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Old 02-19-2013, 04:44 AM   #481
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I think James Steele is still fuming over the unforgivable sin of duct tape being used in a wrestling match and it's making him irrational about things.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:46 AM   #482
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I feel like you're completely ignoring the fact that half the crowd still fucking loves Cena. And there is a happy ending to be had for them. You and the half of the crowd you agree with don't exactly have more of a "right" to have it your way than the other half. Though you're acting like it. They could use Cena's reign to put over someone else, push Ryback or someone to the moon and then demote Cena if they see fit. For now though, Cena winning this one match is the right way to go.

Cena winning does nothing but tell us the same story we've seen a million fucking times. The kiddos have gotten their way plenty of times and there is no reason to tell a different story that they might like as much as "Cena overcomes the odds." Hell, they might even start liking other wrestlers as much as Cena. GOD FORBID.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:47 AM   #483
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I've stated my opinion and as the pulse of the WWE Universe, once it was stated the thread should be locked and considered over.

I'll leave this for those who claim Punk is as over as Cena.

Punk leaves for a year: ratings don't change
Cena leaves for a year: ratings drop.

You can't honestly deny that.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:48 AM   #484
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I think James Steele is still fuming over the unforgivable sin of duct tape being used in a wrestling match and it's making him irrational about things.
It is the single stupidest finish to a main event world title match ever. It was stupid with Cena/Batista moreso than Show/Del Rio because that match between Cena/Batista was sold as a fight to the death for who is the top dog in WWE. You can't hype a match up like that and then end it with a finish from Home Alone.
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Seriously, STFU guys. James, you're better than this.
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"Little kids have gotten their way enough! I want my wrasslin' back!!!"

Do you enjoy robbing kids of their entertainment, James Steele?
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:49 AM   #487
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Seriously, STFU guys. James, you're better than this.
I'm still not over WrestleMania 22. It has been a long 7 years.
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More people have cared about this thread than HHH's retirement speech.
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:49 AM   #489
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Punk didn't have half the crowd booing him when he was the face-WWE Champion. Everybody was cheering and chanting CM Punk. That's probably why they turned him heel because he was out popping (and out selling in shirts) the chosen one at every show.
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"Little kids have gotten their way enough! I want my wrasslin' back!!!"

Do you enjoy robbing kids of their entertainment, James Steele?
I'm tired of PPVs I buy being awesome until the last 5 minutes where Cena completely ruins them for me.
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More people have cared about this thread than HHH's retirement speech.
Cause we were all pretty sure he wasn't really retiring anyways.
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Punk didn't have half the crowd booing him when he was the face-WWE Champion. Everybody was cheering and chanting CM Punk. That's probably why they turned him heel because he was out popping (and out selling in shirts) the chosen one at every show.
And drawing the lowest ratings in over a decade. Can't be that over. In any other era Punk is nothing more than an IC champ.
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Cause we were all pretty sure he wasn't really retiring anyways.
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I can't remember the last time even the Cena haters said Cena ruined the end of a PPV for them.
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Punk didn't have half the crowd booing him when he was the face-WWE Champion. Everybody was cheering and chanting CM Punk. That's probably why they turned him heel because he was out popping (and out selling in shirts) the chosen one at every show.
I don't think it was that. Quite simply, CM Punk is the only guy over enough to compete with Cena and The Rock, so they turned him heel since they kept fucking over Barrett, Ziggler, etc. Since Cena will never turn heel and The Rock is a eternal babyface due to icon status, they needed a heel for them to face. Plus, CM Punk had done everything he could do as a babyface at the time. I'd like to see how CM Punk would have done if he had a long chase for the title as a babyface.
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And drawing the lowest ratings in over a decade. Can't be that over. In any other era Punk is nothing more than an IC champ.
Since whatever Cena was doing was still the focus of the show for the most part John-Boy is responsible for those ratings as much as Punk is.
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I can't remember the last time even the Cena haters said Cena ruined the end of a PPV for them.
If Cena wins next week, we know 5 weeks in advance the last 5 minutes of WrestleMania XXIX. Just like when he ruined the 2008 Royal Rumble. As soon as he came out at #30, I knew the last 5 minutes of the PPV. It has happened time and time again for almost a decade. He hasn't ruined a PPV in awhile, and I'd like to keep it that way.
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Lol Punk was soooo over that they had him do third on the card World Title defences.
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Where are the long stretches of big ratings in any of John Cena's reigns? They don't exist. He's not a draw. He's just the biggest ant on the ant hill now.
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This would be a good argument for the whinge thread. Take it there
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I remember when Triple H was the top guy on Raw. Never a predictable end to a PPV.
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Lol Punk was soooo over that they had him do third on the card World Title defences.
Rock/Hogan warmed the crowd up for HHH/Jericho just like HBK/Taker warmed up the crowd for HHH/Orton.
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I remember when Triple H was the top guy on Raw. Never a predictable end to a PPV.
He faced a shitload of different people, put on great matches, and made stars. He won in many different ways. If it wasn't him going in as heel world champion, HBK winning at SSeries 02, Goldberg winning in 03, Benoit in 04, Batista in 05, Cena in 06, Hardy in 08, etc. wouldn't have been as big of a deal. Triple H made stars. Name one star John Cena has made.
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Rock/Hogan warmed the crowd up for HHH/Jericho just like HBK/Taker warmed up the crowd for HHH/Orton.
The last 5 minutes of both of those WrestleManias sucked.
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Cena single-handedly made a star at Extreme Rules in 2010...
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Rock/Hogan warmed the crowd up for HHH/Jericho just like HBK/Taker warmed up the crowd for HHH/Orton.
Lol Punk fought on the undercard of the match of the century that was Cena vs Big John.
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The last 5 minutes of both of those WrestleManias sucked.
Triple H/Jericho was the culmination of an awe-inspiring story. The WM25 match was fucked over by a shitty stipulation (HHH loses title if he gets DQd) in a match about him getting retribution and having to follow an all-time classic match that drained the crowd. Both matches were still good matches.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:08 AM   #511
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Now, you've reverted to trolling along with Gertner because you have no legitimate argument. Splendid.
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Where are the long stretches of big ratings in any of John Cena's reigns? They don't exist. He's not a draw. He's just the biggest ant on the ant hill now.
He was consistently in the 3.2-3.4 range. Much better than the 2.7 Punk was drawing. If you can't headline a PPV without Cena than you shouldn't be a champ. Punk wasn't a good champ. Thank God the Rock came back and saved the company from going under due to the influx of vanilla midgets getting valuable T.V time.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:09 AM   #513
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Triple H/Jericho was the culmination of an awe-inspiring story. The WM25 match was fucked over by a shitty stipulation (HHH loses title if he gets DQd) in a match about him getting retribution and having to follow an all-time classic match that drained the crowd. Both matches were still good matches.
No, those matches were fucked over because they followed better matches.
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Stop deleting your posts fan. Actually don't, might delete the last 2 pages of all this shit just to fuck you guys up.
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Remember that classic Scott Steiner vs HHH feud. Mat fucking classic right there. Remember than Booker T vs HHH feud that nobody gave two shits about? Fucking Frank Gotch vs Lou Thesz right there.
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Now, you've reverted to trolling along with Gertner because you have no legitimate argument. Splendid.


This level of fuming that you're not being taken seriously anymore... is it more or less than the level of fuming you get when you see duct tape in a hardware store?
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Love watching these FBDV Punk smarks cry and have no facts backing up what a "great title reign" he had.
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Stop deleting your posts fan. Actually don't, might delete the last 2 pages of all this shit just to fuck you guys up.
What the h are you talking about?
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No, those matches were fucked over because they followed better matches.
Did I ever say they weren't better matches? It had more to do with the crowd being dead than the match itself. Those weren't bad matches, but the environment of WrestleMania can multiply a match by a billion.
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What the h are you talking about?
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