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[RP]

I think they are good enough to split with NE and NY. I think they will sweep 2 against Miami. Split with NY and probably lose 2 to NE, but they are good enough to beat NE once.

Other then that. I agree with everything you say. I seriously worry about a huge steroid scandle in the NFL. I mean , i seriously look at TO . I cant help but think he's roiding. I have no proof, but look at the guy. in 2 years he's become a fucking Hulk. Maybe i'm totally wrong. I think this about a few players. I think Bruschi is a better man then that. Atleast i hope. I like Bruschi alot.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder You're an idiot. Stop calling people idiots and being argumentive in every post, or atleast know what the fuck you're talking about when you do.

Oh man, you don't even deserve to be replied to after that brilliant post.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives RP - I agree on that, but TO did also play injured and the superbowl and carried his team.

Yeah he carried them all the way to a Superbowl loss, didn't he? And he sat out through the first two games -- both wins. Funny how it all works out. Best player on the field, yet can't win games. Hmm.

Moss has yet to show that, the whole "taking plays off" is crap, that's the job of a #1 WR sometimes to decoy the double team to get the ball.

Didn't you read my post? He IS a blocker, he DOES decoy the double and triple coverage. What pisses him off is when he's triple covered and we can't run the ball, and the other WRs can't get open or catch the ball. When he plays 100%, gets tripled, is a decoy and we LOSE. He says "If we're going to have a futile offense and do nothing, you might as well give me the ball and let me make plays." What's wrong about that? It's true. You have the best WR in the game, and you don't get him involved? Sure, he could have handled it better, but he's a big kid. He has fun with the game, he's not a 'professional,' like Ward. He's a far better player than Ward, with a shittier work ethic. I never argued this. All I am saying is that Randy Moss plays when he wants to play, but that doesn't mean he never plays. It just means that, why would you want to run around on the field just for your team to dump it off to the TE in the flats? What the fuck is the point of that, honestly?

Moss had speed and can jump, but can't and doesn't go accross the middle, maybe that changes now, maybe he will get a set of balls in Oakland. Also, TO's issues have all been about money, I don't remember TO trying to run down a meter maid.

Moss can and does go over the middle. Remember the Randy Ratio? That's all he did. Short routes. Quick screens. He caught the ball and got, like, 10 yards. And he got nailed. The safeties came up because he wasn't a deep threat anymore. Thus, the running game suffered. We had our worst season in 10 years. And you know what? First of all, look at Moss's fucking stats. Why does he NEED to go over the middle? You are just mindlessly parrotting the stupid hateful sports media. Doesn't go over the middle? Over the first 8 years of his career, he has more yards and TDs than any other WR IN HISTORY, including Terrell Owens, Hines Ward, and JERRY RICE. And he did it "not going over the middle."

Yeah, you know who else doesn't go over the middle? Peyton Manning. I have never seen him run a slant. I guess that means he sucks a big one.

So hey, how about that Terrell Owens going over the middle thing... how many of those passes does he catch, as opposed to "alligator-arming" them when he hears footsteps? Yeah he goes over the middle. You know who else goes over the middle? Jermaine Wiggins. I guess his ability to go over the middle makes him a better player than Moss.

Now let's see...

Your next point was "running down a meter maid," or as we in the real world like to call it, "A fat old meter maid sitting on Moss's car, pissing him off, so he slowly accelerated. So instead of her getting off of the hood, she fell to the ground in dramatic fashion, seizing her opportunity to sue the most famous person in Minnesota."

I don't know. You'd think that as a player, attacking your coaches and your Quarterback to the point Owens has, that ranks as a little worse than "leaving the field of an unwinnable game."

Which, if you recall, Bret Favre did a couple of years ago against the Vikings. Flipped off the Vikings, brushed past the media, and ignored the fans. Quite possibly, the most beloved player in the NFL, if not of all time. Did exactly the same thing as Moss did. But nobody is saying a thing.

Moss, has the ability to be the best WR in football, but he's not and he only has himself to blame.

Set an NFL record for most catches in a player's first 6 seasons with 525, passing Marvin Harrison's 522 from 1996-2001...Set an NFL record as the only WR to record 1,000-yard seasons in his first 6 seasons...Set an NFL record for most receiving yards in a player's first 6 seasons, his 8,375 yards topped Jerry Rice's 7,866...Named Associated Press All-Pro in 1998, 2000 and 2003...Earned Pro Bowl appearances in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002 and 2003...Has been named NFC Offensive Player of the Week 4 times in his career...Led the NFL in receiving TDs in 1998, 2000, 2003...Led the NFC in receiving yards in 1999 (1,413) and 2002 (1,347)...Led the NFC in receptions in 2002 (106) and ranked 2nd in 2003 (111)...Has not missed a game in his 5-year career and has started 91 of his 96 career games...Extended his consecutive games with a catch streak to 96 games, every game of his career, ranking 3rd in team history behind Anthony Carter's 105 and Cris Carter's 111...Since entering the League in 1998, Moss has 78 TDs in 96 games (77 receiving, 1 punt return) and has thrown 2 TD passes...Only St. Louis RB Marshall Faulk has more TDs since 1998 than Moss with 89...In 44 career games against the NFC North/Central Division, Moss has 239 catches for 4,048 yards (16.9 avg.) and 33 TDs...Minnesota is 33-20 in games when Moss has a TD...Has caught a TD in 5 of his 6 career playoff games...Ranks 2nd in team history with 77 receiving TDs, trailing Cris Carter (110) and has 78 total TDs...Ranks 4th in Vikings history in career scoring with 468 points...Ranks 3rd in team history for 100-yard receiving games with 38, trailing Cris Carter (40). The Vikings are 28-10 when Moss has 100+ yards receiving...Has caught 3 TD passes in a team-record 5 games in his career, the last coming vs. San Francisco (9/28/03)...In 8 career Monday Night Football games Moss has 41 catches for 872 yards (21.3 avg.) and 10 TDs...Holds a Vikings record with 24 plays of 50+ yards in his career, 23 receptions and a punt return...In his 96 career regular-season games, Moss has 14 catches of 60+ yards, 23 catches of 50+ yards and 15 TDs of 50+ yards and 47 catches of 40+ yards and 25 TDs of 40+ yards...Named 2000 Pro Bowl Most Outstanding Player after setting records for catches (9) and receiving yards (212) in the game along with scoring the final TD of the day in a 51-31 win by the NFC...Broke his own Vikings record for single-season receiving yards with 1,637 in 2003, breaking his previous record of 1,437 in 2000...Combined with Cris Carter for a team-record 2,711 receiving yards in 2000, breaking the mark of 2,654 yards the duo set in the 1999 season...Led the NFC in receiving yards in 1999 with 1,413, the 1st Vikings WR to lead the NFC since Ahmad Rashad in 1979...Set a Vikings record for most receiving yards in 2 straight games with 331 in 1999 (204 at Chicago, 11/14/99 and 127 vs. San Diego, 11/28/99)...Became the 1st Vikings WR to throw a TD pass when he hit Cris Carter on a reverse pass at NY Giants (12/26/99) and threw his 2nd career TD pass to D'Wayne Bates vs. Miami (12/21/02)...Only rookie in 1998 to earn a berth in the Pro Bowl where he was a starter.

You're right, he's not the best WR in football. He's only one of the best of all time. I don't get where you get this "not the best" bullshit. So many people hate Moss, yet would orgasm at the chance to have him on their team.

Even Rectal Pertruder, who is so far up Marvin Harrison's ass that I'm sure he doesn't realize there are other Receivers in the NFL.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Oh poor Randy Moss. He's too upset with his millions of dollars to run hard when his team is losing

[AlphaBean]

Why would he?

[RP]

[QUOTE=AlphaBean


Even Rectal Pertruder, who is so far up Marvin Harrison's ass that I'm sure he doesn't realize there are other Receivers in the NFL.[/QUOTE]


I dont worry about other recievers that much. We have 3 of the best.

[RP]

Even Rectal Pertruder, who is so far up Marvin Harrison's ass that I'm sure he doesn't realize there are other Receivers in the NFL.[/QUOTE]


I dont worry about other recievers that much. We have 3 of the best.

[AlphaBean]

Doesn't take much; Manning makes Troy Walters look good.

[VonErich Lives]

It's really simpe Bean, TO's issues are never brought onto the field.

Moss's issues aren't.

You have to give 100% every play, doesn't matter the call or who'se getting the ball.

He's not the best player in the league, Stats especially in the Nfl are as much about the team as the player.

Moss was helped in the early years by Carter & Reed.

I'm not saying Moss isn't a great WR, just saying there are a few I'd take before him and no, I wouldn't want Moss or TO on the Patriots, not until they both grow up. But if I had to take one, I'd take Owens, I know that every play he's going to show up and give 100%.

I do love how you try to justify everything from "accelerating his car while a meter maid was sitting on it" to taking plays off and then tell RP his head is stuck up Harrisons ass.

Going to be interesting how Moss does this year w/o as good WR around him, with a QB that isn't as good, etc.... etc..... I still think he'll do good, cause as I said he is one of the best WR in the NFL and will or rather "Should" break some records before his career is over.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Antonio Gates didn't meet the San Diego Chargers' ultimatum to sign a contract by Saturday afternoon, meaning the defending AFC West champions will be without their All-Pro tight end for at least the season opener against Dallas.

In an attempt to break an impasse in negotiations, the Chargers ordered Gates to show up by Saturday afternoon and sign a contract. Gates' agent and the Chargers continued to negotiate up to the 12:30 p.m. deadline, but failed to agree on a multiyear deal. Gates has refused to sign the $380,000, one-year contract the team tendered him as an exclusive-rights free agent.

Once Gates does sign a contract, he will be put on the Roster Exempt List, automatically triggering a three-game suspension. That means he will for sure miss the team's final two exhibition games and the season opener against the Cowboys on Sept. 11 at Qualcomm Stadium. If he hasn't signed by Thursday, he'll also miss the Sept. 18 game at Denver.

Gates became a star in just his second NFL season, catching 13 touchdown passes -- a league record for tight ends -- and leading the Chargers with 81 catches for 964 yards. He accounted for about 20 percent of the Chargers' offense, a big reason why they went 12-4 and reached the playoffs for the first time in nine seasons.

Defenses had a tough time trying to cover the 6-foot-4 former college basketball standout, a power forward at Kent State. He didn't play football in college.

Gates, agent Andre Colona and general manager A.J. Smith didn't immediately return calls seeking comment.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives It's really simpe Bean, TO's issues are never brought onto the field. Moss's issues aren't. You have to give 100% every play, doesn't matter the call or who'se getting the ball. He's not the best player in the league, Stats especially in the Nfl are as much about the team as the player. Moss was helped in the early years by Carter & Reed. I'm not saying Moss isn't a great WR, just saying there are a few I'd take before him and no, I wouldn't want Moss or TO on the Patriots, not until they both grow up. But if I had to take one, I'd take Owens, I know that every play he's going to show up and give 100%. I do love how you try to justify everything from "accelerating his car while a meter maid was sitting on it" to taking plays off and then tell RP his head is stuck up Harrisons ass. Going to be interesting how Moss does this year w/o as good WR around him, with a QB that isn't as good, etc.... etc..... I still think he'll do good, cause as I said he is one of the best WR in the NFL and will or rather "Should" break some records before his career is over.

He already has broken records. He had Carter on the downside of his career, a player who was such a prima donna that he destroyed team chemistry. A player who thought he was above the team. His attitude spilled over to Moss in the older years. And Carter retired years ago, yet somehow Moss has continued to put up numbers, so shut the fuck up about that. And a good QB? Jeff George? Pretty sure he had an amazing season in 99 with Jeff George throwing him the ball. Pretty sick and tired of people trying to pass off his stats as 7 years of abberation. Like he was a 7-year fluke. You can't be a fluke for 7 straight years.

As for the Patriots, are you sure about that? The Patriots are a team that thrives on chemistry. First off, Moss has been babied his entire time here. If he had a coach who could actually coach him, like Belichek, he would work a lot harder. Second off, Terrell Owens is the antithesis of team chemistry. He's a cancer. Moss is immature, but he's not a cancer. Like I said, he has helped the players around him. He is a great downfield blocker for his size, and he made all the young WRs around him better as their leader.

All you people see is what ESPN wants you to see. And good players with bad raps does not make good news stories.

But as for you saying TO's issues are never brought onto the field... uh... I'm sorry, did you watch the 49ers vs Vikings game 2 years ago? Did you?

That person Owens was attacking? WAS HIS OWN COORDINATOR. And after the game, Owens said he wanted Rattay starting at QB.

Never let his issues spill onto the field... you don't even try making sense, do you?

As for me being up Moss's ass? Listen. I love the guy. But I would keep it simple, to just saying he's statistically en route to being the best ever and leave it at that. But I cannot stand idly by while he's being compared to Terrell Owens, when it's obvious that Owens is not a team player, and continues to destroy the teams he plays for, while Moss is a team player who just happens to be immature. I wish he wasn't so immature, but I can't really blame him. He's being himself. He's not letting the game change him. He's playing it for fun, and living his life according to his own rules. This doesn't make him selfish. He was a team leader in Minnesota, whether he liked to admit it or not. His presence will most definitely be missed here. But here's the difference between RP and myself: RP says "watch Harrison play and you'll see he's obviously the best."

I say, look at the stats. Moss is statistically, at this point in his career, the greatest of all time. Now, time will tell if he will take over Rice in that department. Chances are he will not. In that case, I would be willing to say he is the second greatest. I'm torn, though, on whether superbowl rings matter in determining the greatest. Most people say you need a ring to be a true success, but to that I say... what if the entire team around you blows? Barry Sanders played on so many losing teams it's unbelievable. Anyway, I digress. Statistically, Moss is on his way to being the greatest. He shattered records at Marshall, and stood in Cris Carter's shadow. Everyone said Carter mentored him, and he did -- but not in the way you would like your veteran to mentor a player. People say it was all the QB, but it was not Cunningham, it was Billick. Once Billick left as OC, Cunningham became pathetic. Jeff George took over, and was good enough for a Wildcard berth and early exit. Daunte is the man, but Daunte didn't make Moss, because Moss was a two-time ProBowler by the time Culpepper started his first game.

Moss is the reason I love football. I got into it late. I will always defend Moss, not because I'm biased, but because he deserves it. When Owens can call players killers and fags, tell off his coaches twice, call his QB a hypocrite who gave up in the Superbowl, whine to get traded twice, then whine for two huge contracts in a row despite being 32... yet still be held above Moss because Moss "takes plays off."

I dunno, man. Moss may take plays off. He may not go over the middle. He may have gotten help from Carter... but if all this was true...

Why the fuck does he have more yards and TDs than any other WR in the history of the NFL in his first 7 years?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Moss is just an idiot. I am sure other players in the league start to take plays off when they know they are about to lose too, they just don't come right out and say it. Samething with smoking weed, im sure a lot of em do it but they aren't dumb enough to go around telling somebody in the media.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by sTiMa34 Moss is just an idiot. I am sure other players in the league start to take plays off when they know they are about to lose too, they just don't come right out and say it. Samething with smoking weed, im sure a lot of em do it but they aren't dumb enough to go around telling somebody in the media.

Exactly. He has all these quotables, and they really are awesome when you think about it... but what they really are is ammunition for mindless hateration in the form of a VEL rant. Like the latest Marijuana quote. He's immature, and runs his mouth. I admit this. And it makes it hard to defend him... but I do.

Because he squirted a fucking water bottle at refs. He mooned Green Bay. He never grants interviews, but his teammates love him. He beat some dude's ass in a bathroom in college, but flies a little girl with Cancer in to spend time with him at Practice every year. He's newsworthy, and none of it ever had to do with what he was doing on the field until that "walking out with 2 seconds left when the Vikings were losing and attempting an onside kick" situation. Which is bullshit. Like I said, Favre did it and nobody villifies Favre (except Vikings fans )

As for taking plays off... did anyone see the Packers/Vikings playoff game? Moss took that play off, too, when he jogged toward Al Harris, then sprinted past him and caught the TD pass running with a bad hammy and ankle.

[VonErich Lives]

Bean, I started to read your novel, but couldn't stop laughing and realised you just kept repeating your foolishness.

By the way, Jeff George was a great QB he was also a HUGE head case, George's issue had nothing to do with his ability on the field.

Moss is a good Wr, he's not the best in the NFL, not until he grows up and not giving 100% on ANY PLAY FOR ANY REASON is just plain crap.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Moss is one of the top WRs in the game, probably right behind TO. The Vikings breaking down and losing was not Moss's fault. Mike Tice is a terrible coach - that's the problem. Moss will tear it up in Oakland.

TOs problems have nothing to do with on the field? So not talking to your quaterback has nothing to do with "on the field?"

People get hung up on his one dumb comment when he said he took plays off, then when he walked off the field. I've seen Moss throw a few real nice blocks before. He's no Hines Ward out there laying dudes out or anything but he still blocks a hell of a lot better than those wideouts from the U.

[RP]

Lets get a couple of things straight.


1) People knock me for going on and on about my team and certain players like Peyton Manning , Marvin Harrison and soon Marlin Jackson , because he is amazing. People including you Bean. Then you go on this big jerk fest about Moss. I'm not even gunna get witty here. I'll just laugh.

2) Harrison = 845 receptions, 11,185 yards , 98 touchdowns , 9 years
Moss = 574 receptions , 9,142 yards , 90 touchdowns. , 7 years

Would Moss have Harrison on td's... Probably. On receptions... Hell no. Moss would have to average 145 receptions in those 2 years. BTW fun fact Bean. Harrison holds the record for most receptions in a season. 143. Recieving yards... I'd say even. If Moss pasted him it wouldnt be by much. He's not the second greatest and he's not the current greatest.

3) Did you guys see that block where Harrison punked Champ Bailey in the playoffs. Bailey tried to tackle Reggie Wayne before he got to the endzone and little Marvin wrecked Baileys shit. Wayne turned around before he even got to the endzone. Started back trotting to the endzone , pointing at the Harrison block. It was hilarious. Denver talked so much shit about our recievers being soft. Harrison went out there and cracked that sucker..lol ~ Sorry ~

[road doggy dogg]

Damn, you guys hear about that guard in SF that died yesterday after practice or whatever? Crazy shit.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by road doggy dogg Damn, you guys hear about that guard in SF that died yesterday after practice or whatever? Crazy shit.

After a game vs. Denver.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2139454

No word on cause yet.

[BCWWF]

Damnit there are like two pages of Moss talk and I can't bother to read them all, but as another person who has watched him since being drafted, he is completely misunderstood on the national scale.

Owens and Moss are not the same player and they are not the same personality. Moss has been misquoted and misrepresented so many times in the national light. Owens simply isn't. You could make the same argument for Owens while he was on San Francisco, but since going to the Eagles everything he has done has been documented by ESPN, which includes long uncut interviews.

Remember last spring when ESPN aired a Barry Bonds interview, full and uncut? It showed a different side of Bonds, one that had only been described to us through the talking heads. Once we actually saw him, I know a few people changed their opinions. With TO, when he came out and started talking he just reassured everything that we were being told.

Moss said "I play when I want to play", and it was taken completely out of context. He has said a lot of things, and a lot of them are things that are true for all players, but only he came out and said it. When it came to big games with big opportunities, Moss always came through and never complained.

The worst part of everything is that the deciding moment came when he pretended to moon the Packers fans after sealing a huge victory in the playoffs. Joe Buck is disgusted, Sports Center overplays it, Woody Paige and Jay Mariotti analyze it, the Vikings get pressure, and they have to trade him. The trade may work out for the Vikings, but as a fan who followed him for years and who has real knowledge of whats behind all of these antics, I wish him the best. Besides one or two incidents he was a good guy in Minnesota and I wish him the best in Oakland.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Bean, I started to read your novel, but couldn't stop laughing and realised you just kept repeating your foolishness. By the way, Jeff George was a great QB he was also a HUGE head case, George's issue had nothing to do with his ability on the field. Moss is a good Wr, he's not the best in the NFL, not until he grows up and not giving 100% on ANY PLAY FOR ANY REASON is just plain crap.

At least I'm repeating myself, and not what I read on ESPN.com Page 2.

And George was a great QB? That right there is a very typical VEL quote. George... great QB... George... great QB... And you're laughing at ME?

Also, I never really thought about it, but Steamer and BCDub made a valid point. No player gives 100% on every play. Moss is the only one who came out and admitted it. And forever, you will say he's not the best WR in the NFL because he said this. You ignore stats. You ignore ability. All you care about is a quote you heard FIVE FUCKING YEARS AGO.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder Lets get a couple of things straight. 1) People knock me for going on and on about my team and certain players like Peyton Manning , Marvin Harrison and soon Marlin Jackson , because he is amazing. People including you Bean. Then you go on this big jerk fest about Moss. I'm not even gunna get witty here. I'll just laugh.

Jerk fest? Who's the idiot who called me an idiot then told me not to call anyone an idiot? Hmmmm...

Oh and as for me going on a jerk fest over Moss... I'm defending him, because I like him, because he was being attacked. I did not shove his schlong down my throat for no reason.

But hey, here's something for you...

2) Harrison = 845 receptions, 11,185 yards , 98 touchdowns , 9 years Moss = 574 receptions , 9,142 yards , 90 touchdowns. , 7 years Would Moss have Harrison on td's... Probably. On receptions... Hell no. Moss would have to average 145 receptions in those 2 years. BTW fun fact Bean. Harrison holds the record for most receptions in a season. 143. Recieving yards... I'd say even. If Moss pasted him it wouldnt be by much. He's not the second greatest and he's not the current greatest.

Through the first 7, Moss holds the record, okay. Now, you keep saying "Receptions! Receptions!" Who gives a fuck? Moss wasn't the #1 receiver until what, his 4th year? Then he got 100 receptions. The problem is, anyone can get 100 receptions if you throw the ball to them. What matters is what they do with the ball. That means yards and that means points scored.

So let's do a little division.

Harrison: 13.236686 yards per reception.

Moss: 15.926829 yards per reception. Close to 3 more yards per catch.

Harrison: 8.62244 receptions per every TD scored.

Moss: 6.377777 receptions per every TD scored.

Now let's also take into consideration, Harrison who has been in the league two years longer than Moss having 98 touchdowns at this point in his career.

That means, to surpass him, Moss has two seasons to catch 8 TDs. Hmm. Can he do it? Who knows? I mean, he takes plays off, and doesn't go over the middle... I highly doubt he can keep up his pace of nearly 13 TDS per season. I say he only gets 3 this year, and 4 tops next season.

So good job. Harrison has more receptions.

Harrison: Averaging 1242.777 yards per season.

Moss: Averaging 1306 yards per season.

Hmm... we can keep going if you like.

In Harrison's career, 4,997 passes have been attempted by the Indianapolis Colts (An average of 555.22 per year). Of those attempts, 16.9% have been CAUGHT by Harrison (I do not know the statistic for 'thrown to') In Moss's career, 3743 passes have been thrown (an average of 534 per year --21 less than the Colts). Of those attempts, 15.33 have been CAUGHT by Moss, which, barring a gross disparity of drops between the two, that means that Harrison has seen the greater bulk of throws go his way, leading to a greater chance of Harrison having more receptions -- and better stats overall.

However, as I have shown, Harrison only has the lead in receptions, and rightly so, with a 2.6% difference in receptions from an offense that threw 1254 more times in his career than the Vikings have in Moss's career. Had Moss been thrown to more often, on a team that didn't lead the NFL in rushing for a good 5 of the years he's been in the league, then maybe -- just maybe -- Moss would have more receptions.

But remember this: If Moss had as many receptions as Harrison, he would have 13,457.47 yards receiving in his career. And at the rate Moss scores touchdowns, if he had the ball thrown to him as often as Harrison, he would have 132.491 touchdowns so far in his career.

Both of these stats are slightly higher than those of Harrison's... and then, if we do a per-year average, as opposed to a TOTAL... well, you get the point.

So there you go. Harrison has more receptions than Randy Moss, therefore he is better.

[The Outlaw]

Noone gives 100% on every play? Get real.

I dunno, TO is mad chill away from the game. You put a camera in front of him and he just gets a hard-on for controversy and drama. Randy is just an immature baby. That's the difference between them.

[AlphaBean]

Don't forget -- Moss is also a better player.

Moss isn't mad chill? Come on. Moss is more Mad Chill than Owens.

Moss is more Mad Chill than anyone.

Also, ROFL at Mad Chill.

Also, GOD that last post by me was pathetic. I spent way too much time doing it, on company time.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by The Outlaw Noone gives 100% on every play? Get real. I dunno, TO is mad chill away from the game. You put a camera in front of him and he just gets a hard-on for controversy and drama. Randy is just an immature baby. That's the difference between them.

Who has 100% to give? When you're down 4 TDs, you take your starters out so they don't get hurt. They aren't playing in an unwinnable situation. So Moss sees his team playing like shit, and he takes himself out of the game. It's immature, but it's the same logic. How many offensive linemen continue to block the defensive end when the ball is in the receiver's hand and 20 yards downfield? How many DEs continue to rush the QB for that matter?

And how many of these people are running 50 yard deep routes on every play?

Nobody tracks a player taking a play off unless it's newsworthy. They want to show highlights unless they want to villify a player, and convince VEL that he never ever tries. I love it. Moss is lazy... but you guys just keep ignoring stats.

Oh and, I'll tell you someone who doesn't give 100% on every play: Donovan McNabb, who gets tired and sick in the Superbowl!

[The Outlaw]

Better player? Dunno, hard comparison.

Also, I don't know if it was you that poked fun at the fact that someone pointed out that TO carried his team in the superbowl. Said something about them winning the games he was not in and losing the superbowl. That's pretty ridiculous. You could take an All-Star team of the two teams they beat in the Divisional playoffs and the conference championships (Minnesota and Atlanta) and that team would still be nowhere close to the quality of the Pats.

[AlphaBean]

Oh and one more thing: VEL said that I keep repeating myself. It just hit me right now, that the only way you can teach dogs, children and retards is through repetition. It's the only way they will learn. Also with treats, but I don't have any treats.

Though I will give a positive rep to anyone who gets their head out of their ass in this thread. I promise!

[The Outlaw]

But yet, TO gave 100% even with a bum ankle on EVERY SINGLE PLAY.

AKA he CARRIED HIS TEAM.

Oh, but they lost that game to the best team in the NFL while they beat two shit teams without TO, so it doesn't matter.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by The Outlaw Better player? Dunno, hard comparison. Also, I don't know if it was you that poked fun at the fact that someone pointed out that TO carried his team in the superbowl. Said something about them winning the games he was not in and losing the superbowl. That's pretty ridiculous. You could take an All-Star team of the two teams they beat in the Divisional playoffs and the conference championships (Minnesota and Atlanta) and that team would still be nowhere close to the quality of the Pats.

Exactly. So the Eagles outplayed the Vicks and the Vikes, yet Owens' best effort didn't make them good enough to beat the Patriots. Ridiculous? Not really. The fact is, stats don't mean shit without the W. And if it wasn't Owens getting his yards, it'd have been someone else, like Greg Lewis... who scored a TD himself. Or maybe FredEx, who never even got a ball thrown to him until late in the game, if I recall correctly. But the fact is, yeah. Owens had a good game in the SuperBowl in a losing effort. So did, I think, Muhsin Mohammed. Pretty sure Bruce or Holt did too.

But the Pats still won. Owens carried his team to a loss. It's not ridiculous, because IT IS TRUE.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by The Outlaw But yet, TO gave 100% even with a bum ankle on EVERY SINGLE PLAY. AKA he CARRIED HIS TEAM. Oh, but they lost that game to the best team in the NFL while they beat two shit teams without TO, so it doesn't matter.

Every single play... IN THE SUPERBOWL.

Don't be an idiot. Everyone gives 100% in the Superbowl. Nobody is too hurt to play in the Superbowl. I said every play. I didn't say every play in one game. I said every play. That they have been in. Every play, ever. Nobody plays 100% all preseason, in the waning moments of the 4th quarter when it's not a close game. Nobody. Except Terrell Owens?

And I already posted... they lost with Owens. He didn't do enough to win. He carried his team in a losing effort. Therefore, who cares what he did? It could have been anyone, but he had the ball thrown to him the most.

[The Outlaw]

Oh so you are now saying Freddie Mitchell would have gotten the catches/yards if TO would have been injured? Come on. Some reaching going on here. Harrison fucked Mitchell up the whole game.

To be honest, the players that are in the 4th quarter of preseason games are probably giving 100%, considering they are 3rd/4th/5th stringers fighting for a spot on the roster.

I'm not even real sure why we are having this argument tbh. Moss is a beast, Owens is a beast. One guy likes to take plays off and shoots his mouth off about it; one guy just likes to shoot his mouth off. They can both be distractions and cancers, but they both can play and both could be the top 2 receivers in the game.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by AlphaBean At least I'm repeating myself, and not what I read on ESPN.com Page 2. And George was a great QB? That right there is a very typical VEL quote. George... great QB... George... great QB... And you're laughing at ME? Also, I never really thought about it, but Steamer and BCDub made a valid point. No player gives 100% on every play. Moss is the only one who came out and admitted it. And forever, you will say he's not the best WR in the NFL because he said this. You ignore stats. You ignore ability. All you care about is a quote you heard FIVE FUCKING YEARS AGO.

1) No idea what you're talking about ESPN... but whatever you want to make up that helps you feel like you're right.

2) Did you ever watch George play? or look at his stats? The guy had a cannon arm, and great accuracy. His issues were like TO, w/ coaches and not keeping his mouth shut, but he did it in a day when players couldn't get away with that.

and steamer and bcdub can say what they want, NFL players give 100% every play if they want to win, they don't take plays off, they don't walk off the field when there is a chance to win (yeah, onside kick, there is still a chance to win).

Seriously, I'll say it one last time and then this dance has gone on long enough, Moss is a GREAT WR, he is NOT the best in the NFL right now, he is NOT the first WR that would be taken for a team in the NFL right now and he is NOT the best WR to play all time. As for the last part, talk to me again in 5yrs then we can discuss the "ALL-Time" stuff, too early in his career to put him there.

[The Outlaw]

Darren Urban, of the East Valley Tribune, reports Arizona Cardinals WR Anquan Boldin made his preseason debut during the team's game Saturday, Aug. 20. He had a 49-yard touchdown reception called back on a holding penalty. Boldin was so jacked up after the TD catch he turned to the end zone and tossed the ball fastball-style at the wall. The problem was that Boldin was high, and the ball sailed into the stands and apparently hit a fan.

ROFLLLLL

[Mr. Monday Morning]

lol I read that as Boldin was 'high', I was thinking "how the hell would they know that? "

[MoRcHeEbA]

MOSS > THAN YOUR MOTHERS

[MoRcHeEbA]

fags

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA MOSS > THAN YOUR MOTHERS

Isn't "> Than" (then) redundent?

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by BCWWF Vikings, but as a fan who followed him for years and who has real knowledge of whats behind all of these antics

missed that the first time I read it.

So, what's behind "all these antics".

Broken home? Lack of a father/mother figure? Bad influences at school? Please do tell...

(yeah, I know what you meant but the way it came out sounded funny!)

[DegenerationY]

Originally Posted by road doggy dogg Damn, you guys hear about that guard in SF that died yesterday after practice or whatever? Crazy shit.

Yeah, totally unexpected

Still no word on a cause. Autopsy was inconclusive.

[MoRcHeEbA]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Isn't "> Than" (then) redundent?

yes it is. However when you were gone for 6 months I always used to do that to bug sTiMa34 and now I just always do it as a running joke.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA yes it is. However when you were gone for 6 months I always used to do that to bug sTiMa34 and now I just always do it as a running joke.

Ahh, ok... did I miss anything else while I was gone?