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Old 12-09-2015, 08:44 AM   #1
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Do Triple H, Vince, or Steph feed Vince with info? Does Dave reach out to them to verify his stories? No. Because he's a bottom feeder "journalist".

If you wanted to know what an NFL team was planning in terms of their talent would you speak to the head coach, the GM, or a kid who collects the footballs after practice?

One funny thing Ive noticed from the thread on here that quotes things from the Observer, but there was a note about Lesnar v Owens NOT being a match currently on the lineup for Mania. If Dave or any of these guys had actual inside info they would know the top 4 matches for Mania. But they don't know shit so they can't say this is what is currently on the schedule.

Sorry to burst your bubble about him.
Yeah, with all the posts you've made since your ill-fated return to the boards, you're in no position to call anyone else out as a "bottom feeder", dude.
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Old 11-29-2015, 01:15 PM   #2
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I don't see the issue in HHH beating Sting.

1) Sting wasn't hurt at all by losing to HHH. Sting does have a name value, and the WWE did do a good job building his name prior to Wrestlemania to give him even more credit.

2) Sting was going away for a while after Wrestlemania and HHH wasn't going anywhere so for that reason alone HHH should have won.
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Old 11-29-2015, 05:46 PM   #3
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I don't see the issue in HHH beating Sting.

1) Sting wasn't hurt at all by losing to HHH. Sting does have a name value, and the WWE did do a good job building his name prior to Wrestlemania to give him even more credit.

2) Sting was going away for a while after Wrestlemania and HHH wasn't going anywhere so for that reason alone HHH should have won.
#2 is the biggest thing to me.

HHH is a weekly TV character. If it was Steve Austin coming back to wrestle, then sure, I would say its fine for HHH to lose. But Sting is not Austin. HHH got the win, but they moved mountains to protect Sting in that match.

The other thing that gets ignored is that from his debut, Sting never really got the type of pop you would expect from a top level star. It was a nice pop, but I remember hearing it, and thinking I expected more.
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Old 11-29-2015, 01:16 PM   #4
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O shit was the Sting/HHH thing in the other thread?

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Old 11-29-2015, 05:39 PM   #5
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Old 11-29-2015, 05:55 PM   #6
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The pop for Sting was fine. Hinter is not going to be hurt by a Sting loss and using Sting to sell the Monday Night Wars is a bigger waste of Sting than anything he did in TNA beside the Jeff Hardy incident. Wish Sting would have stayed away from WWE and just retired. The mans reasoning for not signing with WWE years back is exactly why he should have stayed away. WWE has no idea how to use Sting and really never intended on making Sting look like the Icon he is.
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Old 11-29-2015, 09:00 PM   #7
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Its also reasonable to believe that Vince doesn't completely make a decision on some things until last minute.
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Its also reasonable to believe that Vince doesn't completely make a decision on some things until last minute.
Very true. It's also reasonable to believe that Vince & co. often change their minds on their original plans.
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Old 11-29-2015, 10:53 PM   #9
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Yes it is. Did Vince ever tell you that in a notarized letter? If not then bullshit. Must have the stamp to prove it too.
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Old 11-30-2015, 12:58 AM   #10
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Yes it is. Did Vince ever tell you that in a notarized letter? If not then bullshit. Must have the stamp to prove it too.
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Old 11-30-2015, 10:37 AM   #11
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WWE is at a real crossroads. Allow me to paraphrase Albert Einstein, who said "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results". Wrestling historians can argue about when the ‪#‎AttitudeEra‬ in wrestling officially began. But for me, it will always be at a meeting called by Mr McMahon in the Spring of 1997, where he admitted that what had worked for them for so long in the past (I interpreted that to mean one-dimensional characters that tended to be job-related) was no longer working, and that if they were going to survive, the wrestlers themselves were going to have to step up, and help create those dimensions that would establish the emotional bond between the wrestlers and the fans - part of the lifeblood of professional wrestling.

Today's WWE Superstars (I'm including the women here, since the term "Diva" had its time, and that time is done) are at a distinct disadvantage in some ways. They can't flip birds, and use the colorful language. They can't bleed - even when the situation seems ripe for it. Man, Roman Reigns's life would be so much easier if he could survive vicious assaults the way guys in my era did. But all the blood, the language and the violence paled in comparison to the real secret weapon of the Attitude Era; the FREEDOM TO CREATE...THE FREEDOM TO TRY...THE FREEDOM TO FAIL - the idea that going down swinging (I hope I'm not losing you guys in all the non-baseball playing countries) was almost as important as hitting the ball out of the park - as long as you took your best swings. There's a difference between playing to win, and playing not to lose: one breeds confidence, the other breeds fear.It's the difference between cutting the type of promos Stone Cold Steve Austin and Dwayne The Rock Johnson gave, and the cookie-cutter approach all too often employed these days by WWE creative. One style allowed for creativity and emotion. The other calls for memorization and recitation.

I hope I don't sound like I'm picking on WWE. There is a big part of me that loves this company, and always will. Why else would I be up at 4:15 am, writing things that are likely to banish me deeper and deeper into the WWE doghouse? One of my favorite wrestlers proposed a storyline that would allow me a four of five week storyline that would allow me to dig in deep, and swing for the fences - and in the process, maybe advance a few of the super-talented but underutilized athletes on the roster. I would love to do it....but I doubt it's going to happen. After all, I might want to do something crazy like go out there without a script, and try to create some real emotion - in other words, the type of thing that saved WWE in the late 90's.

The talent pool has never been deeper. But the creative flow is stagnant...and it's been stinking for a while. I quoted Einstein to begin this thing. Let me conclude with the immortal words of Owen Heart: "Enough's enough: it's time for a change!"
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:42 PM   #12
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Oh Mick.

I like Mick, I enjoyed his work over the years in WCW, ECW and of course WWE. But the guy is egotistical.

Why would he think WWE would randomly call him for his opinion? They have plenty of ex talent on the payroll who they can bounce creative ideas. Everything about that blurb comes down to "its all about Mick". We're nearing Mania season and Mick has an angle he should be involved him. I don't think he's at a stage where physically he should in a WWE ring. He wants everyone to gather around and find out if he's gong to stop watching (spoiler, he won't), does anyone really care?

On top of that he doesn't listen to what Vince says. Vince specifically said he thinks one of the problems with guys today is they are afraid to fail. The problem is the talent expects everything to be handed to them. He talks about scripts. This may sound mean, but Mick is likely heavily scripted because they don't trust him to stay on point and within time constraints. New Day talks about how they are not scripted and given the green light to do their own promos. But not everyone is that good, so the guys who are not, are heavily scripted. I believe it was Triple H who said some guys prefer it that way. That shouldn't be an indictment on WWE creative.

Mick talks about using blood to get Roman over. Sure, that would be easier. But I don't think Toys R Us and Kay Jewellers would appreciate being associated with a form of entertainment where grown men mutilate their bodies and bleed in front of little kids in the first row. The product is more mature now, more family friendly. Maybe because Mick needed all those gimmicks as a crutch to get over, he can't fathom how it can be done without it.

At the end of the day Mick is just trying to get more eyeballs on his blog, which is smart. He'll be watching next week, the week after, the month after, and the year after that. Bank on it.
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Old 11-30-2015, 10:01 PM   #13
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Are you sad that Mick proved his idle threats were just that?

Mick may be the poster boy for the Dirt Sheet Follower Fans.

Complain complain complain, but never leave.
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I have no idea how. Just watch the show.
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- As noted, Thursday's Thanksgiving edition of WWE SmackDown drew a record-low 1.652 million viewers, down from the 2.229 the week before. The final rating for the show was a 1.15, down from the previous week's 1.64 rating. This is close to the lowest-rated SmackDown in Syfy history, going back to a 1.14 in December 2010 on their debut episode.
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Fun fact, TNA was averaging 1.17 rating with 1.61 million viewers in 2011. they literally reached TNA levels with smackdown last week
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Fun fact, TNA was averaging 1.17 rating with 1.61 million viewers in 2011. they literally reached TNA levels with smackdown last week
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Is this serious?

You guys should all be wrestling journalists. You are all qualified!

Real talk time with The CyNick. Smackdown was the 2nd most watched show in its timeslot on cable on Thursday.
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Considering WWE barely gives a shit about Smackdown, why should the fans?
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Have you READ the spoilers? Someone is very strong! Ratings will be too!
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SmackDown has been completely irrelevant for years. Nothing new or interesting happens on there and pretty much any good SmackDown match will be repeated on Raw anyway.

SmackDown has been that way since the brand split ended. It's just sorta "there" as opposed to advancing any kind of story.
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But when it moves to USA it will be really important for 1 week.
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:21 AM   #25
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Raw was back up BTW

Football was down

Still trying to figure out of there is a correlation.
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Old 12-02-2015, 11:55 AM   #26
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According to showbuzzdaily.com, Monday’s edition of Raw did an average of 3.17 million viewers; this is up from last week’s 2.964 million viewers, which was a record low. Monday’s show did hours of 3.309 million viewers, 3.190 million viewers and 3.005 million viewers.
The NFL on ESPN (Ravens vs. Browns) drew 10.116 million viewers, and was #1 for the night. Raw gained around 200,000 viewers, while the Monday Night Football game was down nearly 4 million viewers. Raw was #3, trailing the NFL and Major Crimes. RAW was #5 for the night in the 18-49 demographic, they were behind the NFL, SportsCenter, Street Outlaws and Love & Hip-Hop.
hmm so they were #3 overall, and #5 18-49.
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hmm so they were #3 overall, and #5 18-49.
They are #3 for viewership virtually every week. Usually behind football and sportscenter.
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They are #3 for viewership virtually every week. Usually behind football and sportscenter.
It wasn't Sportscenter. They were behind a show called "Major Crimes".

But they dummy every competitor that isn't football. How can this be!?
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In terms of viewers, still well below their average. If it wasn't for last week's disaster, this week would have been the new record low for some perspective.

8pm getting weaker and 10pm hovering around the sub 3 million levels is what has been hurting the ratings the most for this year.
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In 2013, the WWE had a viewership of over 4 million viewers on 30 editions of RAW.

In 2014, RAW broke the 4 million plus viewership mark on 34 episodes of the WWE’s flagship program.

In 2015, the WWE has only had RAW episodes that had over 4 million viewers watching a total of nine times. Seven of the nine times happened during WrestleMania season, where the WWE peaked the night after WrestleMania with a 5.36 million viewership. After that, the only other shows to crack over 4 million viewers was the go home show to Extreme Rules (4.038 million) and the night after the Money in the Bank pay per view (4.11 million).
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Yeah but WWE signed a deal with NBC which gave them a lot of money so that means WWE's product is good.
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Yeah but WWE signed a deal with NBC which gave them a lot of money so that means WWE's product is good.
The key is understanding what is happening to the viewers. If they are still consuming WWE but in another manner, it's fine. If they completely left, it's not as fine.

That said, television as a whole is seeing viewership shrink, they key is understanding how WWE compares with the rest of cable. WWE ratings could decline every year but if they are declining slower than the rest of cable, their TV rights fees will increase.

The most important stat that is rarely talked about by anyone other than me is that they added a ton of new advertisers in the latest upfronts. That's the biggest driver of rights fees. At the end of the day you want to generate the most dollars.
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I don't care how much damn money they make as long as they put on a damn good show. Your the only one that talk about WWEs finances, no one else cares that KFC and Hardies are adverting on Raw.
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RAW used to be #2 until very recently which might explain where some of the lost RAW audience has been heading off to.

For some perspective, NFL lost around 4 million viewers this week because of the poor MNF matchup and yet the WWE barely capitalized on that pool if the number this week is still lower than 2 weeks ago. They gained 200,000 viewers on average from last week but are missing another 100,000 from the week prior.

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Hour one – 3,541,000 viewers
Hour two – 3,290,000 viewers
Hour three – 3,047,000 viewers
Average – 3,292,667 viewers
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:53 AM   #35
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I was really stoked about that specific Barrett return. Big fan of Barrett, but they definitely failed there
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Old 12-03-2015, 09:27 AM   #36
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They've dropped the ball with Barrett so many times. It's sad. He can talk, he can work, he's got good size. I really don't know what else they could want from the guy.

Shocked to find he's actually 35 years old already. So he's likely closer to retirement than he is to getting a main event push.
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He's english, doesn't really connect with the fans.
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The "Bad News" gimmick caught on, so they made him King of the Ring.
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Old 12-03-2015, 11:59 PM   #39
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Yeah, Barrett needs to do the whole "Bad News" thing again. People loved that!
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