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Old 02-10-2005, 05:08 PM   #1
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Jericho vs HHH at Wrestlemania 17 i think. The one that turned into Steph vs HHH

Could have been built up great given the history with the two but instead it was the worst build up to a WM mainevent event ever.

This was the one where they killed HHH's dog
it was Wrestlemania X-8
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Old 02-10-2005, 05:19 PM   #2
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Rikishi being the one who run over Austin. It was the absolute perfect angle, then they turned it into a shit one by making Rikishi the guy who done it.
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Old 02-13-2005, 02:46 PM   #3
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Anything after the close of WCW, to present time. Invasion, nWo, Draft lottery, Jericho's main event push, Guerrero's title run, turning Orton face too quickly, not pushing guys who aren't 6'4"+ 300+lbs., etc. etc.

The invasion and the nWo were two of the lowest points for me. The invasion was every wrestling fans wet dream, and seemed damn near impossible to screw up, but Vince found a way. I thought for sure that he of all people would understand that to make the angle work, the WWE had to appear weak and vulnerable. And a we all know, not having the top WCW stars from the start really hurt. Booker T and DDP were the only two main event guys that came over quickly. They should of had the Alliance taking out the WWE's top guys by sneak attack, or just interupting their match and jumping them. The alliance needed to be built up as a legit threat and it wasn't, and that is what killed the whole angle completely.

As for the nwo... it could have worked again. The main key to the groups first run was the kayfabe of it. At the time, the internet was still fairly new, a lot of us, including myself, were marks. So when two of the most recognizable WWF guys show up on WCW and say, "You want a war? You got one." everyone thought that the WWF was invading WCW. That gave WCW the early momentum to run with it. It wasn't until about a month after Scott Hall showed up that Vince acknowledged Nitro and said that Hall and Nash were not speaking for WWF. By that time it didn't matter though. And even if it did, the angle was played off so convincingly that people thought that Hall and Nash left the WWF to go war with WCW. Ahhh to be young and foolish....

Anyway, the WWE did not have the kayfabe to go off of. But the angle still could of worked. Again, the nwo had to be made to appear as a legit threat. Of course, they were not. As said already, Hall was a joke, Nash did nothing, and Hogan quickly abandoned the idea. Having Triple H or Shawn Michaels join the group early on, may have saved it. Oh well.
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Old 02-13-2005, 10:49 PM   #4
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Anything after the close of WCW, to present time. Invasion, nWo, Draft lottery, Jericho's main event push, Guerrero's title run, turning Orton face too quickly, not pushing guys who aren't 6'4"+ 300+lbs., etc. etc.

The invasion and the nWo were two of the lowest points for me. The invasion was every wrestling fans wet dream, and seemed damn near impossible to screw up, but Vince found a way. I thought for sure that he of all people would understand that to make the angle work, the WWE had to appear weak and vulnerable. And a we all know, not having the top WCW stars from the start really hurt. Booker T and DDP were the only two main event guys that came over quickly. They should of had the Alliance taking out the WWE's top guys by sneak attack, or just interupting their match and jumping them. The alliance needed to be built up as a legit threat and it wasn't, and that is what killed the whole angle completely.

As for the nwo... it could have worked again. The main key to the groups first run was the kayfabe of it. At the time, the internet was still fairly new, a lot of us, including myself, were marks. So when two of the most recognizable WWF guys show up on WCW and say, "You want a war? You got one." everyone thought that the WWF was invading WCW. That gave WCW the early momentum to run with it. It wasn't until about a month after Scott Hall showed up that Vince acknowledged Nitro and said that Hall and Nash were not speaking for WWF. By that time it didn't matter though. And even if it did, the angle was played off so convincingly that people thought that Hall and Nash left the WWF to go war with WCW. Ahhh to be young and foolish....

Anyway, the WWE did not have the kayfabe to go off of. But the angle still could of worked. Again, the nwo had to be made to appear as a legit threat. Of course, they were not. As said already, Hall was a joke, Nash did nothing, and Hogan quickly abandoned the idea. Having Triple H or Shawn Michaels join the group early on, may have saved it. Oh well.
I totally agree man. Like I said...it seems like just now the WWE is sorta getting on track, but not really. After WCW closed..the WWE was in absolute limbo with storylines. They created crap, dropped most of it, and just jumped from one crap to another crap. I barely even watched it during that time period. I just started watching it against a few months ago when I was in college and say Randy Orton, Batista, Cena, and everyone else.
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Old 02-10-2005, 05:28 PM   #5
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that angle could have literally made anybody. They gave the ball to Rikishi and he could have run with it.

"I did it. I did it for the Rock."

Then they dropped the ball with him instead of making him. They could have atleast changed his attire when he turned heel.
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Old 02-10-2005, 05:32 PM   #6
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I wish they made it Test who was the one who done it. I've always thought if they pushed him right he could have made one hell of a main event guy.
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Old 02-10-2005, 05:36 PM   #7
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First, Test woulda had to have been a solid midcard guy though.
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Old 02-10-2005, 05:46 PM   #8
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First, Test woulda had to have been a solid midcard guy though.
I think if they had pushed him in the weeks leading up to finding out who it was, getting some victories over upper-mid card guys or whatever, then I think it would have worked.
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Old 02-10-2005, 05:37 PM   #9
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It should have been the Rock who ran over Austin, there.

As much as everyone loved Rock back then, no way in hell they'd pick him over Stone Cold.

Also, Rikishi did get one of the lamest theme songs ever...."I'm a bad man"
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Old 02-10-2005, 05:42 PM   #10
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On the subject of Angle as GM... do not forget... it is because of HIM that JBL is the champion. He made the ruling in the bullrope match thing. Yet not a word of this was brought up during his little title run last month. It could have made some great stuff.
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Old 02-10-2005, 06:27 PM   #11
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The INVASION angle would have been succesfull if WCW used it's top stars: Hogan, Nash, Hall, Goldberg, and Sting. It could have rocked
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Old 02-11-2005, 05:42 PM   #12
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I always wondered why they never went back to Austin/Rock in 2001. After Austin turned heel at WM X-7, I waited all year for the Rock to come back and feud with Austin and get his rematch, but they gave Rock......Booker T. And the only time Rock and Austin faced each other afterwards was when they were the final two at the Survivor Series. Then they were both face, and no chance until Rock came back as a heel.
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Old 02-11-2005, 06:47 PM   #13
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I beg to differ. When the Rock 1st came back that year, there was speculation as to whether he was going 2 WWF or WCW. Simply because it was Vince who indefinatly suspended him the night after WMX7. And before the Survivor Series, The Rock and Austin sang Margarittaville, and at the end they shook hands. Rock pulls Austin in and says 'The Rock will never, EVER forget' and gives him the Rock Bottom. Which showed that the Rock was still hot about the turn. So technically they didnt drop the ball
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Old 02-12-2005, 10:08 AM   #14
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potential to be somethin big but instead it was forgotten.
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Old 02-13-2005, 03:14 PM   #15
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potential to be somethin big but instead it was forgotten.
Not to mention GTV.

The biggest ball drop that I've noticed not being mentioned is Kane. There are bigger angles that were totally butchered (IE, InVasion, which is definitely my #1), but I'm surprised no-one brought it up.

First off, the smaller one IMO was Kane's "secret." Which turned out to be that he once went to a frat party (while horribly scarred and living to his basement). That alone was enough to crush the angle, so I won't get into the resulting footage.

Second off, and the real problem is the unmasking of Kane. I cringed at the notion, but it seemed like revamping him as a new psychotic engine of destruction was going to take off, and the angle built up steam. Tombstone to Linda? Awesome way to make him look sick and depraved. And who could stop him?

Oh yeah. Shane McMahon. Instant death to his badass-ness.
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Second off, and the real problem is the unmasking of Kane. I cringed at the notion, but it seemed like revamping him as a new psychotic engine of destruction was going to take off, and the angle built up steam. Tombstone to Linda? Awesome way to make him look sick and depraved. And who could stop him?

Oh yeah. Shane McMahon. Instant death to his badass-ness.
Very true.

He chokeslams Bischoff off the ramp while Evolution runs from him. He beats down Stone Cold. He tombstones Linda. Then Shane gets the best of him.
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potential to be somethin big but instead it was forgotten.
I dunno if he's alive or retired but maybe it was Stevie Ray
failing that, It would probably have been some crap like his parol officer or a witness to a 'crime' he did years ago and they introduce some new guy through it.
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Old 02-13-2005, 10:42 PM   #18
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anyway it had potential to be anything...that is where the surprise and the goodness lies. It could of been the biggest flop or one huge thing but instead we get nothing. and I agree with KK on Kane.
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What the fuck happened to Val Venis/Chief Morley?
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What the fuck happened to Val Venis/Chief Morley?
He's jobbing away on Heat.
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