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Old 02-08-2016, 09:36 PM   #1
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I actually singlehandedly popped the territory. I was lurking for a while. Place was dead. The wrestling forum needs me.
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Old 02-06-2016, 12:39 PM   #2
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But if the ratings in this thread drop but are still then other threads, do we all get to high five each other in main page hallway?
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Old 02-06-2016, 01:10 PM   #3
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The status quo booking of this thread could lead to problems down the road BUT for now, business is good and our merch sakes are thru the roof.
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Old 02-07-2016, 06:21 PM   #4
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Old 02-07-2016, 06:36 PM   #5
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Caring about these ratings as a fan at all is the true retardation.
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Old 02-07-2016, 08:42 PM   #6
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I don't think so at all. Caring about ratings is a good way to web interests between professional wrestling, how it's presented, television, marketing and societal trends. The business side of professional wrestling might not be something everyone is interested in, but some surely are.
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Old 02-08-2016, 02:43 PM   #7
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I don't think so at all. Caring about ratings is a good way to web interests between professional wrestling, how it's presented, television, marketing and societal trends. The business side of professional wrestling might not be something everyone is interested in, but some surely are.
Really only I appear to be. That's why I make the informed points. Everyone else parrots a narrative they heard from other places who feed off selling "the sky is falling stories".
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Old 02-08-2016, 03:07 PM   #8
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Everyone else parrots a narrative they heard from other places who feed off selling "the sky is falling stories".
There you go again doing your zero reading comprehension, moron, troll thing.

Who the hell here has said the sky is falling?

I can't speak for everyone here, but I don't think anyone has said the sky is falling in terms of WWE's finances. All we're saying is that the quality of creative has and is still falling, which in turn could lead to a downturn in WWE's finances long term and in some cases may already have. No one is saying WWE is going under though.
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Old 02-08-2016, 03:18 PM   #9
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Presented chronologically in this very thread. Smeat with the first valid point of discussion (not being sarcastic, etc.)

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Not surprised. Even with the dirtsheets teasing Vince and the WWE were in panic mode, RAW felt the same as its been for weeks in terms of lack of meaningful stuff.

Too many potential great things have been squandered (ex. Divas Revolution, Ceasro), too many feuds are just dragging on (ex. Rusev-Zig, Wyatts-Shield Bros, Comic Book feud), and too much focus on the same old stuff every week (ex. constant rematches, Authority promos, Rollins promos, Cena promos).

A rumor floating on Neogaf's wrestling thread for a bit was about the WWE holding off on doing a big "reboot" until after Mania since all they care about right now is legit breaking Mania's attendance record and older stars as the key to it.

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Always funny to me when people blame creative for everything. They give two guys a chance to carry the ball, and the viewing audience rejects it. This is why Cena continues to have the ball and deserves to.

That said, I think you have to expect some drop off at this time of year. Its like the time before Mania storylines start to heat up, and football is back. Its a tough time for ratings. And yet, I bet RAW was still one of the most watched things on cable on Monday.
CyNick bringing up a point no one argued. Slik quoted the ratings drop, but we all know Slik and his serious business ONLY journalism skills pertaining to the wrasslin world. And here we are in the middle of the road to Mania and shit is still the same, except HHH is champ

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The drop-off for football is usually in the 300,000 mark. That's not enough to account for record lows. I think a stale product, a stale format, too long a show, shitty booking and the method of how television is being watched these days all have their part in it.
Noid bringing up the original points of contention.

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Here's another way to look at the ratings - RAW was the SECOND MOST watched show on all of cable on Monday

quick - everyone panic!!!

Its amateur journalism to report on TV numbers without understanding the landscape of how people consumer entertainment. But that is par for the course in the industry.
CyNick arguing with someone again, but who? Slik when he R/T the ratings?

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There you go again doing your zero reading comprehension, moron, troll thing.

Who the hell here has said the sky is falling?

I can't speak for everyone here, but I don't think anyone has said the sky is falling in terms of WWE's finances. All were saying is that the quality of creative has and is still falling, which in turn could lead to a downturn in WWE's finances long term and in some cases may already have. No one is saying WWE is going under though.
To validate Crip, CyNick said the sky is falling and from what I can tell, no one originally stated that WWE is going under.
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:28 PM   #10
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There you go again doing your zero reading comprehension, moron, troll thing.

Who the hell here has said the sky is falling?

I can't speak for everyone here, but I don't think anyone has said the sky is falling in terms of WWE's finances. All we're saying is that the quality of creative has and is still falling, which in turn could lead to a downturn in WWE's finances long term and in some cases may already have. No one is saying WWE is going under though.
And again, and this will get glossed over, but your opinion on creative is irrelevant. Just like mine is.

There is no evidence people are no longer consuming the WWE product. So there's no reason to say creative is down. Its just YOUR opinion. Which, again, is irrelevant.
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Old 02-18-2016, 09:00 AM   #11
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And again, and this will get glossed over, but your opinion on creative is irrelevant. Just like mine is.

There is no evidence people are no longer consuming the WWE product. So there's no reason to say creative is down. Its just YOUR opinion. Which, again, is irrelevant.
A lot of people here said they stopped watching, myself included.
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Old 02-07-2016, 09:26 PM   #12
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It's just a talking point and something to reference in regards to the standing of the company and how the product is being received.

There is a value to them, but obviously they don't tell the whole story... just a part of it.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:58 PM   #13
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:33 PM   #14
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When did 18-35 become 18-49? I thought 35 was the top of the list of the demo.
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:59 PM   #15
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I thought it was 18-34?
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Old 02-09-2016, 01:44 AM   #16
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Feel like all this "it was number one on this day" or "such and such beat it out" is just fodder. The fact is, ratings are down for Raw. They're consistently losing viewers and consistently have issues holding viewers.

Regardless of what other shows are doing I can't fathom people giving each other high fives in the hallway when news breaks that last week saw yet another drop in viewers. Doesn't seem like something that'd be viewed as celebratory.
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It might be pretty easy to have Charlotte, Natalya & Paige form a loose heel alliance to go against Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch & Bayley.
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Monday's episode of WWE RAW, featuring Daniel Bryan's retirement speech in the main event slot, drew 3.726 million viewers. This is up from last week's 3.383 million viewers but down from the over 4 million they drew for the post-Royal Rumble episode two weeks ago.

For this week's show, the first hour drew 3.907 million viewers, the second hour drew 3.905 million viewers and the final hour drew 3.368 million viewers.
Biggest surprise was the really low 3rd hour but maybe also could have pushed near sub-3 numbers without Bryan's retirement spot at the end.

For some comparison, the post-Rumble show was 4.09 million in viewers.

Only the 9pm hour beat out Love & Hip Hop show for the ratings stuff.

EDIT: Some confusion going around the next regarding the long over-run being included or not for ratings and viewership but one of the top ratings sources (ShowBizzDaily) states it was included.
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:24 AM   #26
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I'm guessing nobody bothered to read the financial reports for WWE or listen to Vince himself taking about ratings? Might clear some things up for you gents.
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:32 AM   #27
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I'm guessing nobody bothered to read the financial reports for WWE or listen to Vince himself taking about ratings? Might clear some things up for you gents.
So now that WWE has no real competition and ratings are down Vince claims they suddenly don't care about them. How convenient.

Also, sure seems like WWE's investors care about them. Maybe WWE should too.
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:29 PM   #28
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So now that WWE has no real competition and ratings are down Vince claims they suddenly don't care about them. How convenient.

Also, sure seems like WWE's investors care about them. Maybe WWE should too.
Why do you think companies like WWE try to draw high TV ratings?
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:55 AM   #29
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I'm guessing nobody bothered to read the financial reports for WWE or listen to Vince himself taking about ratings? Might clear some things up for you gents.

Which NO ONE, sans yourself, actually gives a fuck about.


Again, it is more of the weekly content that is just so fucking BLEH!!!

This Monday, the go home show before a PPV (which their goal should be to up subscribers) the fucking main event had STROWMAN v..... don't even need to go there.


Just watch it, it was awful.
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Which NO ONE, sans yourself, actually gives a fuck about.


Again, it is more of the weekly content that is just so fucking BLEH!!!

This Monday, the go home show before a PPV (which their goal should be to up subscribers) the fucking main event had STROWMAN v..... don't even need to go there.


Just watch it, it was awful.
I wouldnt call the show awful, but I did think the main event was brutal. Not sure why they went with that.
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Old 02-16-2016, 11:28 AM   #31
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I think this thread is about low ratings not WWE's Finances.
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I think this thread is about low ratings not WWE's Finances.
Its all been blended together.
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Old 02-16-2016, 12:00 PM   #33
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"Let's go out for a burger, I know this really cool place downtown that makes an amazing burger. Has 5/5 on yelp"

"No lets go to McDonalds"

"I want a good tasting burger not something from McDonalds"

"Have you seen their financial reports? They did better business this year than any other year."
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"Let's go out for a burger, I know this really cool place downtown that makes an amazing burger. Has 5/5 on yelp"

"No lets go to McDonalds"

"I want a good tasting burger not something from McDonalds"

"Have you seen their financial reports? They did better business this year than any other year."
So in your mind is like TNA the Burger joint getting 5/5 by the 3 or 4 people who live in their parent's basement and are active on Yelp?
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Old 02-18-2016, 08:58 AM   #35
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So in your mind is like TNA the Burger joint getting 5/5 by the 3 or 4 people who live in their parent's basement and are active on Yelp?
No, and you are reaching for thinking that.

Also if we are going stereo typically are WWE fans not living in their parents basement?
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Old 02-16-2016, 09:24 PM   #36
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Current speculation for this week's ratings and viewers is to expect a low result for both and even a possible new historic-low.

Actual numbers got delayed by a day but early results for last night's Grammy Awards show has it pulling NFL-range type numbers.
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Old 02-16-2016, 09:57 PM   #37
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It was a boring show with a really bad main-event featuring two talents that aren't exactly over huge with their fans. I don't expect the ratings to be pretty, especially for the last quarter.
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Old 02-17-2016, 08:26 AM   #38
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And they aren't huge because they aren't even featured semi-regularly!

Strowman v. Big Show (who cried b/c of The Rock in a "comedy" spot which was awful).

Just for Kane to come up from the ring and have the Wyatt's "running like the New Faces of Fear" should do!!!

Worst RAW I have seen in ages. Barely watched while doing other things.
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But it's okay because WWE is #1 with their mediocre ratings. They can be boring forever!
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:36 AM   #40
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By the way, like CyNick, if Vince truly thinks that ratings don't matter anymore and WWE doesn't care about them, why did Vince randomly come back to TV as a character? What was the point if not to drive up the ratings?
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