Ric Flair says the most outlandish things part deuce: - Page 2

**Normal Is Me** · 04-02-2005, 06:33 PM

Fuck Flair. Ric Flair can DRAW in North Carolina. Outside of Flair Country he can't draw worth shit on a regular basis.

Bret Hart can DRAW huge in Canada. But he could also puts up strong buys ANYWHERE else on a regular basis.

**Loose Cannon** · 04-02-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerard

omg comparing who has more fans and people actually believe they can back an argument like that up on "facts". Yeah lets get the fans world wide to stand outside their homes and count them all shall we.

Fans for flair on the left and on the right for bret please.

yea, it's called House Show numbers, ticket numbers, PPV numbers, etc etc etc.

This isn't the 1940's. The Neilson's doesn't make people stand outside there homes to count how many of those people are watching Raw on Monday Nights.

We're not arguing who has more fans anyway. We're arguing the fact that some believe Bret actually didn't draw.

**PureHatred** · 04-02-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by redoneja

Saying that the period of Bret Hart's supremacy was an embarrassment? That's ludicrous, Hart had good matches with EVERYONE from 1992-1997. Hart wrestled a good match with ADAM FUCKING BOMB!!!!.

From a business standpoint, it was an embarassment. To reiterate, the WWF didn't go from playing the Pontiac Silverdome to Caesar's Palace a few years later because Caesar's was more 'cozy.'

**Gerard** · 04-02-2005, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

We're not arguing who has more fans anyway. Read the thread.

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Originally Posted by Gouda

I'd wager that Flair has way more fans than Bret.

Not that I'm bashing Bret. I am a Bret fan.

Maybe you should try "reading the thread" some people were arguing about what i was talking about.

**McLegend** · 04-02-2005, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerard

Maybe you should try "reading the thread" some people were arguing about what i was talking about.

Yeah but the majority of post have been about being a big draw not who has the most fans.

Bret though did keep the WWF alive before Austin got big.

**Loose Cannon** · 04-02-2005, 06:42 PM

alright, my bad. The main argument is what I said anyway.

**redoneja** · 04-02-2005, 06:43 PM

Since when did arena quality have to do with putting on a solid show? I'm not trying to defend WM IX but if wrestling in front of 93,000 people = greatness then ECW and RoH are pieces of shit.

**Gerard** · 04-02-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by legend

Yeah but the majority of post have been about being a big draw not who has the most fans.

Meh, i just found the fact of people trying to argue who has more fans amusing.

**Normal Is Me** · 04-02-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PureHatred

From a business standpoint, it was an embarassment. To reiterate, the WWF didn't go from playing the Pontiac Silverdome to Caesar's Palace a few years later because Caesar's was more 'cozy.'

The wrestling FAD was over to all the casual people... Just like the reality TV show FAD are thankfully starting to die.

**PureHatred** · 04-02-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerard

I think flair takes every interview as a chance to constantly bash people, he's gonna end up getting the shit kicked out of him for pulling this crap time and time again.

Since you're only contribution to this topic was this pearl of wisdon (omg, Ric shuld b quiet be4 he gets beat up!!!111111roxorz), why don't you just sit there and try not to hurt yourself.

**Gerard** · 04-02-2005, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PureHatred

Since you're only contribution to this topic was this pearl of wisdon (omg, Ric shuld b quiet be4 he gets beat up!!!111111roxorz), why don't you just sit there and try not to hurt yourself.

So saying someone could get tired of his bs and ending up punching him is "so totally not gonna happen" in your mind despite the kind of "sport" theyre involved in.

**PureHatred** · 04-02-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by redoneja

Since when did arena quality have to do with putting on a solid show? I'm not trying to defend WM IX but if wrestling in front of 93,000 people = greatness then ECW and RoH are pieces of shit.

Are you retarded or just trying to piss me off?

The majority of this thread has been about whether or not you could consider Bret Hart draws. The very definition of the term draw is how much money-from ticket sales, PPV buys, ratings, merchandise sales- that a performer generates.

We're not talking about workrate. We're talking money. Please catch up.

**redoneja** · 04-02-2005, 06:52 PM

I totally agree that the "fad"" of wrestling is over for casual fans. Casual fans are what provide boom periods to wrestling. The pure wrestling fan sticks with it throughout, its the casual fan who comes and goes. That's why drawing power does not = greatness. Just because you are a huge draw doesn't mean you can WRESTLE. Look at Bruno Sammartino and Ultimate Warrior. Yes they were HUGE draws but both of them had limited abilites(most people don't realize this about Bruno but IMO its true). Same thing for Hogan.

**Champion of Europa** · 04-02-2005, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vito 22

Ric Flair is the man.

**John la Rock** · 04-02-2005, 08:24 PM

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

**Normal Is Me** · 04-02-2005, 08:48 PM

Here is most, if not all, of Bret Hart's MAIN EVENT ONLY pay per view history. It includes attendance records, who he was facing, etc..

Event: SummerSlam 1992
Date: August 29, 1992
Location: London, England, United Kingdom
Arena: Wembley Stadium
Attendence: 80,355
Main Event: Bret Hart V. British Bulldog

Event: Survivor Series 1992
Date: November 25, 1992
Location: Richfield, Ohio
Arena: Richfield Coliseum
Attendence: 17, 500
Main Event: Bret Hart V. Shawn Michaels

Event: WrestleMania 9
Date: April 4, 1993
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Arena: Caeser's Palace
Attendence: 15,045
Main Event: Bret Hart V. Yokozuna

Event: King of the Ring 1993
Date: June 13, 1993
Location: Dayton, Ohio
Arena: Nutter Center
Attendence: 6,500
Main Event: Bret Hart V. Bam Bam Bigelow

Event: WrestleMania 10
Date: March 20, 1994
Location: New York City, New York
Arena: Madison Square Garden
Attendence: 18,065
Main Event: Yokozuna V. Bret Hart

Event: Survivor Series 1995
Date: November 20, 1995
Location: Landover, Maryland
Arena: USAir Arena
Attendence: 14,500
Main Event: Diesel V. Bret Hart

Event: In Your House #5
Date: December 17, 1995
Location: Hershey, Pennsylvania
Arena: HersheyPark Arena
Attendence: 7,289
Main Event: Bret Hart V. British Bulldog

Event: Royal Rumble 1996
Date: January 21, 1996
Location: Fresno, California
Arena: Selland Arena
Attendence: 9,600
Main Event: Bret Hart V. Undertaker

Event: In Your House #6
Date: February 18, 1996
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
Arena: Louisville Gardens
Attendence: 5,500
Main Event: Bret Hart V. Diesel

Event: WrestleMania 12
Date: March 31, 1996
Location: Anaheim, California
Arena: Arrowhead Pond at Anaheim
Attendence: 18,852
Main Event: Bret Hart V. Shawn Michaels

Event: In Your House #12: "It's Time"
Date: December 15, 1996
Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
Arena: Market Square Arena
Attendence: 9,649
Main Event: Sycho Sid V. Bret Hart

Event: In Your House #13: "The Final Four"
Date: February 16, 1997
Location: Chattanooga, Tennessee
Arena: UTC Arena
Attendence: 6,399
Main Event: Bret Hart V. Steve Austin V. Vader V. Undertaker

Event: In Your House #14: "Taker's Revenge"
Date: April 20, 1997
Location: Rochster, New York
Arena: Memorial Auditorium
Attendence: 6,477
Main Event: Bret Hart V. Steve Austin

Event: In Your House #16: "Canadian Stampede"
Date: July 6, 1997
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Arena: The Saddledome
Attendence: 12,151
Main Event: Hart Foundation V. Austin, LOD, Goldust & Shamrock

Event: SummerSlam 1997: "Hart and Soul"
Date: August 3, 1997
Location: East Rutherford, New Jersey
Arena: Continental Arena
Attendence: 20,213
Main Event: Undertaker V. Bret Hart

Event: Survivor Series 1997: "Gang Rulz"
Date: November 9, 1997
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Arena: Molsen Centre
Attendence: 20,593
Main Event: Bret Hart V. Shawn Michaels

Event: Fall Brawl 1998: "WarGames"
Date: September 13, 1998
Location: Winston-Salem, North Carolina
Arena: Lawrence Joel Coliseum
Attendence: 11,528
Main Event: War Games Match..Hart, DDP, Hogan, Sting, Warrior, Piper, Luger

Event: WCW World War 3 1998
Date: November 22, 1998
Location: Auburn Hills, Michigan
Arena: The Palace at Auburn Hills
Attendence: 17,670
Main Event: Diamond Dallas Page V. Bret Hart

Event: WCW Mayhem 1999
Date: November 21, 1999
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Arena: Air Canada Centre
Attendence: 13,839
Main Event: Bret Hart V. Chris Benoit

And there is a Hart V. Goldberg starrcade main event but the web site for starrcade is done

credit - wrestling information archive http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/wiamain.htm

**Jaded-Dragon** · 04-02-2005, 10:23 PM

Bret Hart was/is a draw. I find it hillarious that one can say that people cheered for him and bought his merchandise, but he wasn't a draw. During the steriod trials they put the belt on Bret to help with PR, but he ended up keeping the belt, and winning it again and again. Why? Because he was a draw that's why. You can't say that he wasn't a draw because he didn't give raw a 6.0 rating. During the time Bret was big it was during a completely different era. It's not Bret's fault that the wrestling industry had yet to hit a sense of realism, and there for aquire most of the fanbase it had during the late 90's. For the time, Bret did draw, and that's why he won the title five times.

As for Flair.... please. Did Flair vs Sting ever put WCW on top of the WWF? No. Did the four horseman? Nope. Flair can say what he wants, but it wasn't until WCW brung in the WWF guys that they got big. Even when Flair went to the WWF, he didn't draw shit.

He really needs to take a look in the mirror before he starts rambling about some things. Either that, or he really is senile.

**Hired Hitman** · 04-02-2005, 10:37 PM

Most people that Lose Respect for flair is because he doesn't say their favourite wrestlers are great.

**Esoteric** · 04-02-2005, 10:42 PM

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He was raised by the Fliehrs -- Dick, a gynecologist

am i the only one found the part about ric flairs father funny and yeah ric flair is a total kiss ass cause we all kno bret is the man

**Kane Knight** · 04-02-2005, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hired Hitman

Most people that Lose Respect for flair is because he doesn't say their favourite wrestlers are great.

More like "because he's a petty old man who slanders everyone who isn't him."

**loopydate** · 04-02-2005, 10:51 PM

^ Yeah, that.

But, honestly, show of hands: Imagine it's 1994. If there were a wrestling show coming to a town two hours away, but you had only $35 in disposable income at the moment. Bret Hart, WWF Champion, is in the main event against Mo from Men on a Mission. The rest of the undercard is pretty bad, with the exception of Barry Horowitz vs. Aldo Montoya. Do you pay the $35 for a seat?

If not, you can't say that Bret Hart is a draw.

**Kane Knight** · 04-02-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by loopydate

^ Yeah, that.

But, honestly, show of hands: Imagine it's 1994. If there were a wrestling show coming to a town two hours away, but you had only $35 in disposable income at the moment. Bret Hart, WWF Champion, is in the main event against Mo from Men on a Mission. The rest of the undercard is pretty bad, with the exception of Barry Horowitz vs. Aldo Montoya. Do you pay the $35 for a seat?

If not, you can't say that Bret Hart is a draw.

Well, first off, I probably wouldn't be going to a wrestling show in 1994 if I only had 35 dollars disposable income. So ignoring that, I'd say no. But then, using me as a model, nobody in the last 20 years has been a draw. EEEEEEEEEver.

**DaveWadding** · 04-02-2005, 11:06 PM

Hell yeah I would. because Bret is G-O-D.

**Kane Knight** · 04-02-2005, 11:10 PM

Anyway, people too often confuse "spouting off like you have tourettes" with "Telling it like it is."

Too often, Flair's comments lack the latter in truth. He's got some points, but he muddles them with his continuous need to take shots at everyone.

"You're all faggots who need to die slow horrible deaths, but I'm just keeping it real."

That sort of thing. It'd be nice if we actually looked at his comments for what they were, instead of just sticking our noses up his ass and proclaiming him "the man," for having the balls to say it.

Yeah, and the hobo who lives downtown in Putney is the man because he's got the balls to say that aliens removed his penis in a CIA-funded series of experiments on international superspies.

**Savio** · 04-02-2005, 11:30 PM

Hey Brock was a Draw too!

**Kane Knight** · 04-02-2005, 11:35 PM

You know who's a draw? Ric Flair ca 2005.

**YOUR Hero** · 04-02-2005, 11:53 PM

Kane Knight
The Teflon Madonna

Posts: 63,338

How did you get so many posts? Don't you have a life??

**Kane Knight** · 04-03-2005, 10:51 AM

How did I get the name "Teflon Madonna?"

**The Mackem** · 04-03-2005, 12:36 PM

Probably from your parents, that's where I got mine.

**Kane Knight** · 04-03-2005, 01:46 PM

Touch�.

**Rob** · 04-03-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

"Bret Hart never drew a dime," says Flair. "

Ok buddy

I found that one pretty funny too.

**Rob** · 04-03-2005, 02:12 PM

Just for the record, when Bret Hart was on top of the WWF and they were doing 4000-6000 houses, Flair was struggling to be on top in WCW where they drew even less including for TV tapings with FREE admission.

Vince McMahon put Bret Hart in the main event spot for 2 WrestleMania's. He didn't even have faith to put Ric Flair in the main event when he was the bloody champ!

**PullMyFinger** · 04-03-2005, 02:26 PM

Bret Hart was a draw, and even bigger in Canada. If he wasn't a draw, there would be no WWE right now b/c it would've floundered during the mid 90s.

**Kane Knight** · 04-03-2005, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Just for the record, when Bret Hart was on top of the WWF and they were doing 4000-6000 houses, Flair was struggling to be on top in WCW where they drew even less including for TV tapings with FREE admission.

Vince McMahon put Bret Hart in the main event spot for 2 WrestleMania's. He didn't even have faith to put Ric Flair in the main event when he was the bloody champ!

**Corkscrewed** · 04-03-2005, 03:47 PM

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The Undertaker carried me through the match.

Funniest thing I've read all day. Take carrying Flair in a match.

He's mostly right, though I disagree about his comments about Foley and Bret. Well, the spirit that they're said in.

**Rob** · 04-03-2005, 03:53 PM

If he thinks Bret wasn't a draw for real than that's fine. But then he needs to take a look in the mirror and realise he is even less than that.

**John la Rock** · 04-03-2005, 04:01 PM

ya saying Bret wasn't a draw is like saying Hogan wasn't a draw

**The Outlaw** · 04-03-2005, 04:35 PM

Of course he was a draw for the 12 year old kids at the time.

Nahh, he was a draw but he's a little crybaby. No, saying Bret wasn't a draw isn't the same thing there sir.

Ric Flair is the man as well though so I dunno.

**FourFifty** · 04-03-2005, 04:39 PM

I do believe that what I'm about to say has been said at least 5783405743095734 times on this thread already. I just want to be number 5783405743095735.

With much respect to Ric Flair, I think he owes Mick Foley a little bit more respect. Foley has done things that other people wouldn't dream of. He was the standard for Hardcore wrestling, and he didn't need to put his body on the line as many times as he did.
Foley gave it his all for the fans. Flair gave it his all for the fans. The mainline thing is they each gave it their all in their own ways. Foley did things I thought I'd never see and Flair said things I thought I'd never hear.
He owes Mick Foley more respect than he gives him. So what if Mick Foley isn't the best "wrestler." Who the hell said the wrestling bizz is about wrestling? Foley is a showman, a stuntman, and someone who gave this industry everything he had, and then some. Mick Foley is the best at what he does.

**jjmoney21** · 04-03-2005, 04:41 PM

hey just look, flair was good back in the NWA days, and who gives a crap that he has held the title so long anyway. Flair has never drawn that big anyway, when the WCW was drawing big it was the NWO drawing so many people. Hogan in the late 80's and early 90's were drawing. And about having the wrestlemania at Caesars palace, Hogan was still there, so thats still a shitty argument. Look at this year, the Staples Center only 20,000 fans, thats pretty crappy for a Wrestlemania. Your best draws have been Hogan, Andre, Austin/Rock attitude era's.

04-02-2005, 06:33 PM	#41
Normal Is Me blaaah Posts: 143	Fuck Flair. Ric Flair can DRAW in North Carolina. Outside of Flair Country he can't draw worth shit on a regular basis. Bret Hart can DRAW huge in Canada. But he could also puts up strong buys ANYWHERE else on a regular basis.

04-02-2005, 06:42 PM	#46
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	alright, my bad. The main argument is what I said anyway.

04-02-2005, 06:43 PM	#47
redoneja Posts: 5,629	Since when did arena quality have to do with putting on a solid show? I'm not trying to defend WM IX but if wrestling in front of 93,000 people = greatness then ECW and RoH are pieces of shit.

04-02-2005, 06:52 PM	#53
redoneja Posts: 5,629	I totally agree that the "fad"" of wrestling is over for casual fans. Casual fans are what provide boom periods to wrestling. The pure wrestling fan sticks with it throughout, its the casual fan who comes and goes. That's why drawing power does not = greatness. Just because you are a huge draw doesn't mean you can WRESTLE. Look at Bruno Sammartino and Ultimate Warrior. Yes they were HUGE draws but both of them had limited abilites(most people don't realize this about Bruno but IMO its true). Same thing for Hogan.

04-02-2005, 08:24 PM	#55
John la Rock That's how I roll!!! Posts: 4,437	WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

04-02-2005, 08:48 PM	#56
Normal Is Me blaaah Posts: 143	Here is most, if not all, of Bret Hart's MAIN EVENT ONLY pay per view history. It includes attendance records, who he was facing, etc.. Event: SummerSlam 1992 Date: August 29, 1992 Location: London, England, United Kingdom Arena: Wembley Stadium Attendence: 80,355 Main Event: Bret Hart V. British Bulldog Event: Survivor Series 1992 Date: November 25, 1992 Location: Richfield, Ohio Arena: Richfield Coliseum Attendence: 17, 500 Main Event: Bret Hart V. Shawn Michaels Event: WrestleMania 9 Date: April 4, 1993 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Arena: Caeser's Palace Attendence: 15,045 Main Event: Bret Hart V. Yokozuna Event: King of the Ring 1993 Date: June 13, 1993 Location: Dayton, Ohio Arena: Nutter Center Attendence: 6,500 Main Event: Bret Hart V. Bam Bam Bigelow Event: WrestleMania 10 Date: March 20, 1994 Location: New York City, New York Arena: Madison Square Garden Attendence: 18,065 Main Event: Yokozuna V. Bret Hart Event: Survivor Series 1995 Date: November 20, 1995 Location: Landover, Maryland Arena: USAir Arena Attendence: 14,500 Main Event: Diesel V. Bret Hart Event: In Your House #5 Date: December 17, 1995 Location: Hershey, Pennsylvania Arena: HersheyPark Arena Attendence: 7,289 Main Event: Bret Hart V. British Bulldog Event: Royal Rumble 1996 Date: January 21, 1996 Location: Fresno, California Arena: Selland Arena Attendence: 9,600 Main Event: Bret Hart V. Undertaker Event: In Your House #6 Date: February 18, 1996 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Arena: Louisville Gardens Attendence: 5,500 Main Event: Bret Hart V. Diesel Event: WrestleMania 12 Date: March 31, 1996 Location: Anaheim, California Arena: Arrowhead Pond at Anaheim Attendence: 18,852 Main Event: Bret Hart V. Shawn Michaels Event: In Your House #12: "It's Time" Date: December 15, 1996 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Arena: Market Square Arena Attendence: 9,649 Main Event: Sycho Sid V. Bret Hart Event: In Your House #13: "The Final Four" Date: February 16, 1997 Location: Chattanooga, Tennessee Arena: UTC Arena Attendence: 6,399 Main Event: Bret Hart V. Steve Austin V. Vader V. Undertaker Event: In Your House #14: "Taker's Revenge" Date: April 20, 1997 Location: Rochster, New York Arena: Memorial Auditorium Attendence: 6,477 Main Event: Bret Hart V. Steve Austin Event: In Your House #16: "Canadian Stampede" Date: July 6, 1997 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Arena: The Saddledome Attendence: 12,151 Main Event: Hart Foundation V. Austin, LOD, Goldust & Shamrock Event: SummerSlam 1997: "Hart and Soul" Date: August 3, 1997 Location: East Rutherford, New Jersey Arena: Continental Arena Attendence: 20,213 Main Event: Undertaker V. Bret Hart Event: Survivor Series 1997: "Gang Rulz" Date: November 9, 1997 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Arena: Molsen Centre Attendence: 20,593 Main Event: Bret Hart V. Shawn Michaels Event: Fall Brawl 1998: "WarGames" Date: September 13, 1998 Location: Winston-Salem, North Carolina Arena: Lawrence Joel Coliseum Attendence: 11,528 Main Event: War Games Match..Hart, DDP, Hogan, Sting, Warrior, Piper, Luger Event: WCW World War 3 1998 Date: November 22, 1998 Location: Auburn Hills, Michigan Arena: The Palace at Auburn Hills Attendence: 17,670 Main Event: Diamond Dallas Page V. Bret Hart Event: WCW Mayhem 1999 Date: November 21, 1999 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Arena: Air Canada Centre Attendence: 13,839 Main Event: Bret Hart V. Chris Benoit And there is a Hart V. Goldberg starrcade main event but the web site for starrcade is done credit - wrestling information archive http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/wiamain.htm

04-02-2005, 10:23 PM	#57
Jaded-Dragon That Guy Posts: 420	Bret Hart was/is a draw. I find it hillarious that one can say that people cheered for him and bought his merchandise, but he wasn't a draw. During the steriod trials they put the belt on Bret to help with PR, but he ended up keeping the belt, and winning it again and again. Why? Because he was a draw that's why. You can't say that he wasn't a draw because he didn't give raw a 6.0 rating. During the time Bret was big it was during a completely different era. It's not Bret's fault that the wrestling industry had yet to hit a sense of realism, and there for aquire most of the fanbase it had during the late 90's. For the time, Bret did draw, and that's why he won the title five times. As for Flair.... please. Did Flair vs Sting ever put WCW on top of the WWF? No. Did the four horseman? Nope. Flair can say what he wants, but it wasn't until WCW brung in the WWF guys that they got big. Even when Flair went to the WWF, he didn't draw shit. He really needs to take a look in the mirror before he starts rambling about some things. Either that, or he really is senile.

04-02-2005, 10:37 PM	#58
Hired Hitman The Next Great One н� Posts: 18,684	Most people that Lose Respect for flair is because he doesn't say their favourite wrestlers are great.

04-02-2005, 10:51 PM	#61
loopydate FIT Challenge Slag People Posts: 13,816	^ Yeah, that. But, honestly, show of hands: Imagine it's 1994. If there were a wrestling show coming to a town two hours away, but you had only $35 in disposable income at the moment. Bret Hart, WWF Champion, is in the main event against Mo from Men on a Mission. The rest of the undercard is pretty bad, with the exception of Barry Horowitz vs. Aldo Montoya. Do you pay the $35 for a seat? If not, you can't say that Bret Hart is a draw.

04-02-2005, 11:06 PM	#63
DaveWadding LIMITLESS Posts: 32,276	Hell yeah I would. because Bret is G-O-D.

04-02-2005, 11:10 PM	#64
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	Anyway, people too often confuse "spouting off like you have tourettes" with "Telling it like it is." Too often, Flair's comments lack the latter in truth. He's got some points, but he muddles them with his continuous need to take shots at everyone. "You're all faggots who need to die slow horrible deaths, but I'm just keeping it real." That sort of thing. It'd be nice if we actually looked at his comments for what they were, instead of just sticking our noses up his ass and proclaiming him "the man," for having the balls to say it. Yeah, and the hobo who lives downtown in Putney is the man because he's got the balls to say that aliens removed his penis in a CIA-funded series of experiments on international superspies.

04-02-2005, 11:30 PM	#65
Savio Spammy Certified Posts: 46,124	Hey Brock was a Draw too!

04-02-2005, 11:35 PM	#66
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	You know who's a draw? Ric Flair ca 2005.

04-02-2005, 11:53 PM	#67
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	Kane Knight The Teflon Madonna Posts: 63,338 How did you get so many posts? Don't you have a life??

04-03-2005, 10:51 AM	#68
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	How did I get the name "Teflon Madonna?"

04-03-2005, 12:36 PM	#69
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	Probably from your parents, that's where I got mine.

04-03-2005, 01:46 PM	#70
Kane Knight Ron Paul 4 EVA Posts: 152,467	Touch�.

04-03-2005, 02:12 PM	#72
Rob Part time poster Posts: 22,963	Just for the record, when Bret Hart was on top of the WWF and they were doing 4000-6000 houses, Flair was struggling to be on top in WCW where they drew even less including for TV tapings with FREE admission. Vince McMahon put Bret Hart in the main event spot for 2 WrestleMania's. He didn't even have faith to put Ric Flair in the main event when he was the bloody champ!

04-03-2005, 02:26 PM	#73
PullMyFinger Posts: 3,319	Bret Hart was a draw, and even bigger in Canada. If he wasn't a draw, there would be no WWE right now b/c it would've floundered during the mid 90s.

04-03-2005, 03:53 PM	#76
Rob Part time poster Posts: 22,963	If he thinks Bret wasn't a draw for real than that's fine. But then he needs to take a look in the mirror and realise he is even less than that.

04-03-2005, 04:01 PM	#77
John la Rock That's how I roll!!! Posts: 4,437	ya saying Bret wasn't a draw is like saying Hogan wasn't a draw

04-03-2005, 04:35 PM	#78
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Of course he was a draw for the 12 year old kids at the time. Nahh, he was a draw but he's a little crybaby. No, saying Bret wasn't a draw isn't the same thing there sir. Ric Flair is the man as well though so I dunno.

04-03-2005, 04:39 PM	#79
FourFifty As over as Crystal Pepsi Posts: 21,639	I do believe that what I'm about to say has been said at least 5783405743095734 times on this thread already. I just want to be number 5783405743095735. With much respect to Ric Flair, I think he owes Mick Foley a little bit more respect. Foley has done things that other people wouldn't dream of. He was the standard for Hardcore wrestling, and he didn't need to put his body on the line as many times as he did. Foley gave it his all for the fans. Flair gave it his all for the fans. The mainline thing is they each gave it their all in their own ways. Foley did things I thought I'd never see and Flair said things I thought I'd never hear. He owes Mick Foley more respect than he gives him. So what if Mick Foley isn't the best "wrestler." Who the hell said the wrestling bizz is about wrestling? Foley is a showman, a stuntman, and someone who gave this industry everything he had, and then some. Mick Foley is the best at what he does.

04-03-2005, 04:41 PM	#80
jjmoney21 Posts: 18	hey just look, flair was good back in the NWA days, and who gives a crap that he has held the title so long anyway. Flair has never drawn that big anyway, when the WCW was drawing big it was the NWO drawing so many people. Hogan in the late 80's and early 90's were drawing. And about having the wrestlemania at Caesars palace, Hogan was still there, so thats still a shitty argument. Look at this year, the Staples Center only 20,000 fans, thats pretty crappy for a Wrestlemania. Your best draws have been Hogan, Andre, Austin/Rock attitude era's.