Hassan's Henchmen (SD Spoilers)

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Face Heely True, but the context here is entertainment and, particularly, pro-wrestling, which has always thrived on carnivalesque, larger-than-life stereotypes. Characters can be complex, but the plot of any pro-wrestling feud has to be good guy vs. bad guy; shades of gray can make a feud interesting, but ultimately, the crowd wants to know who to cheer for. Look at, say, William Regal. At its simplest, his gimmick is that he's British. If he's a heel, he's a stodgy and arrogant cur; if he's a good guy, he's still got the same gimmick, but it's sold to the audience differently - his aloofness and dry wit are depicted as good things, because he's a good guy. (Who was it, again, that defined morality by the person performing the action, rather than the action itself? The ancient Greeks, perhaps?) Getting back to the subject, Hassan is already a bad guy, so anything he's gonna do is gonna be bad. If we were supposed to see the other side, he'd be booked as a face, and would, perhaps, be dubbed a "freedom fighter." In order to have the good-vs-evil storyline that drives virtually evey wrestling feud (and just about any non-love-story out there), both we and the WWE have to acknowledge that it's just a simple form of entertainment (which it seems they did, by not attempting to blur the line for the sake of realism).

Actually, I was just pointing out the concept of how horrible it would be that people sympathise with terrorism...Especially in the US, where we just celebrated a country being formed out of many acts, several terrorist.

Originally Posted by NoGimmicksNeeded No shit. There was alot terrorist activity across the World before 9/11 but none anywhere near as severe as 9/11. 9/11 had a huge impact on alot of people's lives all across the World not just those affected. It will take years to heal the wounds caused by the actions of those terrorist. Some people were traumatized for life and will never get over it. The fact is, to Vince it's just another way to cash in on a real life tragedy. Does the WWE have to bring in a tag team called the Twin Towers and have Hassan squash them both and use some kind of finisher with the word "bomb" or "airplane" on them before anybody finds this shit offensive? I'm not saying it's depicting real life events exactly. All I'm saying is the WWE is taking Hassan's character and actions a bit too far. But that's my opinion and I'm quite sure I'm not the only person who sees it that way. So do you call those American soldiers who might be offended by this storyline "shallow fucks"? By the way, Why is that 75% of these forums have to resort to insulting people just because they don't see things eye to eye? Can't you debate a point in mature fashion without resorting to childish name calling? Grow up, dude.

Wow. There's a pretty big difference between Hassan toppling the "Twin Towers" and a bunch of guys jumping the Undertaker. If you have to reach that desperately, then your argument is not worthy of the respect you seem to think you deserve.

Incidentally, "Might be offended?"

What about the soldiers who MIGHT be offended by Cena's Bad Bad man video. BAH GAWD THOSE WOUNDS TOOK YEARS TO HEAL AND SOME PEOPLE NEVER RECOVERED AND IT'S SO INSENSITIVE TO PEOPLE IN THE ARMY WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN OFFENDED!

I will not deal with your imaginary people who may be offended. Because that argument works for every instance of anything anywhere. If you worry about what might offend, you can never show anything ever again. And until I see the post where you chastised Vince for the Cena video, I'll call you a hypocrite and ignore your tearjerking theatrics.

You want respect, try being less like Fox news, and be more like real journalism.

[Joey Slugs]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight You want respect, try being less like Fox news, and be more like real journalism.

a fucking men

[Watson]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Actually, I was just pointing out the concept of how horrible it would be that people sympathise with terrorism...Especially in the US, where we just celebrated a country being formed out of many acts, several terrorist. Wow. There's a pretty big difference between Hassan toppling the "Twin Towers" and a bunch of guys jumping the Undertaker. If you have to reach that desperately, then your argument is not worthy of the respect you seem to think you deserve. Incidentally, "Might be offended?" What about the soldiers who MIGHT be offended by Cena's Bad Bad man video. BAH GAWD THOSE WOUNDS TOOK YEARS TO HEAL AND SOME PEOPLE NEVER RECOVERED AND IT'S SO INSENSITIVE TO PEOPLE IN THE ARMY WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN OFFENDED! I will not deal with your imaginary people who may be offended. Because that argument works for every instance of anything anywhere. If you worry about what might offend, you can never show anything ever again. And until I see the post where you chastised Vince for the Cena video, I'll call you a hypocrite and ignore your tearjerking theatrics. You want respect, try being less like Fox news, and be more like real journalism.

I can see your point about what may or may not offend the soldiers. Regardless of what the situation is, some might find one thing offensive while others don't. That makes sense. But what I don't get is how you pointed out twice that I'm asking for respect. I could care less if I'm respected or not. I was just making a point which was that many people may find that the WWE is portaying the Hassan gimmick and the storyline he's involved in in a very tasteless manner. That's it. That's all I was saying. We're all talking aboot wrestling and you're being critical of my argument because it's not "like real journalism"? Ha, I never claimed to be a damn jourrnalist and I never asked for anybody's respect. Especially not yours.

[PullMyFinger]

Originally Posted by NoGimmicksNeeded I can see your point about what may or may not offend the soldiers. Regardless of what the situation is, some might find one thing offensive while others don't. That makes sense. But what I don't get is how you pointed out twice that I'm asking for respect. I could care less if I'm respected or not. I was just making a point which was that many people may find that the WWE is portaying the Hassan gimmick and the storyline he's involved in in a very tasteless manner. That's it. That's all I was saying. We're all talking aboot wrestling and you're being critical of my argument because it's not "like real journalism"? Ha, I never claimed to be a damn jourrnalist and I never asked for anybody's respect. Especially not yours.

the spookiest part about all this is that...with all your posts on here...

your post count says 911..as in 9/11...

BAHGAWD IM OFFENDED!!!

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by NoGimmicksNeeded I can see your point about what may or may not offend the soldiers. Regardless of what the situation is, some might find one thing offensive while others don't. That makes sense. But what I don't get is how you pointed out twice that I'm asking for respect. I could care less if I'm respected or not. I was just making a point which was that many people may find that the WWE is portaying the Hassan gimmick and the storyline he's involved in in a very tasteless manner. That's it. That's all I was saying. We're all talking aboot wrestling and you're being critical of my argument because it's not "like real journalism"? Ha, I never claimed to be a damn jourrnalist and I never asked for anybody's respect. Especially not yours.

Originally Posted by PullMyFinger the spookiest part about all this is that...with all your posts on here... your post count says 911..as in 9/11... BAHGAWD IM OFFENDED!!!

I think PMF just covered that.

It might be offensive. So might many angles in wrestling. Tasteless? A lot of wrestling is tasteless. This isn't the first or last tasteless gimmick, and the fact that you show sympathy to soldiers who might be offended over this but not soldiers who might have been offended by the turncoat Slaughter is hopocritical and asinine.

Offensive is offensive, kiddies. "But that's different" doesn't cut it here. La Res DIRECTLY DEMEANED the American military, where were you, O selective one? There are several gimmicks that demean ENTIRE RACES, and you're not defending them.

By the way, for the slow in the audience, it's a comparison. Be more like this, less like this. Only an idiot would think I felt posting on a message board counted as journalism. Though you're only one step below Hannitty...