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Old 09-19-2010, 06:51 PM   #41
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:05 PM   #42
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I feel ya. When I saw him it was the night of the freakish powerbomb botch with BJ Whitmer.

Basically, they were both on the top rope, Jimmy with his back to the ring, BJ facing the ring, and BJ went to powerbomb Jimmy off the top. He lifted him up, and BJ slipped, basically falling backwards out of the ring with Jimmy, who essentially hit the ropes/apron with his head, then the floor.

The entire place was dead quite because everyone thought Jimmy was essentially dead. When BJ rolled him into the ring and pinned him, and Jimmy kicked out, the place went crazy. One of the freakiest and coolest moments I've ever seen at a wrestling show ever.
Attempting stupid shit like this in front of much smaller crowds than ROH (even doing it for ROH is pretty stupid) for as little as just exs or if that half the time is probably my main problem with 'indys'. Along with MOVEZ, 'skinny guys', a lot of the fans (that's mainly aimed at places like ROH, DG:USA etc, which I'd barely class as indy) complete lack of/no desire to attempt to implement/bother learning any variety of 'psychology' (dislike that word), guys that don't wear a proper pair of boots, kickpads for the most part (kind of ties into the boots complaints), pleathers, a lack of decent gear in general, cowboy promoters, bodybuilder egos, guys being dropped on their heads, the attitude that dictates 'different = good no matter how little sense it makes', guys that don't 'get it', just the utter amount of shit knocking around in general.

All that said, there is still excellent indy wrestling to be found. It's just usually surrounded by the variants of the above list.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:07 PM   #43
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As a supporter of you and your deeds, I want to suggest that you not be so hostile. Sure, some people will always give joke responses but, hey, that just adds fun in the mix.
I see where you are coming from DTTS, but that first response made me think that it was just going to degenerate into the typical off topic that happens so often around here (just going from my short experience). I'm glad that it has spawned into what it has thus far though. There is actual discussion going on, which is good.

As far as Jimmy Jacobs, he's a hard guy not to like, he was at one of the first indy shows I went to. He's a hard worker for sure. On top of that, he actually holds a win over Eddie Guererro in a WWE ring, it was by DQ, but hey, a win is a win.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:09 PM   #44
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Lol where to begin.
1) The fans are so fucking aggrivating. They spend the entire show trying to get themselves over. Every match according to them is the match of the year.
2) I know you hate this but the vast majority is no selling, spot monkies who take themselves way too seriously. Every promo is about respect and honour and intense.
I once saw Davey Richards pull out a sword, cut off Rodrick Strong's head(who the the classic"vanilla indy guy) and Strong kicked out at two. I know wrestling is fake, but christ, seeing every match where each wrestler kicks out of their opponents finisher 10 times is retarded.
3) The fans. They are that fucking aggrivating and whine like emo bitches the minute somebody attacks their backyard promotion.
4) The fans. Douchebag losers who thinks it's hilarious throwing ties at Danielson. They really think they are so witty and clever, spending weeks looking up obscure references to yell. Fucking losers!
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:10 PM   #45
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Oh, I seriously hate head drops.

And more than anything, I hate Generico's brain buster.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:12 PM   #46
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I will agree with Gertner that Roderick Strong is insanely vanilla, should be nowhere near a mic, and outside of his ring work which is above average at best, he doesn't have many redeeming qualities.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:13 PM   #47
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Lol where to begin.
1) The fans are so fucking aggrivating. They spend the entire show trying to get themselves over. Every match according to them is the match of the year.
2) I know you hate this but the vast majority is no selling, spot monkies who take themselves way too seriously. Every promo is about respect and honour and intense.
I once saw Davey Richards pull out a sword, cut off Rodrick Strong's head(who the the classic"vanilla indy guy) and Strong kicked out at two. I know wrestling is fake, but christ, seeing every match where each wrestler kicks out of their opponents finisher 10 times is retarded.
3) The fans. They are that fucking aggrivating and whine like emo bitches the minute somebody attacks their backyard promotion.
4) The fans. Douchebag losers who thinks it's hilarious throwing ties at Danielson. They really think they are so witty and clever, spending weeks looking up obscure references to yell. Fucking losers!
And I was called hostile...jeeze man, you need a happy pill, let me send you some of mine
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:14 PM   #48
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:15 PM   #49
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Oh yeah, number 5 : workrate.

And to clear something up, I've watched ROH/DGUSA numerous times. It's not the wrestling that turns me off. I'd actually like to go to an ROH event. It's the fucking fans that turns me off. I went to a TNA event last week and I spent half the time wanting to punch these three smarks who would not stop yelling out retarded shit in an attempt to get themselves over.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:22 PM   #51
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And it's like the fans get offended when you don't do what they want.
I'm pretty sure there was a backlash because Tyler Black wasn't made champ when "the fans" wanted it. It's so friggen stupid. I like watching WWE and to an extent TNA because I find marks less annoying. You can watch it with anybody and everybody just chills. With indy wrestling it's like it effects their day if something doesn't go the way the fans want it to go.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:24 PM   #52
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And it's like the fans get offended when you don't do what they want.
I'm pretty sure there was a backlash because Tyler Black wasn't made champ when "the fans" wanted it. It's so friggen stupid. I like watching WWE and to an extent TNA because I find marks less annoying. You can watch it with anybody and everybody just chills. With indy wrestling it's like it effects their day if something doesn't go the way the fans want it to go.
Sounds like hardcore sports fans. The kind that will sit there and talk about stats the entire game.

People like this are everywhere.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:25 PM   #53
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Oh, I seriously hate head drops.

And more than anything, I hate Generico's brain buster.
The turnbuckle one? If so, yeah, absolute fucking joke.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:27 PM   #54
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Sounds like hardcore sports fans. The kind that will sit there and talk about stats the entire game.

People like this are everywhere.
I get your point, but
The difference in my opinion is sports are real. You are essentially getting pissed at a male version of a soap opera
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:30 PM   #55
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The difference in my opinion is sports are real. You are essentially getting pissed at a male version of a soap opera
See, this is what I don't get. What does the fact that it's "real" have anything to do with anything? Will your favorite baseball team losing affect your life in any way?

Just because it isn't real doesn't mean it doesn't draw real emotion. I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're not in terms of a lot of the fans. But to dismiss it just because it's "fake" isn't really fair when, at the end of the day, a sports team losing or winning isn't anymore important than a wrestling title changing hands.

And if it is, please explain, because I fail to see the difference. At the end of the day, it's all entertainment.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:31 PM   #56
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Oh yeah, number 5 : workrate.

And to clear something up, I've watched ROH/DGUSA numerous times. It's not the wrestling that turns me off. I'd actually like to go to an ROH event. It's the fucking fans that turns me off. I went to a TNA event last week and I spent half the time wanting to punch these three smarks who would not stop yelling out retarded shit in an attempt to get themselves over.
Exactly, I've seen an indy promotion here in Fayetteville NC, and they got some of the most retarded fans. All they would do is yell "that's not how you do the (such and such move) or "you're not selling it right" or "you're doing it all wrong!" just to get attention for themselves. Then they parade around like they're the greatest thing in the world. It kills the mood for me, and I feel like it's a waste of time.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:37 PM   #57
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The turnbuckle one? If so, yeah, absolute fucking joke.
Yep, that's the one. Unnecessary and dangerous. I don't try to act like I know it all, but I'll openly speak out on that move. someone is going to get hurt taking that.
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See, this is what I don't get. What does the fact that it's "real" have anything to do with anything? Will your favorite baseball team losing affect your life in any way?

Just because it isn't real doesn't mean it doesn't draw real emotion. I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're not in terms of a lot of the fans. But to dismiss it just because it's "fake" isn't really fair when, at the end of the day, a sports team losing or winning isn't anymore important than a wrestling title changing hands.

And if it is, please explain, because I fail to see the difference. At the end of the day, it's all entertainment.
Honestly, I'm a hardcore sports fan, especially hockey. If your team losing affects your day than you are a loser as well. I get mad during Leafs games all the time, but when the game is done, I go on with my day. It's when people take it WAAAY too seriously as I've noticed a lot of wrestling fans do. Do I talk hockey a lot? Sure. But I don't go around thinking I'm smarter than the GM, and I honestly think the majority of indy fans think they could book a show better than the bookers and it's fucking annoying.
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Yep, that's the one. Unnecessary and dangerous. I don't try to act like I know it all, but I'll openly speak out on that move. someone is going to get hurt taking that.
tbf, if they're a big enough fuckwit to go up for him and let him do it, they borderline deserve it
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Honestly, I'm a hardcore sports fan, especially hockey. If your team losing affects your day than you are a loser as well. I get mad during Leafs games all the time, but when the game is done, I go on with my day. It's when people take it WAAAY too seriously as I've noticed a lot of wrestling fans do. Do I talk hockey a lot? Sure. But I don't go around thinking I'm smarter than the GM, and I honestly think the majority of indy fans think they could book a show better than the bookers and it's fucking annoying.
So do you believe that someone taking wrestling as seriously as you take hockey (which may or may not be "too serious") is more ridiculous than your fandom of hockey?
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:42 PM   #61
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Volare hit it right on the head on why I won't go. I used to attend Border City Wrestling events all the time and the show which is run by Scott D'Amore are awesome, but it got to the point where I didn't want to spend money just to be annoyed the entire show by these fucking douchebag fans.
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So do you believe that someone taking wrestling as seriously as you take hockey (which may or may not be "too serious") is more ridiculous than your fandom of hockey?
Yes, because hockey is real. Getting pissed at a wrestling event and having it ruin your day is no different than going to the circus and being pissed for hours because Dumbo didn't stand on that stupid ball.
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I just like wrestling all parts of it thats all. I could care less about work rate and I do enjoy some of the Chants the ROH fans do like "YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD KICKED IN!!!" Thats a good one but the crowds acting like critics when you say WWE or TNA and they start booing and shit. Yeah that does get a bit annoying.. I don't also like that hardcore Indy fans say that you are not a real wrestling fan if you like so and so.... I believe that we are all wrestling fans no matter what we watch.

Noone goes around saying that in sports that you are not a real fan if you enjoy a certain team.


The main thing I like about the indy wrestling is the wrestling.
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So do you believe that someone taking wrestling as seriously as you take hockey (which may or may not be "too serious") is more ridiculous than your fandom of hockey?
Yes. Getting legit angry at a work is more retarded than getting legit angry when your sports team plays shit.
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Yes. Getting legit angry at a work is more retarded than getting legit angry when your sports team plays shit.
Gertner plays Hockey for a living?
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Volare hit it right on the head on why I won't go. I used to attend Border City Wrestling events all the time and the show which is run by Scott D'Amore are awesome, but it got to the point where I didn't want to spend money just to be annoyed the entire show by these fucking douchebag fans.
You should start coming to shows again then, because BCW (now Max Pro) ain't much of a smark promotion anymore.
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Old 09-20-2010, 07:35 AM   #71
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If that's the case than I may do that.
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We were never really much of a smark promotion, tbh. I mean yeah, smarks come to indy shows by default, but I don't think BCW catered to them. We never booked "smark guys". Our headliners were almost always nostalgia acts.
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