starks is supposed to be one of the good ones!
It may not have been the comment itself. For all we know, Starks was explicitly told not to do it, or that idea in particular was knocked back for being juvenile. If it was impromptu, I totally understand why a babyface feels annoyed being put in the position of being a punk by a guy that you were intending to give the rub to later.
Or....Starks may have not intended what was interpreted, but I can understand why it is frustrating for a veteran. And Starks is supposed to be one of the good ones!
It may not have been the comment itself. For all we know, Starks was explicitly told not to do it, or that idea in particular was knocked back for being juvenile. If it was impromptu, I totally understand why a babyface feels annoyed being put in the position of being a punk by a guy that you were intending to give the rub to later.
There was a small disagreement that was over after 5 seconds, a handshake, and an agreement to watch what they say.
Then Meltzer completely blows it out of proportion.
Evil Vito 10:23 AM 10-18-2023
Sting is probably announcing the beginning of his retirement tour tonight. Hopefully they can find a way to get him in the ring with anyone left he might want to face, even if he's mostly just gonna do tag stuff until his final match.
My best guess is that he'll have his final tag match with Darby at Revolution 2024 (no date announced yet but March 3rd would track with recent years) and then his actual retirement match, presumably a singles match with Darby, on the March 20th Dynamite.
March 20th is Sting's 65th birthday, would allow him to headline a show on a Turner network which makes for a logical conclusion for him. And TK will hopefully do what he has to to let it be a commercial-free main event.
My best guess is that he'll have his final tag match with Darby at Revolution 2024 (no date announced yet but March 3rd would track with recent years) and then his actual retirement match, presumably a singles match with Darby, on the March 20th Dynamite.
March 20th is Sting's 65th birthday, would allow him to headline a show on a Turner network which makes for a logical conclusion for him. And TK will hopefully do what he has to to let it be a commercial-free main event.
#1-norm-fan 11:26 AM 10-18-2023
Originally Posted by Evil Vito:
March 20th is Sting's 6th birthday
Insane how much he’s accomplished already.March 20th is Sting's 6th birthday
Evil Vito 11:45 AM 10-18-2023
Originally Posted by #1-norm-fan:
Insane how much he’s accomplished already.
Insane how much he’s accomplished already.
fuck
Evil Vito 11:46 AM 10-18-2023
65 though, god damn. glad he's had this last run
Evil Vito 11:46 AM 10-18-2023
plot twist: Sting doesn't announce his retirement, instead just says he was thinking about diving off of a roof
Mr. Nerfect 03:03 PM 10-18-2023
Originally Posted by Splaya:
Or....
There was a small disagreement that was over after 5 seconds, a handshake, and an agreement to watch what they say.
Then Meltzer completely blows it out of proportion.
It could be small or large. It’s AEW, so you know it’s going t be handled well by adults.Or....
There was a small disagreement that was over after 5 seconds, a handshake, and an agreement to watch what they say.
Then Meltzer completely blows it out of proportion.
Mr. Nerfect 04:21 PM 10-19-2023
Lol, Jericho has gone out there and made an ass out of himself and AEW again re: ratings.
xrodmuc316 07:41 PM 10-19-2023
Jericho literally said what the Cultist said lol
Originally Posted by :
WWE HAD TO USE THEIR STARS ON THEIR OWN SHOW, COWARDS!!!
THAT IS NOT FAIR FOR THEM TO USE WWE STARS TO GET RATINGS! BESIDES OUR SHOW WAS BETTER WE HAD ME CHRIS JERICHO, EDGE, CHRISTIAN, SARAYA, STING, ADAM COLE, AND RUBY RIOT!!!!
WWE HAD TO USE THEIR STARS ON THEIR OWN SHOW, COWARDS!!!
THAT IS NOT FAIR FOR THEM TO USE WWE STARS TO GET RATINGS! BESIDES OUR SHOW WAS BETTER WE HAD ME CHRIS JERICHO, EDGE, CHRISTIAN, SARAYA, STING, ADAM COLE, AND RUBY RIOT!!!!
Mr. Nerfect 09:41 AM 10-20-2023
It’s not doing them any good.
xrodmuc316 05:28 PM 10-20-2023
Another thing for Jericho to spin...
Mr. Nerfect 05:48 PM 10-20-2023
One of the weirdest things as a wrestler has to be performing in front of small crowds and pretending they are big. And it’s got to be hard as a wrestling fan to go to shows hardly anyone is at and pretend it’s hot shit.
Mr. Nerfect 07:22 PM 10-20-2023
Brock Anderson is reportedly gone from AEW. Add him to the list of guys with tons of potential that AEW has no clue how to develop. I think it’s pretty likely he goes to NXT and Arn ends up back in WWE, possibly being used to forward Cody’s “story.”
Verbose Minch 04:24 PM 10-21-2023
Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect:
Brock Anderson is reportedly gone from AEW. Add him to the list of guys with tons of potential that AEW has no clue how to develop. I think it’s pretty likely he goes to NXT and Arn ends up back in WWE, possibly being used to forward Cody’s “story.”
Brock Anderson does not have "tons of potential". He looks like a high school shop teacher.Brock Anderson is reportedly gone from AEW. Add him to the list of guys with tons of potential that AEW has no clue how to develop. I think it’s pretty likely he goes to NXT and Arn ends up back in WWE, possibly being used to forward Cody’s “story.”
Mr. Nerfect 04:58 PM 10-21-2023
Originally Posted by Verbose Minch:
Brock Anderson does not have "tons of potential". He looks like a high school shop teacher.
Yeah, what a shame an Anderson looks like that.Brock Anderson does not have "tons of potential". He looks like a high school shop teacher.
screech 07:27 PM 10-21-2023
Originally Posted by Verbose Minch:
Brock Anderson does not have "tons of potential". He looks like a high school shop teacher.
You have to remember that Noid has fantasy booked both Val Venis and Doug Basham to win the world title so he's not the best judge of talent lolBrock Anderson does not have "tons of potential". He looks like a high school shop teacher.
Splaya 09:08 PM 10-21-2023
Originally Posted by screech:
You have to remember that Noid has fantasy booked both Val Venis and Doug Basham to win the world title so he's not the best judge of talent lol
As someone who is currently watching RAW's from 1998, Venis had the potential to be pushed to the moon...You have to remember that Noid has fantasy booked both Val Venis and Doug Basham to win the world title so he's not the best judge of talent lol
So while I don't normally agree with him, A Val Venis world title run I would not have hated. He needed to be pushed in the 2004-2007 range, not when he was pushed.
Doug Basham though??? HARD PASS
Mr. Nerfect 09:54 PM 10-21-2023
Originally Posted by screech:
You have to remember that Noid has fantasy booked both Val Venis and Doug Basham to win the world title so he's not the best judge of talent lol
Lol, didn’t your Paul Heyman faction have Test and Big Show in it?You have to remember that Noid has fantasy booked both Val Venis and Doug Basham to win the world title so he's not the best judge of talent lol
Mr. Nerfect 10:00 PM 10-21-2023
Doug Basham was great. 2/3 Falls with Nick Dinsmore. Would get over 4.5 stars if it happened today. That whole OVW period was really good. Critically lauded but overlooked by many because a lot of the key players got lost to history.
Basham knew how to work and carry himself as a heel. Would add lots of great detail to what he was doing. If he was up against a jobber, for example, he would walk up to them and slap them with his left hand, which is cheeky as fuck because they’re not expecting it from that side.
That whole period is full of guys with really great bases. You don’t get that much these days. Most wrestlers can’t even throw a punch.
A lot of people also confuse what someone gets to show off with what they could potentially do. A 10-minute TV match was not “get your shit in” like today. And wrestlers back then were still calling it in the ring.
Basham knew how to work and carry himself as a heel. Would add lots of great detail to what he was doing. If he was up against a jobber, for example, he would walk up to them and slap them with his left hand, which is cheeky as fuck because they’re not expecting it from that side.
That whole period is full of guys with really great bases. You don’t get that much these days. Most wrestlers can’t even throw a punch.
A lot of people also confuse what someone gets to show off with what they could potentially do. A 10-minute TV match was not “get your shit in” like today. And wrestlers back then were still calling it in the ring.
Mr. Nerfect 10:02 PM 10-21-2023
If Doug Basham had come up with the whole Revolution gimmick — Victoria or Nikita by his side as a valet, long hair, cool entrance, etc. — he could have at least been an IC or US Champion in the 2002-2004 period. Could have had a nice little feud with Ric Flair while he was doing the running Raw thing.
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