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Old 10-18-2010, 11:14 PM   #41
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Because the 11 above him are better on the mic. That doesn't mean Jake wasn't excellent on the mic I just think those above him were better.

For example Vince McMahon who is right above him on my list I think was better because Vince was able to pull off varying types of promos. Vince was able to act like the cocky guy, the agressive guy, the coward, the goof ball, the sympathetic character. Vince had various degrees of promos he could pull off. Jake always has the same type of promo, the quietly intense promo that make you believe he was serious. He was the very best at that type of promo though and he was so eloquent which is why I had him ranked so highly, but I think Vince McMahon's versatility puts him above Jake Roberts.
That's a fair assumption. The consistent intensity about Roberts is what I loved about him and why I rank him as high as I do. But I respect that you atleast have a founded opinion.
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:15 PM   #42
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:20 PM   #43
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Cena should not be that high, he hasnt been to great of a talker in the past 4-5 years. If Hassan did not leave so soon I'd argue that he should be up there.
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Old 10-19-2010, 12:37 AM   #44
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i dont normally post on here but that list just made me sick....Jake roberts and Rick rude should both be in the top ten of any talkers list. if not top five... im sorry but those two are some or not the best of all time...
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Old 10-19-2010, 07:04 AM   #45
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Aside from maybe a couple of obvious omissions (HBK) I find this list pretty accurate.

Absolutely Austin at #1, the guy held 20,000+ people in the palm of his hand from 1998 until he retired. Just molded the audience in the way he wanted to, without ever sounding scripted, or forced. Just commanded the attention
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Old 10-19-2010, 07:12 AM   #46
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Aside from maybe a couple of obvious omissions (HBK) I find this list pretty accurate.

Absolutely Austin at #1, the guy held 20,000+ people in the palm of his hand from 1998 until he retired. Just molded the audience in the way he wanted to, without ever sounding scripted, or forced. Just commanded the attention of the crowd. Vince called him the greatest superstar of all time, so that would be your other reason for him being number one on this list.

As for Savage, yes, there are some who are ranked higher that should not be, but all in all Savage isn't top 3 because IMO, Austin, Hogan, Rock, and a few others rank higher than him. He's great, I'm not taking anything away from him
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Old 10-19-2010, 07:14 AM   #47
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Whoops didn't realize that doubled up. Feel free to delete my first post it was accidenttttttt
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Old 10-19-2010, 07:58 AM   #48
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well yeah most of the list is stupid

but im pretty happy with Austin #1.

yet to see anyone who outtalked austin in 96 and 97.
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Old 10-19-2010, 08:23 AM   #49
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That's the thing with these lists... they're all opinion.

What's worse, people too often think that if their guy is only number 8 on a top 25 list, it's a slight... when making the list itself is huge, because it means you are one of 25 guys out of thousands. The list certainly doesn't mean you're bad at what you do.

And what makes one guy a better talker for one fan may completely turn off someone else.

Case in point, I hate the Rock's mic work. As soon as he hit that point in his career where it was the same half dozen catchphrases, 4 of which came in the same order each and every time, I couldn't stand listening to him.

Someone else put people over Roberts, because as great as Roberts was he lacked diversity. Seems fair to me.

Ultimately, opinions are like assholes... everyone has one, and everyone else thinks yours stinks.

I can agree with Austin being #1. I'd put Jericho in at #2 or maybe #3 at the lowest, again due in large part to his range. From Monday Night Jericho to the conspiracy victim, from interrupting the Rock to Vance McMahon, from begging Bischoff for his job to the feud with HBK... his mic work is consistently golden.
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Old 10-19-2010, 08:34 AM   #50
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meh:

you can't say one personality is better than the other. This is a matter of personal taste

lets talk th best in the different styles of promo:

1. Most entertaining / fun : The Rock. He made me laugh.
Runners up : Goldust, Santinno, Christian


2. Most intense : Austin
Runner up : Vince during their feud. This stuff was gold.


3. Most real : Bret Hart (before you start typing your stereotypical comment please watch RAW from 1997, and some of his wcw stuff (like when he wore the steel plate)


4. Most insane : Ric Flair. He used to pull his pants down, run the ropes and drop elbows on his jacket.
Runner up : The iron sheik

5. Nonsensical : Ultimate warrior. What ws this guy smoking?
Runner up : Iron Sheik


6. Cocky : Shawn Michaels
Runner up: Jericho, Christian, Bischoff


7. Classic WWF promo: Huk Hogan

8. Spazz out : Jim Cornette
runners up: no one can compare to Cornette
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Old 10-19-2010, 08:49 AM   #51
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Old 10-19-2010, 10:40 AM   #52
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lol at The Miz and Sheamus being on the list.
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Old 10-19-2010, 10:53 AM   #53
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Looks like wwe is talking out of their ass again. (pun intended)
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Old 10-19-2010, 11:25 AM   #54
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25. Sheamus
24. Rick Rude
23. Santino Marella
22. The Million Dollar Man
21. The Miz
20. Jesse Ventura
19. Triple H
18. Paul Heyman
17. Edge
16. Mr. McMahon
15. Superstar Billy Graham
14. Mick Foley
13. Hulk Hogan
12. CM Punk
11. Randy Savage
10. JBL
9. Bobby Heenan
8. Dusty Rhodes
7. John Cena
6. Jake Roberts
5. Chris Jericho
4. Ric Flair
3. The Rock
2. Roddy Piper
1. Steve Austin


I posted the list so I can look at it while I type.

Good enough list. Some of the newer guys do not belong near the top 25.

Dusty Rhodes is top 3 easy. He can be argued as #1 in my book any day

Michael Hayes not even showing up is absolutely ridiculous

Nick Bockwinkel is another one they've completely missed. that guy was money.

Savage is where he needs to be. Maybe @ 15.

Anderson and Blanchard certainly belong on this list.

and then you could make a case for Sting, Funk, Angle and yes, Sid Vicious
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Old 10-19-2010, 11:38 AM   #55
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Rock didn't come in at #1? Shocking.
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Old 10-19-2010, 11:52 AM   #56
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Old 10-19-2010, 02:31 PM   #57
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the miz is on it,he hasnt had time to talk that damn much.
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Old 10-19-2010, 02:44 PM   #58
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Warrior should be #1!!
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Old 10-19-2010, 03:42 PM   #59
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This list is ass. Shane Douglas and Raven isn't in the list, they are one of the best dang it.
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:40 PM   #60
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Disagree. Neither Austin nor Warrior should be #1. The Rock should have easily taken the #1 spot, hands down.
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:42 PM   #61
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Christian not making the list upsets me
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I'm outraged Just Joe didn't make the list. I shall not be taking wwe.com's highly scientific opinions seriously ever again.
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Totally outshining both The Rock and Austin in only mere seconds.
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Disagree. Neither Austin nor Warrior should be #1. The Rock should have easily taken the #1 spot, hands down.
Lol. I was kidding. To be considered best talker, one would have to be able to understand what the hell they are saying.
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Old 10-19-2010, 11:45 PM   #66
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lol Show Off.

Randy Savage, Jake Roberts, Bobby Heenan, Steve Austin, and Ric Flair are my top 5.

They are all too good though, to rate one above the other.
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Old 10-20-2010, 01:07 AM   #68
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Surprised at no Mr Perfect on the list even if he would have been ranked low in the Top 25.

Shocked at no Undertaker since he still manages to get people interested in his "supernatural" feuds and promos along with Paul Bearer.

Hogan is too low if Cena is worth a #7 since Cena is basically a 2000s version of Hogan and while Hogan might have been bad backstage, he got the crowd to hate (ex. NwO) or love (ex. Hulkamania) him due to his promos.
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Thinking about it more, with so many good options out there, Rock shouldn't have even cracked the top 10.
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Old 10-20-2010, 09:30 AM   #71
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Mr. McMahon needs to be #1. He's never cut a promo in which the crowd didn't react exactly the way he wanted them to.
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Old 10-20-2010, 01:27 PM   #72
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"What about ME? What about RAVEN!?"


(Thoroughly surprised/disappointed no one dropped that joke yet.)
Beat me to it Although he should definately be on it.
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Old 10-20-2010, 03:13 PM   #73
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Honestly, this list is void without the inclusion of Shawn Michaels.
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Old 10-20-2010, 05:23 PM   #74
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Piper is the all time greatest, but Brian Pillman is better than almost everyone else.
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Old 10-21-2010, 05:48 AM   #75
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No Particular Order.

1. Roddy Piper
2. Mick Foley
3. Steve Austin
4. Rock
5. Bobby Heenan
6. Jake "The Snake" Roberts
7. Raven
8. Rick Rude
9. HBK
10. Dusty Rhodes
11. Chris Jericho
12. Michael Hayes
13. Ted DiBiase (Sr.)
14. Randy Savage
15. Arn Anderson
16. Ric Flair
17. Jim Cornette
18. Mr. Perfect
19. Hulk Hogan
20. Kevin Sullivan
21. Undertaker
22. Jessie Ventura
23. Eddie Guerrero
24. Kurt Angle
25. Brian Pillman

Honorable Mention: Andy Kaufman (he doesn't really count as a wrestler.)
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Old 10-22-2010, 11:57 AM   #76
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Troelar does not have that much rep yet (10+)
Of course the list is gonna be completely different for different people, there's no discernible criteria for making it. Are we talking great as in getting crowd response? Doing different styles to great degree? Pronunciation? One thing to remember of course is that it doesn't not enter in to it - at all - what their in ring work is like. Nothing of it is objective (unless you had a way to tell how big an amount of decibels was generated per promo per audience member or some shit like that, which you don't)

Either way lists suck. Unless you're allowed to make shared places so for instance say that #1 = Jericho, Austin, Piper, Savage, Vince, Dusty, etc. etc. - which defeats the purpose of making a list, instead of just naming them

We all know the greatest talker in the history of the WWE is Elvira anyway!
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Old 10-22-2010, 12:02 PM   #77
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Old 10-22-2010, 12:44 PM   #78
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That list is bullshit here is the real deal....

1. Ric Flair
2. Dusty Rhodes
3. Vince McMahon
4. Stone Cold
5. The Rock
6. Roddy Piper
7. Mic Foley
8. Chris Jericho
9. Shawn Michaels
10. Bobby Heenan
11. Paul Heyman
12. Jim Cornette
13. Jake Roberts
14. Ted Diabiase
15. JBL
16. CM Punk
17. Mr. Perfect
18. Bret Hart
19. Edge
20. The Undertaker
21. Owen Hart
22. Pillman
23. Nash
24. Hall
25. Tazz
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Old 10-22-2010, 12:47 PM   #79
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And I left out Raven, Angle, Eddie and Arn
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Old 10-22-2010, 05:46 PM   #80
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This list deserves no respect whatsoever, I mean, how can you leave out "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels? Bret "Hitman" Hart. The Undertaker.

And then, they turn around and put Santino on the list.
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