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Old 08-19-2010, 12:09 PM   #41
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She's not that good. BUT, she can take a bump, and a good one too. (Through tables etc)
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Old 08-19-2010, 12:45 PM   #42
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TNA and WWE are both sexist.WWE in a "We don't want no ugly bitches." way.TNA in the "Look at this girls boobies!" kind of way. TNA does have better wrestlers in the knockout division though.
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Old 08-19-2010, 12:55 PM   #43
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TNA does have boobs on display, but at least their DIVAs aren't consistently used in 3v3 swim suit/evening wear/summer time/sexy attire/etc. matches.

Only recent thing I can think of is Lacey putting on the start of a strip show, but that was quite rudely interrupted by, something the WWE hardly has any of, the storyline of the women's division.
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Old 08-19-2010, 02:55 PM   #44
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Maskless (on the left, I believe, I think the girl on the right is a fan...not sure though. Either way, with looks like that, there's no fucking way WWE can be serious saying she needs the mask, unless they want her to be like the first/next huge WWE Diva who is also a luchador or something...even then, though, I'm not so sure I'd approve of the mask.)
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Old 08-19-2010, 02:57 PM   #45
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Not buying it. They made Booker a king, gave Ron Simmons his own catchphrase, and there have been TWO latino heavyweight champions... on Smackdown
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Old 08-20-2010, 03:00 AM   #46
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The most puzzling part is: if women's wrestling is so unimportant to WWE as to be strictly thought of as eye candy and piss breaks, why even have a champion, let alone TWO? Well, technically three, (for some reason, I dig the gimmicked "best friends" half-belts) although WWE is really not taking advantge of this as a storyline at all. They did better with Jericho/Chyna as Co-IC strap holders.
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Old 08-20-2010, 03:09 AM   #47
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The most puzzling part is: if women's wrestling is so unimportant to WWE as to be strictly thought of as eye candy and piss breaks, why even have a champion, let alone TWO? Well, technically three, (for some reason, I dig the gimmicked "best friends" half-belts) although WWE is really not taking advantge of this as a storyline at all. They did better with Jericho/Chyna as Co-IC strap holders.
Got a feeling the 2 are about to become 1, as
SPOILER: show
Why else would Lay-Cool make an "offer" to Melina if she weren't Divas' Champion (supposedly happened on the RAW taped to air Monday, why it's not Live is beyond me), especially seeing as Theodore Long recently ordered Layla and Michelle to have only one of them hold the Women's Championship? Seems pretty obvious they're going to unify them by or before NoC to me.
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Old 08-20-2010, 05:00 AM   #48
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I just meant that why bother crowning a women's wrestling champion at all if getting women wrestlers aren't that important?

And why then, should they "look like they belong in Playboy"... yet get future endeavored if they WERE in Playboy, or have photographic evidence of showing the goodies in any way, shape, or form?

Nevermind, my head hurts. I should stop beating this dead horse and just lookit all the pretties.
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Old 08-20-2010, 05:11 AM   #49
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I just meant that why bother crowning a women's wrestling champion at all if getting women wrestlers aren't that important?

And why then, should they "look like they belong in Playboy"... yet get future endeavored if they WERE in Playboy, or have photographic evidence of showing the goodies in any way, shape, or form?

Nevermind, my head hurts. I should stop beating this dead horse and just lookit all the pretties.
A.) Because believe it or not, some divas actually want something to strive for, and very few, 2 that I can count, Jacqueline and Chyna have ever gone on to win anything other than the Women's title. Jacqueline captured the Cruiserweight Championship off Jamie Noble for a bit, and of course Chyna was and still is the only female (although not really, technically, but still...) IC Champion.

B.) In the type of environment WWE is in (PG) these days, they can't always be putting on bra & panties matches and bikini spectaculars and this-and-that. They actually have to make an effort to try and show that the divas are more than just eye-candy, even if only marginally so.
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:41 AM   #50
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B.) In the type of environment WWE is in (PG) these days, they can't always be putting on bra & panties matches and bikini spectaculars and this-and-that. They actually have to make an effort to try and show that the divas are more than just eye-candy, even if only marginally so.[/QUOTE]

I disagree here. Turning the divas into eye candy is exactly what they've done. Natalya and Maryse have been turned into arm candy. The Bellas exist for stupid guest host skits. Tamina is now in a comedy angle with Santino. The rest of them exist to team up with or lose to Melina who, interestingly enough, may have the most "Playboy" look out of all those who aren't valets or in comedy sketches.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:00 AM   #51
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Looking like you could be in Playboy =/= being in Playboy.

Seriously, how does that make your head hurt?

They want a clean image, but they still want "Playboy level" women to attract the guys.
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Old 08-23-2010, 06:08 AM   #52
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I think everyone was missing my point of the operative word I was trying to use being "wrestling". That's what made my head hurt. Everyone got so caught up about the "Playboy" part. It wasn't the Playboy vs PG image thing. I truly get that.

Maybe it was my sarcasm about what I consider a "mixed message" of Playboy model being the archetype, yet those who were actually Playboy models have to be distanced. I personally think this is funny. About as funny as people feigning massive suprise over steroids in baseball, yet loved the great homerun race between McGuire and Sosa. Sorry if I was too vague on that not being the focal point. I didn't want to make a whole "TL;DR" expositional piece or drag this topic on longer. Now I'm doing both. Thanks.

If they're willing to bypass great workers for the sake of pretty faces, why can't they fight over a tiara or something. To me, it is kind of like the World Champion being determined by a posedown competition. "David Otunga has a more impressive physique than Kurt Angle... lets give him the strap." Why is this automatically a less stupid concept when applied to the women's division??

They could have Salma Hayek and Cote de Pablo feud over looks more like who, and them being hot would pique my interest once, but one catfight would end that. Who would seriously want to see an extended multi-week feud over a title? It would relegate to "Ooh, hot entrance. Okay, PISS BREAK!" until the "real wrestlers" (read: men) come back.

WWE having two women's titles or even one eventual unified or whatever is kind of like that thing where Mankind was "awarded" the Hardcore belt. Before it was seemingly legitimized as an actual title (and well before the whole 24/7 craptacular made it back into a comedy act), it was supposed to be a joke- part of an angle. The women who can work aren't given the time or effort. The ones who look good but blow lots of spots or are limited in the ring even to a casual fan get title shots. How does this make you believe any of the female wrestlers should do anything but accompany guys to the ring and distract refs?

If no one gets the argument I tried to make this time, then I obviously fail.
I dragged this on longer than I wanted to in the first place.
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:42 AM   #53
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Can we really be surprised by the company that...made Trish Stratus bark like a dog, and had women wrestling in gravy?
Don't forget having Mae Young give birth to a hand. As well as anything else involving Mae Young pretty much.
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