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Old 01-30-2008, 07:52 PM   #1
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The Giants wont be able to win with their d-line alone like seemingly every giant fan believes they will. Plus they wont be able to stack the line anyway since they will have to drop into coverage to try their best to cover the pats wide recievers.
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Old 01-30-2008, 08:59 PM   #2
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Old 01-30-2008, 09:27 PM   #3
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I mean I don't think Brady is gonna sit there, but the majority of the Patriots offensive line is going to the Pro Bowl....
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the majority of the Patriots team should be going to the pro bowl
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Why couldn't Burress jus say "yea Pats will kill us 50-0, they are that damn good, we have no chance". And then of course fire up his team behind closed doors. And when has a Patriot ever predicted a win, it's always one of the other dummies.
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Why couldn't Burress jus say "yea Pats will kill us 50-0, they are that damn good, we have no chance". And then of course fire up his team behind closed doors. And when has a Patriot ever predicted a win, it's always one of the other dummies.
Cause Belichick would probably bench anybody who did that.

I hate the fact that Burress guaranteed a win and predicted a score (tho tbh he even said he got his score from 23 being his HS or college number and 17 being his current number). It's gonna be much higher scoring than that.
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Why not just say nothing? Why predict any type of score? You can still be entertaining without doing that garbage.
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Tom Brady is going to have a field day unless Lawrence Taylor , Carl Banks , and Pepper Johnson come out of retirement and gang rape him on sunday.
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I'm not totally sold the Patriots will win this game. I seriously think theres something to be said about that week 17 matchup being so close and the fact that New York has won 10 straight road games this year, including in Dallas and Green Bay in a Blizzard. And all my Manning love aside, lets be honest, Eli can dodge bullets right now. This guy is lights out. He's become the man. I also just get the feeling the football Gods are behind Tom Coughlin this year. After all the shit he's put up with coaching this team. All the shit he's had to deal with. You realise this guy practically battled the entire team to believe in him for like 3 years. And he finally won. Takes some real balls to hang in like Coughlin has with the Giants. Takes balls for Eli to step up like he has finally after all the critisim and the Tiki bs.

I think the Giants have a serious shot to win this. There secondary isnt horrible, just rather average. The LB'ers are pretty good and they have the best defensive line in the league.

This game comes down to two things to me. Can the Giants recievers keep from dropping passes and how many holding penaltys will we see called agains the Patriots. There O-line gets away with murder. I mean, most plays might be considered some sort of holding, but they've show replay during games of the Pats Oline literally tackling guys and no flags. There a great offensive line for sure. Probably the best, but seriously, some of the holding penalty's they've gotten away with were unbelievable. Like Troy Polamalu incomplete pass ruling, unbelievable.
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Old 01-31-2008, 10:11 AM   #12
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Not laughing because of you saying the Giants have a shot, I think they do, but the way they are going about it is hilarious.

I don't see how winning 10 straight road games gives them an advantage.....Patriots won 18 straight games....
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I gotta agree with RP, I thought the Pats o-line got away with some shit the first time around.
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Not laughing because of you saying the Giants have a shot, I think they do, but the way they are going about it is hilarious.

I don't see how winning 10 straight road games gives them an advantage.....Patriots won 18 straight games....

The Patriots are the Patriots. Everyone expected them to be the best team and win the Superbowl even before they won there first game. No one expected the Giants to be as good as they are and for them to win 10 straight road games, including the ones in the playoffs is very very impressive.
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The Patriots are the Patriots. Everyone expected them to be the best team and win the Superbowl even before they won there first game. No one expected the Giants to be as good as they are and for them to win 10 straight road games, including the ones in the playoffs is very very impressive.
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This game comes down to two things to me. Can the Giants recievers keep from dropping passes and how many holding penaltys will we see called agains the Patriots. .
Well I was laughing at that too, since that really isn't what the game comes down to. Its the NFL, they could call holding on every play if they really wanted to. Sure you and Gonzo 'saw' it but you are also biased against the Pats/for the Giants. I mean I could sit here and watch any game and point out a bunch of holding penalties in any game. Maybe it was a little bit more than usual but I dunno, its been like a month since that game and this is the first time I've heard someone mention it.

I dunno, I would think the game would come down to the Patriots stopping the Giants rushing attack and the Giants being to able get the Patriots' offense off the field. That's just me though
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Well I was laughing at that too, since that really isn't what the game comes down to. Its the NFL, they could call holding on every play if they really wanted to. Sure you and Gonzo 'saw' it but you are also biased against the Pats/for the Giants. I mean I could sit here and watch any game and point out a bunch of holding penalties in any game. Maybe it was a little bit more than usual but I dunno, its been like a month since that game and this is the first time I've heard someone mention it.

I dunno, I would think the game would come down to the Patriots stopping the Giants rushing attack and the Giants being to able get the Patriots' offense off the field. That's just me though
Sure holding happens every game, no lie there. Giants could have gotten called on some stuff too I'm sure. I'm obviously rooting for the Giants but I'm not blind to the point where I'm blatantly biased towards everything. Its not even that someone gets away with one or two blatant penalties, its the fact the referees miss it and 9 times out of 10 they are within 10 feet with a perfect view.
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also keep in mind 3/5ths of the OL for the Pats didn't play against the Giants.

on a seperate issue... must be slow in polotics... Arlen Spector wants to investigate why godell ordered the spygate tape to be destroyed.

Kinda funny the NY Times run this story the friday before the super bowl...

on another side note... the Patriots applied for 2 trademarks.

"19-0" and "19-0 the perfect season".

They applied for it 3days before the AFC championship game, so the NY papers is using this as the "see, the Pats slipped up and made a prediction"

The Pats have been already going after unlicensed merchandise, and they got shutdown a sight www.19and0.org

this is nothing new... John Calapari trademarked "refuse to lose" and Pat Rilley owns the rights to "threepeat"

even funnier is in response the NY post trade markeked "18-1"
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Dunno, most be home-town biased because I watch every play of every game and I don't see where they're holding more or less then anyone else.

That being said, for years the Broncos were always considered the best OL in the league and also the dirtiest, so I tend to think if an OL is playing very well, people assuming they are holding and clipping and such because they don't think it's possible for the OL to do that well w/o cheating.

on the other "story" Arlen Spector was quoted in an ESPN interview that he first questioned this before the Eagles game and didn't get any response.

Kinda funny, a Senator using his power to try and stong arm the NFL because he thinks maybe his favorite team got cheated...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3225539
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Looks like Roger Goodell is in some trouble.

He's been summoned by the Senate to talk about why he destroyed the evidence in the Patriots spying incident.
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Its pretty lame that this senator waits until the night before the superbowl to do this. Obviously he has an agenda.
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Its pretty lame that this senator waits until the night before the superbowl to do this. Obviously he has an agenda.
yeah, he says he sent his original letter in november (right before the philly game) wanting to know if what happened would have an effect on the game and if it had an effect on the superbowl pats vs. eagles and never got a response, the NFL claims they "just got his letters now".

I love Godells response today

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The reason I destroyed the tapes is they were totally consistent with what the team told me," Goodell said during his State of the NFL speech. "It was the appropriate thing to do and I think it sent a message.

"The actual effectiveness of taping and taking of signals from opponents - it is something done widely in many sports. I think it probably had limited, if any effect, on the outcome of games.

"That doesn't change my perspectve on violating rules and the need to be punished."
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"We wanted to take and destroy that information," he said. "They may have collected it within the rules, but we couldn't determine that. So we felt that it should be destroyed."
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"I think it was the best way to make sure the Patriots followed my instructions, to make sure that bit of information would not appear anywhere again," he said. "If it did, I'd know they didn't hand me all the information. Not having those tapes out there, now I know if something arises, they didn't tell me the truth."
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on a note of more interest from the press confrence.

They're considering re-seading playoff teams, so a 10-6 wild card team would be at home and host a 9-7 division winner.

not sure how I feel about this one...

They're basiclly trying to do away with teams who have locked it up in a shitty division resting people, so all the games count...

dunno, I kinda think if you're 12-3 the last week, you earned the right to do whatever you want with your players.
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how are they gunna make the games count?
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how are they gunna make the games count?
thats what I couldn't quite figure out, I think he meant it makes it count for lower teams, but they're normally still going all out for a shot at the playoffs...

oh and just another Spector thing I just heard... to top it all off, one of his biggest contributers is comcast... so this isn't as much to do w/ the Eagles as it is the whole NFL network deal.
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So, apprently the NFL has in their copywright of games that you can not view them/show them on a screen bigger then 55 inches.

They send letters to a movie chain that was going to show the game for free on the big screen.

I understand wanting to control your product and all, but you think more viewers = more ad dollars...
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oh, and some giant backup thats been on IR most the year got arrested for DUI so the team sent him home...
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What's up with all this spygate shit again, jeez. Pats are winning in a blowout for sure now.
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Now there's reports that the Patriots secretly taped the Rams' walkthrough the day before Super Bowl XXXVI.

I don't know why this is all coming out now but it seems to be a pretty solid argument for why we don't need the bye week before the Super Bowl.
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I don't know why this is all coming out now but it seems to be a pretty solid argument for why we don't need the bye week before the Super Bowl.
There is way too much shit to squeeze in within one weeks time. There would hardly be time to practice/gameplan with only a week.
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dunno, I always thought the hype was more about more time for the NFL to make it an "event" and any banged up players to heel...

I think most teams do fairly well with gameplans and time w/ only a week off like usual.


oh and this former Pats employee who claims to be the smoking gun and doesn't know why no one contacted him... this is my favorite part

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If he's telling the truth he has no worries, if he's not and if he say has team property he stole, then yeah, it's an issue... anyway, I want to hear what he says.

As far as doing what the Pats did prior to this year, it wasn't a rule... so there is no issue there... cause again the issue was never the taping itself because every team does that and whatever else they can, the issue was where they were taping from which only became a rule this year.

On a side note, everyone blamed mangini for it, but it seems it was another staff member who was there back when Belicheck quit the Jets and still has bitter feelings, plus the Jets got caught by the Pats last year filming where they shouldn't be (by last years rules) and the Pats simply told him to move...

anyway, tomorows the game... if the Pats don't win, think anyone will still care about this crap?

It's funny how Spectors real targets doesn't seem to be the Patriots but the NFL... Guess you gotta keep your donaters happy.
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all this shit coming out about the Patriots could have come out 2months ago or after the Superbowl. I actually think it sucks alot more for the Giants lol. COMON ELI YOU CAN DO IT!
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I've been more about Eli this whole playoffs then i have been about Peyton. I just realised that. I'm really really rooting fro Eli to win this. I think it'd be so damn cool to have brothers win back to back Superbowls. Plus Archie Manning's sperm is probably the most expensive sperm on the market right about now.
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