TNA is terrible

[The One]

WHY WHY WHY!

I don't understand were all the distaste of TNA comes from. OK, some of you might have a point about Jarrett holding the title too long, hell I am one of like 3 Double J Marks on the internet I guess, and even I think he should have dropped the title by now, but other then that I don't see where you guys get off on down talking what is right now the best thing in Main Stream Professional Wrestling. (I highlighted main stream as to avoid any Japan, Mexico, RoH, or other indy fights)

Is Monty Brown great on the stick? Hell no! You got it right, but he is charismatic and energetic. I have been probably TPWW's TNA's biggest supporter from the get-go. I ordered every single one of their weekly PPVs, I own all the TNA DVDs, I do my part to keep the company afloat. I love TNA. I make no secert about it I think TNA has been better then WWE for about a year now. And until recently I was fairly sure this was an opinion exclusive to me...however I was pleasently shocked. My circle of friends stopped watching wrestling regularly about WrestleMania X-8, they pciked up maybe one a month since then, and the same comments are heard from all of them, "WWF Sucks!" (they still wont call it E) Anyway I was sitting on my ass 2 weeks ago watching the Victory Road DVD, when my buddy Mark walked in, he BEGGED me to borrow the DVD, he showed all my other friends the entire PPV, and sicne then my circle of friends (once former fans) have picked up watching TNA and for 2 weeks all I have heard is "Can I borrow this DVD?" or "Why did you keep this from us?!" TNA is good wrestling.

The X-Division, yes it's a spotfest, but thats what the Cruiserweight Division in WCW turned into during the prime years, and everyone LOVED the cruisers. Let it be what it is. I don't know where I read it or who said it, but the comments about DDP and being shocked that he doesn't get X-Pac heat...what a joke. DDP is over with the fans, People love the Original People's Champ. And I am excited that DDP might take the title from Jarrett at DX. While we're on the topic of DX, I think it's great that these guys (Outlaw, James, Waltman) are getting a chance to shine again. Being that I am somewhat of a Billy Gunn fan (understatment I'm sure) I love seeing him involved in big match ups. I know TNA is failing financially right now, but all companies do in the starting stages. I don't think having Jarrett or Rhodes be in charge is what's best, they need a young ambitious leader backstage to be booking and promoting, but those arn't always easy to find.

Is it perfect? No. Not by a long shot. But if you sit down and look at your options, RAW, SmackDown!, or IMPACT...for my time I would spend it watching TNA.

[Kane Knight]

Raw: Good storylines, jerk at the top, okay wrestling.

Smackdown: Okay storylines, Jerk at the top, okay wrestling with a few shine-through moments.

TNA: What storylines, Jerk at the top, and great wrestling interspersed with crap that makes the WWE look great. Apologist fanboys who say that Monty's shit on the mic, but what he lacks in mic work and ring skill he makes up for with energy.

If I only watched wrestling for pure athleticism, I might agree with your assessment. But this isn't a sport. It's entertainment. Macho, athletic driven entertainment, but it needs drama to drive it, or it's just what all the naysayers criticise it for being: A fake sport.

TNA feels that way to me, because of all the garbage that goes in as well. I like the X-Division, though it is a spotfest. I like a lot of the wrestlers. But when I see my hour a week eaten up by Dusty Rhodes and Jeff Jarrett, I start to wonder how much is going to be left over for the real talent the TNA locker room has to offer.

[James Steele]

I know I am beating a horse thats been dead oh... *checks watch* about 6-7 months, but I channel TV whenever the main eventers show up. Then I flip it back on if they have AJ or Daniels on. Seriously, I can handle DDP (just because he helped be do YOGA ) but all their other main eventers are just pure shit.

I have said this so many damn times I am starting to sound like TNA's World Title matches. Jeff Jarrett is going to kill TNA unless he realizes nobody gives a fuck about him. Jeff Jarrett is not loved/hated enough to be a World Champion on a Bruno Sammartino scale. My main problem with TNA is whats wrong with the WWE.

They have some of the best talent in the world, but they are stuck in the midcard. Seriously, what the hell is AJ Styles doing in the X-Division? Yeah, he is not a name known to everyone, but he would be a name to all extremely quick. He has the talent, decent charisma, and already has a past in TNA. Plus, TNA is going overboard with the "Authority Figure" thing and I think its worse than WWE's overuse of authority back in the day, and that leads to their biggest on-screen problem. (which is also WWE's biggest on-screen problem) Writing, or lack thereof. How many damn times can we see this order of events every month:

1) JJ Beats Opponent At PPV
2) Comes out to boast but Dusty comes out and names opponent for next PPV
3) JJ and Opponent talk shit to each other with the occasional brawl
4) See Step 1
5) Repeat

Politics and Writing are going to be the cause of TNA's demise. Unless they realize that: a) feuds can be done without the Authority Figure making them and b) nobody thinks JJ is god's gift to wrestling. (Except that one ignorant ass who's name I can't recall)

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by JamesSteele I know I am beating a horse thats been dead oh... *checks watch* about 6-7 months, but I channel TV whenever the main eventers show up. Then I flip it back on if they have AJ or Daniels on. Seriously, I can handle DDP (just because he helped be do YOGA ) but all their other main eventers are just pure shit.

With DDP, I can put up with him, but it's less that Ihe's great and more that I tolerate him. He's not totally boring. Though I'm getting REALLY sick of hearing "Self High Five" in his theme.

I have said this so many damn times I am starting to sound like TNA's World Title matches.

LMAO!

They have some of the best talent in the world, but they are stuck in the midcard. Seriously, what the hell is AJ Styles doing in the X-Division? Yeah, he is not a name known to everyone, but he would be a name to all extremely quick. He has the talent, decent charisma, and already has a past in TNA. Plus, TNA is going overboard with the "Authority Figure" thing and I think its worse than WWE's overuse of authority back in the day, and that leads to their biggest on-screen problem. (which is also WWE's biggest on-screen problem) Writing, or lack thereof. How many damn times can we see this order of events every month:

They're as lazy as the WWE, and that's the problem. WWE is a monopoly. They can afford to be lazy. TNA is not.

1) JJ Beats Opponent At PPV 2) Comes out to boast but Dusty comes out and names opponent for next PPV 3) JJ and Opponent talk shit to each other with the occasional brawl 4) See Step 1 5) Repeat

Yeah. It's a little too overdone.

Politics and Writing are going to be the cause of TNA's demise. Unless they realize that: a) feuds can be done without the Authority Figure making them and b) nobody thinks JJ is god's gift to wrestling. (Except that one ignorant ass who's name I can't recall)

Politics and lack of writing. Dusty doing the ad hoc matches really kills any chance of feuds. Jeff Jarrett kills any chance of interest. It's like WCW, except their has-been champ was sometimes interesting.

[Crippler 666]

Like ANY wrestling federation you have to give it time. TNA is young compared to some of the other federations.

Most of the stars arent regular due to travelling, wages and so on...

At least TNA has something that has been missing from the WWE for a long time now...

Wrestling... the WWE stars only ever do about 12 moves at a main event... do the moves repeat... same moves week in week out (you can understand talent such as Batista who hasnt been wrestling as long as some) but Jericho, Benoit, Undertaker, Bradshaw, ETC

Almost the whole roster has proved themselves on other federations... Just look at RVD vs Lynn How can you even say they are the same wrestlers?

How can anyone moan over storylines, wrestling ability and length of championship holder without first looking at the WWE?

How crap was the Snitsky vs Kane plot?
Angle vs Bradshaw vs Big Show (who didn't see the set up coming)?
HHH vs Batista (who didn't know it was HHH setting him up)?
The same people in the plots?
The same storylines repeated?

Why when you have a large roster such as the WWE do we only have the same 4 or 5 people going for the title all year?
Why when the title does occasionally change hands does the old champion win it back at the next event (HHH mainly thou)?

How can you moan over Jeff Jarret being the champ for so long when you have HHH (who is attached to the belt genetically) and Bradshaw (who was good at Tag Team but crap singles)?

Before anyone moans they should probably look at the imperfections of the WWE before passing comment.
Maybe the answer is that if TNA had have the revenue of the WWE then lets see what happens...

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Crippler 666 Like ANY wrestling federation you have to give it time. TNA is young compared to some of the other federations.

If they last long enough. If they're going like this, they won't.

At least TNA has something that has been missing from the WWE for a long time now... Wrestling... the WWE stars only ever do about 12 moves at a main event... do the moves repeat... same moves week in week out (you can understand talent such as Batista who hasnt been wrestling as long as some) but Jericho, Benoit, Undertaker, Bradshaw, ETC

Except the Main eventers in TNA are just as Guilty. Jarrett's hardly the epitome of innovation.

Almost the whole roster has proved themselves on other federations... Just look at RVD vs Lynn How can you even say they are the same wrestlers?

They've proved themselves elsewhere...So what? That doesn't make TNA any better, it makes it worse for not using such talent.

How can anyone moan over storylines, wrestling ability and length of championship holder without first looking at the WWE? How crap was the Snitsky vs Kane plot? Angle vs Bradshaw vs Big Show (who didn't see the set up coming)? HHH vs Batista (who didn't know it was HHH setting him up)? The same people in the plots? The same storylines repeated?

Oop! You got us. There are some bad storylines in the WWE. That gives us no right to bitch about there being NO good storylines in TNA. Or even storylines period.

Now, were'(At least I'm not) claiming the WWE is great on storylines. I'm saying the WWE sucks, but TNA sucks more. In fact, I liked the Batista plot. Oh my God, I saw it coming! That's not because of the great build they gave it, hyping the tension between Triple H and Batista, no no no. It must be because the WWE SUXORZ!

Why when you have a large roster such as the WWE do we only have the same 4 or 5 people going for the title all year?

Again, what difference does it make if the smaller TNA is doing the same thing?

Why when the title does occasionally change hands does the old champion win it back at the next event (HHH mainly thou)?

But at least they've had Orton and Guerrero and Benoit AS Champions. Nobody's claiming the WWE is perfect, just that TNA is worse.

How can you moan over Jeff Jarret being the champ for so long when you have HHH (who is attached to the belt genetically) and Bradshaw (who was good at Tag Team but crap singles)?

And yet, Triple H has dropped the belt more than JJ. And since JBL will likely drop his title at WM, he'll be ahead of the game as well.

In other words, if all you're going to do is defend TNA by pretending we should give a shit because the WWE is crappy, please stop ignoring the fact that TNA is just as bad on many counts, worse on some, and doesn't really feature much of the excellent talent it has on the roster.

In other words, shut the fuck up until you have an argument that's a little less retarded.

[Bad Company]

I just saw TNA for the first time on TV. Shitty as.

[BlackDawn2024]

TNA is poo. Yes, that's right, poo.

They've just got no direction at all. They spend all this damn time worrying about whether or not Billy Gunn has a name in TNA. Who gives a shit? Billy Gunn sucks(hard, I might add). Why waste time and money(and Don West's voice) on Nash and Hall? They're washed up has-beens who TNA is just using because they can.

Wait, I'm channeling Don West...

Don West: And listen to me, Mike Tenay, I mean it when I say it and I mean what I say...ohmygod it's KEVIN NASH!!! AND SCOT HALL IN THE RING OOOOMMMMMIIIIIGOOOODDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!! *DIES*

Back on topic.

It's ridiculous. I now find myself forgetting that TNA is on, and not caring that I forgot. Even when I do remember, I only watch for Styles, any X-Division and Raven. Of course, when TNA uses Raven the way they have been, it's kind of hard to use him.

Wait, Don West is back!!

Don West: Wait a minute!!! Here comes Jeff Jarret to the ring and...erm....monkey poop!!!!!!! OHHMIGODDD!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, the roster is an even bigger problem. When you look at TNA's roster, it's obvious what you really have in terms of talent. You've got the talented people...

Styles
Raven
Michael Shane
Daniels
Sabin
The Naturals(say what you will, but I think they're great)
AMW
Killings

And, you know what, I couldn't think of anymore. And you'll also notice that 4 of those guys are X-Division. Then, you have the non-talented people.

SEE: Rest of TNA roster(that includes you, Jeff Hardy)

I could go on and on, but you catch my drift. So, in closing...

TNA=

Wait, I have enough strength for one more message from Don West.

Don West: Just listen to these fans, Mike Tenay, they want to see....wait, it's AJ Styles!!!! Jerk me OFFF!!!!! Ohhmygod!!!!!!! Oh you've GOT TO BE KIIDDDDDDDINNGG MEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

[Boondock Saint]

Originally Posted by BlackDawn2024 TNA is poo. Yes, that's right, poo. They've just got no direction at all. They spend all this damn time worrying about whether or not Billy Gunn has a name in TNA. Who gives a shit? Billy Gunn sucks(hard, I might add). Why waste time and money(and Don West's voice) on Nash and Hall? They're washed up has-beens who TNA is just using because they can. Wait, I'm channeling Don West... Don West: And listen to me, Mike Tenay, I mean it when I say it and I mean what I say...ohmygod it's KEVIN NASH!!! AND SCOT HALL IN THE RING OOOOMMMMMIIIIIGOOOODDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!! *DIES* Back on topic. It's ridiculous. I now find myself forgetting that TNA is on, and not caring that I forgot. Even when I do remember, I only watch for Styles, any X-Division and Raven. Of course, when TNA uses Raven the way they have been, it's kind of hard to use him. Wait, Don West is back!! Don West: Wait a minute!!! Here comes Jeff Jarret to the ring and...erm....monkey poop!!!!!!! OHHMIGODDD!!!!!!!!!!! Now, the roster is an even bigger problem. When you look at TNA's roster, it's obvious what you really have in terms of talent. You've got the talented people... Styles Raven Michael Shane Daniels Sabin The Naturals(say what you will, but I think they're great) AMW Killings And, you know what, I couldn't think of anymore. And you'll also notice that 4 of those guys are X-Division. Then, you have the non-talented people. SEE: Rest of TNA roster(that includes you, Jeff Hardy) I could go on and on, but you catch my drift. So, in closing... TNA= Wait, I have enough strength for one more message from Don West. Don West: Just listen to these fans, Mike Tenay, they want to see....wait, it's AJ Styles!!!! Jerk me OFFF!!!!! Ohhmygod!!!!!!! Oh you've GOT TO BE KIIDDDDDDDINNGG MEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

I'd add Elix Skipper to your list of good talent.

But yeah, I'm with you. I forget that it's on and I don't even care. It's a shame too, because I really want to enjoy it.

[BlackDawn2024]

Originally Posted by Boondock Saint I'd add Elix Skipper to your list of good talent. But yeah, I'm with you. I forget that it's on and I don't even care. It's a shame too, because I really want to enjoy it.

Ah, yes, forgot about Skipper. Thanks Boondock.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Boondock Saint I'd add Elix Skipper to your list of good talent. But yeah, I'm with you. I forget that it's on and I don't even care. It's a shame too, because I really want to enjoy it.

Join the Club. I want someone to come along and be a viable WWE alternative. I want to see a showcase of wrestling talent. I want a good production out of good performers, and TNA lets me down. Whidch is a shame, because it has some amazing talent.

I really want them to succeed, but I don't think they stand a chance.

[BlackDawn2024]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Join the Club. I want someone to come along and be a viable WWE alternative. I want to see a showcase of wrestling talent. I want a good production out of good performers, and TNA lets me down. Whidch is a shame, because it has some amazing talent. I really want them to succeed, but I don't think they stand a chance.

Exactly. If TNA could learn to use their talent right, they could be huge. Put Styles back in the World Title scene. I mean, come on, he's done all he can with the X-Title. He's won it, what, four times now, right? That's enough. He's proven what he can do in that division.

Not right away, though. Don't rush it. I'd say have Styles keep the X-Title for another month or two, then drop it to Sabin. Sabin really deserves it right now. He's worked his ass off putting on some of the best matches that Impact has seen(and that number isn't very high), is a great worker, and could really do some good if you put the X-Title back on him.

I don't know, it just seems like Styles is wasted in the X-Division now. He's proven he can hang in the heavyweight division, so why keep shifting him around? Just like everything else TNA does, it makes no sense.

As for the Jarret hogging the title thing, yeah, it's getting old. I swear to god, if TNA doesn't stop burying their main eventers, I'm gonna scream. Jesus, you had a fucking chance to give the belt to someone else plenty of times. So why not give it to Nash?

But, seriously, you've had plenty of chances to give it to someone else. Hell, I think Monty Brown is a total waste of space, but I'd even like it if the belt went to him. Jesus, give it to fucking Kid Kash for all I give a damn. But unless TNA stops jizzing all over Jarret, it's gonna be a long time before their competition for anybody.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by BlackDawn2024 Exactly. If TNA could learn to use their talent right, they could be huge. Put Styles back in the World Title scene. I mean, come on, he's done all he can with the X-Title. He's won it, what, four times now, right? That's enough. He's proven what he can do in that division.

And therein is the biggest problem. IF they use their talent, they COULD be huge.

[Shadow]

Put it on the company dog. I don't care who they put the title on. Just as long as it's not Jarret.

[John la Rock]

Jarrett as champ is a joke. They book him like a Rock, Austin type guy. great business

and who ever said that DDP is the original people's champ needs to get slapped. Have you ever heard of a wrestler named Dwayne Johnson aka THE ROCK? There is a reason why he's a succesfull movie star right now

[McLegend]

Originally Posted by John la Rock Jarrett as champ is a joke. They book him like a Rock, Austin type guy. great business and who ever said that DDP is the original people's champ needs to get slapped. Have you ever heard of a wrestler named Dwayne Johnson aka THE ROCK? There is a reason why he's a succesfull movie star right now

Actually I think DDP said he was the people's champ before the Rock. Even though whenever you say People's champ you think of the Rock and not DDP.

Or at least I do

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by legend Actually I think DDP said he was the people's champ before the Rock. Even though whenever you say People's champ you think of the Rock and not DDP. Or at least I do

Yeah, but why let history get in the way of hero worship?

[McLegend]

Hero worship before history

[Kane Knight]

Fo Shizzle. The Rock invented the Elbow drop.

[McLegend]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Fo Shizzle. The Rock invented the Elbow drop.

He didn't invent it, but he perfected it

[McLegend]

TNA does put on better matches then the WWE does or at least most of the time they do, and better PPV's as well.

Which has pretty much already been said.

[Kane Knight]

When they're not putting forth crpa matches with has-beens in hopes of drawing power, TNA puts on some really superior matches (With respect to the WWE product). The problem is they don't do enough of it.