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Old 10-22-2010, 06:35 PM   #1
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Who is More Correct About the Youth Movement: Jericho or Nash?
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Chris Jericho has taken to his Twitter account to address Kevin Nash’s recent comments on WWE’s “youth movement.” Nash said that he believes that it is a mistake because the younger talent doesn’t know how to draw money. “You’re basically going to wait six, seven years to get any return on it (investing in younger stars), and I don’t think the business can wait that long,” Nash said. Jericho tweeted, “Nashs interview was so short sighted and indicative of the entire “WCW” attitude. The WWEs Youth movement is a mistake? Ask Rock, Goldberg and John Cena if it took them six or seven years before they drew money. Six or seven months maybe…People want to see something new”

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Old 10-22-2010, 06:43 PM   #2
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Jericho, his words have proven it already. If you want an example, take a look at Wade Barrett, Daniel Bryan, and Kaval. Coming in fresh this year and already making a big impact in the WWE. Bryan with the US title and in the Biggest Summerslam match this year. Barrett is headlining his second PPV, and Kaval is getting his rise from the fans from being that guy who doesn't give up (as younger fans can relate to and get behind).
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Old 10-22-2010, 06:48 PM   #3
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Yeah I totally agree with Jericho, new fresh stars are what we need. What happens in 6-7 years time when the 'older' guys retire or go away? You're left with a group of guys with no push and then we're meant to believe they're great?
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Old 10-22-2010, 07:02 PM   #4
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Jericho. I still guess I see where Nash is coming from but he's extraordinarily wrong. He should talk too, since he got his push during a WWF youth movement.
Maybe what he says could be applied to TNA, but certainly not WWE. I disagree with it in general though. Even TNA would have benefited by now if they'd stay the course with any of their pushes.
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Old 10-22-2010, 07:26 PM   #5
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Why are you quoting from the front page anyway?
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Old 10-22-2010, 07:33 PM   #6
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Nash.

You honestly think people would rather have Jack Swagger v Evan Bourne over Kurt Angle v The Rock one more time?
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Old 10-22-2010, 07:39 PM   #7
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Jericho although Nash isn't completely incorrect either. Jericho's idea works the best when a company is coming off a big star period since it needs youth to either survive (ex. WCW) or to set up the next era (ex. WWE).

A good mix of some youth being quickly pushed with another being given a slower development means a wrestling company can take care of both the short term and long term plans.
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I can kind of see where Nash is coming from though. I think one of the reasons why some people might be down on wrestling is because those transitional characters to bridge the gap from one era to another aren't there.

Sure WCW had Nash, Hall, and other guys that appealed to a younger crowd, but I think Hogan, Flair, and Savage were links to the previous era and brought calm in the wake of change and still could perform (unlike the Hogan and Flair of today). WWE doesn't really have that. Guys who would be this generation's Hogan or Flair like Rock, Angle or even Lesnar by this point in his career either are doing other things or are with another company.
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Old 10-22-2010, 07:45 PM   #9
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Nash.

You honestly think people would rather have Jack Swagger v Evan Bourne over Kurt Angle v The Rock one more time?
I believe a company can only survive so long on Angle Vs Rock!

Having younger stars pushed more will not only add more variety, but also make it easier for the company to identify who they want to build up as the next BIG stars.

Jericho is right in my opinion, but you shouldn't of course but younger over older simply to do - it should be a dynamic and evolving process.
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youth doesnt matter if the youngsters dont amount to anything only time will tell i guess
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Old 10-22-2010, 08:21 PM   #11
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Jericho

Nash can't let go of "his spot."
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I think we all agree that Nash is short-sighted, and Jericho is right. The best way for the "legends" to stay relevent is to put the new guys over, so that the business can continue into the future.

Nash wouldn't be where he is today if people hadn't helped him get over, and he wouldn't be wrestling today if those old-timers that got him over wanted to hold onto their "spot".

There is always going to be a group of fans who will want to see the old guys. I still mark out every time Roddy Piper comes back. I would lose my shit if Randy Savage ever got back into the ring. At the same time, these guys cant carry a company for an extended period of time. WCW proved this. Nash knows it too, I bet.
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Jericho although Nash isn't completely incorrect either..
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Nash can't let go of "his spot."
Nash has the mindset of the veteran who can't stand the thought of a young wrestler coming up and getting a shot to be big and perhaps overshadow him. That's why it is said that he booked himself to beat Goldberg for the WCW Title, ending his undefeated streak, as well.

So we shouldn't be suprised that he has that opinion.

Jericho left WCW because, being a young guy, he wasn't given opportunities to become bigger, so he left. WCW was being run by Nash and Hogan and Bischoff, so he knows what he's talkin about, as well, and also understands why Nash is saying what he is.

I agree with Jericho all the way. I love Nash, but he's wrong on this one.
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Old 10-22-2010, 09:12 PM   #15
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Nash is correct in terms of how TNA is handling things..which goes to show why they're heavily relying on older established stars.

Jericho is correct in terms of how WWE is handling things, which goes to show how they're still running pretty strong despite losing some big name veterans over the past year (HHH, HBK, Taker for a time, Jericho)
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WWE is building guys that will be at the top of the business, and will carry the company, for years to come. They're being smart. They know HBK left, Undertaker isn't what he used to be and will not be around much longer, and Triple H isn't either. So they are doing the right thing. And they're not building guys so they can be big in the future, they are building guys and making them stars RIGHT NOW, so that the fans will begin to familiarize with them immediately.
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Jericho, his words have proven it already. If you want an example, take a look at Wade Barrett, Daniel Bryan, and Kaval. Coming in fresh this year and already making a big impact in the WWE. Bryan with the US title and in the Biggest Summerslam match this year. Barrett is headlining his second PPV, and Kaval is getting his rise from the fans from being that guy who doesn't give up (as younger fans can relate to and get behind).
your point with with wade is right but bryan and kaval have been at it 10 years and would be more in line with nash. now if you would have said wade shamus and swager that would be in like with jericho.
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Old 10-22-2010, 09:49 PM   #19
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This is about getting new guys over quickly in WWE, not elsewhere. It's about building the company.
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The Miz,Kofi,Morrison,Swagger and others have been there for years now.It's their time.They jumped the gun incorrectly with Swagger,but correctly with Sheamus.They are throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks.Id have to argue that TNA has been using their older stars to push the younger ones for a while now.Flair has helped like 10 young wrestlers and now Hogan is helping them as well.He helped Abyss,Sting helped Abyss.Nash gave lethal the Black Machismo gimmick,he seconded Joe,and he kind of helped put The MCMG together.I think WWE is pushing the really fresh guys way too soon,and holding back the ones that should be on top.C.M. Punk should main event every ppv,so should Christian,and MVP is long over due for a bigger push.
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Nash has the mindset of the veteran who can't stand the thought of a young wrestler coming up and getting a shot to be big and perhaps overshadow him. That's why it is said that he booked himself to beat Goldberg for the WCW Title, ending his undefeated streak, as well.

So we shouldn't be suprised that he has that opinion.

Jericho left WCW because, being a young guy, he wasn't given opportunities to become bigger, so he left. WCW was being run by Nash and Hogan and Bischoff, so he knows what he's talkin about, as well, and also understands why Nash is saying what he is.

I agree with Jericho all the way. I love Nash, but he's wrong on this one.
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Old 10-23-2010, 12:34 AM   #22
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Nash.

You honestly think people would rather have Jack Swagger v Evan Bourne over Kurt Angle v The Rock one more time?
Except they can't have Angle/Rock anymore, and that's kind of the point.

WWE's not getting rid of its top names, either. But there's a certain level of attrition. Triple H out with injury, Michaels retiring, Batista (and he was drawing, like him or not) being a bitch, etc.

WWE has certainly pushed younger guys, but they're already starting to feel that vacuum. Mysterio, Taker, Trips, etc. are all guys I don't expect to see around that much longer. Could be wrong, but WWE are looking to the future, rather than waiting for every big name to be gone. Or their drawing power diminished.

I really have to agree with Jericho one way or another, here. I'm not particularly sure WWE is normally far sighted, but in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
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Old 10-23-2010, 12:49 AM   #23
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I think they are both right. Some wrestlers have great potential but if rushed can be destroyed completely. Then there is some guys who are ready immdiately like Sheamus, Barrett, Danielson, Punk...
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Nash.

You honestly think people would rather have Jack Swagger v Evan Bourne over Kurt Angle v The Rock one more time?
That would be nothing more than a classic match at Wrestlemania. Once its over though, what then?
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Nash.

You honestly think people would rather have Jack Swagger v Evan Bourne over Kurt Angle v The Rock one more time?
Outside of what's already been said in response, you have to consider the demographic and overall knowledge of today's live audiences.

Most of these kids who populate the audience these days are unlikely to know that Duane Johnson was, at some point, a WWE wrestler. How could also account for how many of these new generation fans know who Kurt Angle is.

The fan base is changing and has gone extremely young. Both The Rock and Kurt Angle are likely irrelevant in the eyes of the current generation of fans.
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Old 10-23-2010, 05:34 AM   #26
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I agree with Jericho BUT I wish they wouldn't just give up on people who are over 34. Some people like Christian and Regal are still fantastic wrestlers, but sadly it's too late for them.

Of course, people like Triple H, Undertaker and Kane are alright though.
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Old 10-23-2010, 05:36 AM   #27
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Outside of what's already been said in response, you have to consider the demographic and overall knowledge of today's live audiences.
I'm pretty sure wwe.com had that 'Truth about WWE' video recently that said something like '74% of our audience are males aged between 18-34' or something like that.
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I'll wait for Mark Jindraks take on the matter.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:02 AM   #29
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Jericho although Nash isn't completely incorrect either. Jericho's idea works the best when a company is coming off a big star period since it needs youth to either survive (ex. WCW) or to set up the next era (ex. WWE).

A good mix of some youth being quickly pushed with another being given a slower development means a wrestling company can take care of both the short term and long term plans.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:03 AM   #30
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Both side have merit. I think you need the old guys to put over the young guys.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:59 AM   #31
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I agree with Jericho BUT I wish they wouldn't just give up on people who are over 34. Some people like Christian and Regal are still fantastic wrestlers, but sadly it's too late for them.
Wait fifteen years.
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Old 10-23-2010, 09:42 AM   #32
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Is that when they're planning Christians first title run?
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Old 10-23-2010, 09:47 AM   #33
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Is that when they're planning Christians first title run?
TNA is...
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Old 10-23-2010, 10:27 AM   #34
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I mostly agree with Jericho.

Nash says the youth doesn't know how to draw...
Well...I think it's good that they are getting pushes and learning while there are still big names.
Better to start them now than to wait until there are no veterans to help them at all.
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Old 10-23-2010, 10:29 AM   #35
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Is that when they're planning Christians first title run?
What are you talking about? He was ECW champ. That's totally a World title!

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Is that when they're planning Christians first title run?
he should have stayed in tna, i heard even after he came back to wwe vince saw him and still thought he was a midcard with nothing to him. i guess gail kim has the same problem.
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Did Kevin Nash draw?
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Old 10-23-2010, 01:37 PM   #38
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Kevin Nash is great at drawing...









































... backstage heat.
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Nash.

You honestly think people would rather have Jack Swagger v Evan Bourne over Kurt Angle v The Rock one more time?
The thing is...YOU CAN'T HAVE ANGLE v ROCK ONE MORE TIME!

Dunno how many times this has to be said but it's a pretty obvious statement to make. Angle has maybe a couple more years in him and Rock isn't interested in wrestling. Full stop.

I know that's one example, but the bigger picture is this: if they DON'T build up young guys as legit contender NOW (as in, mixing it up with the established guys like Jericho, HHH, Taker, etc) then, when those established guys are done you find yourself left with a whole company of midcarders - guys that the audience don't buy as Main Eventers. And the company is screwed.

WWE should be putting the likes of Sheamus, Swagger, Barrett, Bryan, Kaval over their top guys so that they can be top guys in the future. They can't afford to be in a too little, too late situation.
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Also, Jericho. Not just on this but on any subject.
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