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Old 10-23-2010, 01:49 PM   #41
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Did Kevin Nash draw?
i think he did for wcw but not for wwe, when we still see nwo shirts 10 years after there last wcw run that was a draw.
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Old 10-23-2010, 01:50 PM   #42
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The nWo might have been a draw but there's no way Nash can claim that as him drawing.
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Old 10-23-2010, 02:00 PM   #43
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i don't know the outsiders were a draw an you can't give it all to last call hall.
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Old 10-23-2010, 02:05 PM   #44
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Jericho because Nash should fucking die.

I hate Kevin Nash.
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Old 10-23-2010, 05:50 PM   #45
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Also, Jericho. Not just on this but on any subject.
I'd take Nash's advice for rehabbing a muscle tear over Jericho's.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:24 PM   #46
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Kevin Nash is good at drawing graphs.

I do see what Nash means, to some degree. But there needs to be that creation of new stars while you have current stars with heat to transfer. If you let The Undertaker retire without really putting anyone over, then what a waste, you know? But then again, a lot of guys who get pushed too early don't end up staying there, and that can damage their long-term credibility.

Right now, Sheamus, Wade Barrett and even Jack Swagger (to some extent) feel like they belong in the main event scene. To be honest, I could see Kaval ending up there very soon, too. The WWE has done a good job with them. Barrett has gotten some clean wins over current WWE main events, Sheamus essentially "retired" Triple H and Swagger's Ankle Lock gets him some nice victories from time-to-time.

But guys like Rey Mysterio need to start thinking about putting over guys like Kofi Kingston, who have many years left to offer the business. That doesn't mean some of the older guys can't have some time at the top, either (Kane is currently World Heavyweight Champion, and it doesn't seem strange), but I've got to agree with Jericho.

John Cena is doing a really great job at balancing being a current star himself, and grooming the next generation. He's played ball, and he's allowed the Nexus guys to really shine in their feud with him. He's taken numerous falls to Justin Gabriel, put over Wade Barrett and this is truthfully the most interested I've been in Cena for ages. He'll no doubt win this feud, but given that Cena has got years left ahead of him, too - I think that's the right booking call.
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Old 10-23-2010, 09:40 PM   #47
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I say both men have very accurate views on the youth movement. It's more of a double-edged sword, where it can be both positive and negative. And it's difficult to find a middle ground or a compromise that both sides can work together on.
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Old 10-24-2010, 12:27 AM   #49
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There is no right or wrong in this situation. I mean Nash has a point and so does Jericho. It's just a matter of what you believe in more. Do you want more veterens on your tv screen bringing in the money or do you want some young people who don't draw money right away but might in the future.

I mean you can get money now, or get lots of money in future, it's up to you?

For me, I agree with Jericho especially when it comes to the WWE. I mean they have the money to spend where they can develop that talent and not lose out right away, but TNA or any other organization might not be the same.
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Old 10-24-2010, 12:29 AM   #50
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The nWo might have been a draw but there's no way Nash can claim that as him drawing.
There was 28,000 people in the Garden the night Nash won the title from Bob Backlund,
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Old 10-24-2010, 12:30 AM   #51
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If they were there while Bob Backlund was champion in the 90s, they probably would have been there no matter what.
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Old 10-24-2010, 01:21 AM   #52
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Diesel's first run in WWF lasted 2 and a half years. In that time he won the IC belt, tag belts, and held the WWF Heavyweight title for almost an entire year and main evented Wrestlemania. I'd say he was pretty over and a big draw for them during that time.
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Old 10-24-2010, 01:30 AM   #53
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Nash was very over in the WWF at that time, there's no denying that. The fans started opening up to him when he started to have problems with HBK while he was his bodyguard, and then (like Ric Flair says) "The Machine" got behind him and pushed him to the top. But before then, he already had been Tag Team Champ, IC Champ, so they had been "testing the waters", so to speak, to see how fans responded to him.

So for him to not be open to new guys getting their chance, when he himself was a new guy that got a break by beating a legend for the belt (in a manner in which the legend came out looking horrible, by losing in like 8 seconds), is hypocritical.
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Old 10-24-2010, 01:31 AM   #54
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Diesel's first run in WWF lasted 2 and a half years. In that time he won the IC belt, tag belts, and held the WWF Heavyweight title for almost an entire year and main evented Wrestlemania. I'd say he was pretty over and a big draw for them during that time.
Isn't Kevin Nash statistically one of the worst drawing WWE Champions of all-time? To no fault of Nash, the WWE was down at the time, I believe -- and Nash was a huge part of the Attitude era boom, but I don't think Diesel was technically a huge draw when it came to gates, PPV buys, merchandising etc.
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:39 AM   #56
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Right now, Sheamus, Wade Barrett and even Jack Swagger (to some extent) feel like they belong in the main event scene. To be honest, I could see Kaval ending up there very soon, too. The WWE has done a good job with them. Barrett has gotten some clean wins over current WWE main events, Sheamus essentially "retired" Triple H and Swagger's Ankle Lock gets him some nice victories from time-to-time.
Yeah, I haven't once looked at Barrett and thought he was actually shoved down our throats. He seems a natural, and his push is pretty cool.

WWE has made plenty of wrong turns, but they've got a few that feel right. and really, that's how we get our big breakout stars.

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There is no right or wrong in this situation.
The question is "who is more correct?"

think of it like an SAT question.

Anyway, money now and later are not mutually exclusive.
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I think Barrett's push comes off natural because his main adversary, Cena, isn't being buried in order to get him over. Every time Nexus or Wade one upped Cena, he came back with either a witty promo or a win.

Even when he had to join Nexus and be Wade's manservant, it wasn't due to a clean win, and the next night he got to take out Tarver. It's much more compelling than just having one guy come out, clean house, and hit his finisher every Raw or Smackdown in order to get over.
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Both make convincing points about the Youth Movement. I think they should meet up and find a middle ground.
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There was 28,000 people in the Garden the night Nash won the title from Bob Backlund,
Lol, you can't fit 28,000 in the Garden.
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Jericho wins.
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Jericho wins.

He did make Goldberg tap out backstage.
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He did make Goldberg tap out backstage.
Yeah. That was awesome. Greenberg chickened out when Jericho first challenged him.
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Jericho's view is more correct because all Jericho cares about is putting younger talents over and they work hard for their spot as for Kevin Nash, all he cares about is protecting his spot and the other older wrestlers and the young guys have to earn their spot. all i can say is that 90% of the younger talent are miles better than Nash.
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Jericho's view is more correct because all Jericho cares about is putting younger talents over and they work hard for their spot as for Kevin Nash, all he cares about is protecting his spot and the other older wrestlers and the young guys have to earn their spot. all i can say is that 90% of the younger talent are miles better than Nash.
And the other ten percent are dead.

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He did make Goldberg tap out backstage.
True...
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