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burning skulls, chains, and bitchin' hogs 10 38.46%
symbiosis, awesome capes, and hanging out with demon clowns 16 61.54%
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:13 AM   #41
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I think the gimmick of having superhero gimmicks passed onto other characers is shit. It's been done to death in the past 10 or 15 years. I never liked it, and that's not going to change. It's the comic book equivalent of having lookalikes take on the Diesel and Razor personas.
Either that, or it's a cheap shakeup by having another established character don their costume and powers, as if it were a position in the workplace that had openings. In most cases, the hero persona and the real person behind it are intertwined, and defined by eachother. It's part of what makes the characters compelling.
It may have been done to death recently, but when legacy characters were fairly rare, it could be pretty damn cool. Not to mention the concept of other Spirits of Vengeance and Hellspawn are both fairly well-established in the backstories of both.

I don't know about modern times so much, but it's no more or less than any other plot device. Used frequently, it sucks. Used well, it's awesome.
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:26 PM   #42
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I have not read or seen any comics/movies related to Spawn at all.

I have little exposure to Ghost Rider as well. I read his latest series. Which got pretty good by the end.

So I vote Ghost Rider just because.
Spawn was actually pretty good up until issue 100. It should have ended there, as that was the big finale that the book had been building to since issue 1. But instead, they keep going, and it's all boring, as they can't possibly top the heaven vs hell war. That's when I really started to dislike the character.

Other thing I really hate about spawn is all the unnecessary text. I mean ffs, some issues were practically novels. And I have no problem with lots of text, as long as it's relevant, but 75% of this shit, we didn't need to read. I don't need to read about how dark and macabre spawn and his world are AGAIN.
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:32 PM   #43
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That seems very silly tbh.

What's the point of the poll when people are voting for two completely different things?

Should just pick one or the other and just go with it.

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Probably because people will use both anyway, so there's no point in a pretense otherwise?
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:34 PM   #44
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One dude rode a motorcycle and had chains

The other ended up being more powerful than God and Satan, cmon.
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The other ended up being more powerful than God and Satan, cmon.
How is that even possible?
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Old 05-10-2010, 04:43 PM   #46
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Comic book.
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That is a dumb excuse. Just because it is a comic book doesn't mean it can stop making sense.
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Old 05-10-2010, 05:17 PM   #48
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That is a dumb excuse. Just because it is a comic book doesn't mean it can stop making sense.
Do I need to post the "armlock-in-space" picture again?

Comics are retarded sometimes.
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Because they are doesn't mean they should be.
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Old 05-10-2010, 06:18 PM   #50
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Do I need to post the "armlock-in-space" picture again?

Comics are retarded sometimes.
And when they are, they deserve scorn.
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That is a dumb excuse. Just because it is a comic book doesn't mean it can stop making sense.
What about him becoming more powerful than god or satan doesn't make sense?
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What about him becoming more powerful than god or satan doesn't make sense?
To be fair, the "traditional" depiction of God is an entity that can literally do anything, be everywhere and know all things.

To be more powerful than the Christian God would require doing more than anything, being more than everywhere and knowing more than all. Assuming "more powerful than God" isn't bluntly defined as "can overrule God."
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he was never more powerful than god... he just beat the devil. Who was a demon that beat the original devil, Lucifer, in the first place.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:12 PM   #55
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He ended up being more powerful than all the warriors god threw at him, but he was more of a good guy that the guys fighting for heaven so who knows
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Old 05-10-2010, 09:30 PM   #56
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Why can't Spawn be more powerful than God and Satan for convaluted comic book reasons? God and Satan aren't given any better explanation as entities, and people actually believe they exist.
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:25 AM   #57
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Actually in the comics There is a dude/entity called Man of Miracles (M.O.M) Who is resposible for the creation of both God and Satan he came to earth once as Jesus Christ.

And he gives Spawn powers greater than that of God and Satan who are basically squabbling siblings.


I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:35 AM   #58
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right but in the sense of what most people see as god, he is not more powerful than MOM
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right but in the sense of what most people see as god, he is not more powerful than MOM
I hope you wrote that on your Mother's Day card.
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Old 05-11-2010, 03:50 AM   #60
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Yeah forgot about M.O.M.
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That is a dumb excuse. Just because it is a comic book doesn't mean it can stop making sense.
Yeah, that excuse is reserved for the bible only.
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Yeah forgot about DRE
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Do I need to post the "armlock-in-space" picture again?

Comics are retarded sometimes.
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What about him becoming more powerful than god or satan doesn't make sense?
How can Satan, who by logical defination is less powerful than an all powerful God create something more powerful than himself and God?

Also why would Satan create something more powerful than himself if he can't fully control it?

Don't just say "comic books."
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Yeah, that excuse is reserved for the bible only.
No, it doesn't even make sense for the bible.
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Actually in the comics There is a dude/entity called Man of Miracles (M.O.M) Who is resposible for the creation of both God and Satan he came to earth once as Jesus Christ.

And he gives Spawn powers greater than that of God and Satan who are basically squabbling siblings.


I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP
So this M.O.M. is closer to God than God in the comic book. Therefore Spawn never beat God.
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How can Satan, who by logical defination is less powerful than an all powerful God create something more powerful than himself and God?

Also why would Satan create something more powerful than himself if he can't fully control it?

Don't just say "comic books."
Because the conventional thought of god is not what god is in the comic. In the spawn comics, god isnt even a complete good guy. Its more like god and satan are equals who are fighting it out.

The actual creator who is all powerful, and spawn was/is/never will be as powerful as is the Man of Miracles, who gave spawn the power to be more powerful than his creator (malbogia [the devil] and god)
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So this M.O.M. is closer to God than God in the comic book. Therefore Spawn never beat God.
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Because the conventional thought of god is not what god is in the comic. In the spawn comics, god isnt even a complete good guy. Its more like god and satan are equals who are fighting it out.

The actual creator who is all powerful, and spawn was/is/never will be as powerful as is the Man of Miracles, who gave spawn the power to be more powerful than his creator (malbogia [the devil] and god)
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That is just stupid then. I know, I know, comic books written by artest instead of writers. Which explains why it sucks, doesn't make it ok though.
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Why is it stupid to change the mythology of God and Satan? It was simple, unexplainable, and childish to begin with
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Why is it stupid to make a character patterned after the Christian God, named God, only to make him less powerful and the reveal he was created by a more powerful being who is the true creator? I don't know, you tell me.

I'm not arguing this from a Christian point of view, I'm a arguing this from a well that was just stupid, point of view.
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Well clearly you are arguing from a christian point of view because you want it to follow those guidelines. Whos to say the christian god doesnt have a creator? If in fact the christian god is real.
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Well clearly you are arguing from a christian point of view because you want it to follow those guidelines. Whos to say the christian god doesnt have a creator? If in fact the christian god is real.
I'm arguing if you going to use Christian mythology only to reveal at the end the guy you were calling God was infact a creation of a more powerful being that is closer to God than the character you were calling God, that is retarded. From a plot presective, it is silly and pointless.
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Also, if anything it was based on the Old Testament god, given what an asshole he is. Maybe we should get a jew in here to clear this all up.

Or not, since it is just a fucking fictional story. You can't say "oh well the bible says this" because, no offense to your beliefs but, there's about as much evidence of the bible being true as there are this comic book.
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That isn't the point I'm arguing, Numbnuts. I'm arguing why take an existing mythos only to make it more convoluted. I doesn't offend me, it just don't make a lick of sense.
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Because he's not basing his story on an entire mythos. He's only taking the concept of a god and a devil, and creating his own mythos from there.
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It seems so pointless. I would be equal peeved if a comic book had say Zeus who was poised to look like Zeus, named Zeus, and be Zeus only to be less powerful and his father turned out to create all of the other gods the way Zeus was suppose to, and his father actually through lightning bolts and so forth. So in effect his father, who isn't named Zeus, but Greek Omniscient Dude or G.O.D. for short to be more Zeus like than Zeus.
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Well, God of War and Clash of the Titans take a lot of liberties with greek mythology, so go pick on them for a while.

Also yeah, Zeus' dad did create some of the other gods.
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Well, God of War and Clash of the Titans take a lot of liberties with greek mythology, so go pick on them for a while.

Also yeah, Zeus' dad did create some of the other gods.
I haven't play God of War or watched Clash of the titians, though I've heard thing about God of War doing that, and it does annoy me, but we are dicussing Spawn here. I actaully have no problem with taking existing Christian mythos and taking liberties with it when it is done well. When it is done just as a big shitty reveal where God isn't God, but M.O.M. is God, that is dumb.
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Well clearly you are arguing from a christian point of view because you want it to follow those guidelines. Whos to say the christian god doesnt have a creator? If in fact the christian god is real.
I agree with BDC, though I have no interest in arguing as fervently as BDC does.

Am I clearly arguing from the Christian perspective? I'm just curious, since I normally get shit for being not just an atheist, but an antitheist.

Pretty sure you and a couple other of those guys arguing this makes sense have taken shots at, say, Stephanie Meyers for bad writing and not using traditional vampires. If you specifically have not, I apologise, but I'm pretty sure you have.

I mean, it's just fiction and whatnot, but it doesn't stop people from rawslobberbitchmoaning about it.
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