Would it be a dick move for Undertaker to keep his streak in tact when he retires?

[Kalyx triaD]

People trying to diminish "The Streak" on the count that it's a written show need to fuck off. And I'm certain one or two are being hypocrites in some fashion in regard to written characters and what happens to them.

And yes, he should retire with the streak intact. Too much risk dropping it some kid who'd just as likely leave to do other things, get injured seriously, get future endeavor'd, whatever.

[ooTin]

Undertaker should retire with his streak intact because no one will ever match it. so whats the point in ruining it?

[James Steele]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon like I said before, it's a fake streak. Is it really an honor to retire with something like this? In a setting where writers control the outcome of a match, I don't see it as some sacred thing that can't be touched. This is professional wrestling where people always talk about big time moments. The streak needs to be broken before he retires. It will be one of the greatest moments in wrestling history when he goes down at Wrestlemania. So yes, it needs to be broken before he goes out

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD People trying to diminish "The Streak" on the count that it's a written show need to fuck off. And I'm certain one or two are being hypocrites in some fashion in regard to written characters and what happens to them. And yes, he should retire with the streak intact. Too much risk dropping it some kid who'd just as likely leave to do other things, get injured seriously, get future endeavor'd, whatever.

Originally Posted by ooTin Undertaker should retire with his streak intact because no one will ever match it. so whats the point in ruining it?

It certainly wouldn't be a dick move if The Streak stays in tact, but it goes against everything in the wrestling business to NOT end the streak and make someone a star for life.

The entire point of wrestling is to build up a superstar to make money and use him to build somebody up to make more money and so on. Why the fuck would you not use the last sacred thing in pro wrestling to put over someone HUGE and make them a megastar for the rest of their career.

It shouldn't be broken by a rookie. I think it should be a guy who has constantly been on the "cusp of greatness". Somebody who is well-established but hasn't been cemented as one of the elite level guys. You build him up on the Road to WrestleMania as doubting himself because he hasn't been able to get it done in the past, but he keeps his head up and keeps working on improving and such. Come WrestleMania, they have a fucking WAR with Undertaker and edges out the Undertaker to win by pinfall.

I think this would be the perfect situation for Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania 28 or 29.

[Jeritron]

People fail to realize that the chances of a career being ruined by snapping of the streak are more likely than one being made.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Originally Posted by Jeritron People fail to realize that the chances of a career being ruined by snapping of the streak are more likely than one being made.

Look at what happened to Shawn Michaels in the months after retiring Ric Flair. One of the most popular wrestlers of all time was getting boo'ed for what he was made to do. It made for some good television though and a pretty good feud with Batista that turned into one of the greatest feuds in recent WWE history with Chris Jericho.

Though Shawn ended up on the short end of the feud with Jericho and was lost in a crap gimmick with JBL until getting free and fighting the Undertaker. If it was anybody else (other than MAYBE Triple H) I don't think they would have survived ending Flair's career.

But that was Shawn Michaels and he is Mr. Wrestlemania. The fans were able to forgive Shawn in time and that Flair gimmick was created only a couple of months before. This Undertaker streak has been going strong since 1991 and I don't know anybody who would be strong enough to survive becoming the most hated piece of shit in WWE history for beating The Undertaker at Wrestlemania. I don't even think Shawn Michaels could have handled that pressure again and multiplied by a million times. If you think X-Pac heat is strong baby you ain't seen nothing yet! Ending Taker streak heat would burn anybody alive. They'd become a social-piranha in the lockeroom and with the fans and sooner or later it would be future endeavored.

People talk about how beating The Undertaker at Wrestlemania would make their career and they don't understand at all. You don't spit in the wind, you don't tug on Superman's cape and you don't fight the Undertaker at Wrestmania. Win or lose: you will rest in peace!

[chrisat928]

He should make it to 20-0, and after that 20th win, he's down doing his pose, the lights go out, the bell tolls, lights come back on, and he's gone. All that's in the ring, right in the middle, is his hat.

Undertaker isn't heard from again until Mark Calloway is inducted into the Hall of Fame. And that shouldn't happen until 3 or 4 years later.

[Nightwing]

He should retire with the streak. People come and go all the time. You dont know who's gonna have a long life in wrestling anymore. Why chance it on someone who isnt in it for the long term.

Ending the the streak isnt a guaranteed rub anways. It could easily backfire.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD People trying to diminish "The Streak" on the count that it's a written show need to fuck off. And I'm certain one or two are being hypocrites in some fashion in regard to written characters and what happens to them.

Hi, that's me doing that.

And how am I am hypocrite? thanks

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon Look at what happened to Shawn Michaels in the months after retiring Ric Flair. One of the most popular wrestlers of all time was getting boo'ed for what he was made to do. It made for some good television though and a pretty good feud with Batista that turned into one of the greatest feuds in recent WWE history with Chris Jericho.

So I don't understand, are you trying to prove HBK beating Flair worked or didn't work for future storylines? Cause you're negating your own argument

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Nightwing He should retire with the streak. People come and go all the time. You dont know who's gonna have a long life in wrestling anymore. Why chance it on someone who isnt in it for the long term. Ending the the streak isnt a guaranteed rub anways. It could easily backfire.

please read James Steele's post. It should not be a rookie or a new guy.

Yes, in this day and age, people do come and go all the time, so you don't chance it there. But I'm all for an established "young guy" to do it. If it were me, it would be Cena just so I can see 500 people here bitch and complain

[Lara Emily]

I know I'm eating a dead Horse but it needs to be Wade Barrett if anyone, he's the only one over enough to benefit and he's the only one with size and looks that make him a legit threat to Undertaker

I mean Daniel Bryan, great wrestler, awesome to watch but can you really buy him going toe to toe with the Undertaker, samething with The Miz really.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon like I said before, it's a fake streak. Is it really an honor to retire with something like this? In a setting where writers control the outcome of a match, I don't see it as some sacred thing that can't be touched. This is professional wrestling where people always talk about big time moments. The streak needs to be broken before he retires. It will be one of the greatest moments in wrestling history when he goes down at Wrestlemania. So yes, it needs to be broken before he goes out

I think you make a really good point with this. My question is how should it be done? Should it be a huge, epic face versus face confrontation like John Cena vs. Undertaker? Or should Taker go on like a 6 month mega heel streak as the WWE Champion in 2011 and then get beat by the freshest underdog babyface in the company at the moment?

[St. Jimmy]

Meanwhile, at WM 27:



HULK HOGAN, HULKAMANIA HAS ENDED... THE STREAK

[Nightwing]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon please read James Steele's post. It should not be a rookie or a new guy. Yes, in this day and age, people do come and go all the time, so you don't chance it there. But I'm all for an established "young guy" to do it. If it were me, it would be Cena just so I can see 500 people here bitch and complain

I got that. It would need to be someone obviously they know is gonna stick around and is going to be a company guy. Like a Miz or Orton, and Randy already had his shot [too bad it wasnt in his current form]. But like you said just throw it to Cena for laughs. Its not like Ripken or DiMaggios streak where it actually means something.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Fox I think you make a really good point with this. My question is how should it be done? Should it be a huge, epic face versus face confrontation like John Cena vs. Undertaker? Or should Taker go on like a 6 month mega heel streak as the WWE Champion in 2011 and then get beat by the freshest underdog babyface in the company at the moment?

yea I would seriously have Cena do it. He's hasn't feuded with Taker since '03 I believe. He's been pushed to the moon and back for the past 6 years. He's a total company guy etc....


How do you do it? You can go a few ways like you said. I personally would like it to be the catalyst for Cena's heel turn. But you could do a full babyface/respect kind of thing (which I'm starting to get tired of) or you could turn Taker heel well before Mania. But , if you did that, you would have to go all Randy Savage at Mania 7 and have him turn back to babyface after the match.

[Fignuts]

It's not worth it, to end the streak just to "make somebody a star".

Anyway, if anyone is going to believably do it, it would be someone who already is, or is garaunteed to be a star, so it's a moot point.

[CSL]

Originally Posted by Lara Emily I know I'm eating a dead Horse

Yummy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I am in the same boat as Loose Cannon, and I even agree on his picks to do it.

The Undertaker's streak wasn't even really mentioned until about WrestleMania X-7 when Jim Ross threw it in as trivia. Back then, The Undertaker used to go over guys because the storylines sort of dictated it. Sometimes in recent years he has even been thrown random opponents for the sake of getting him on the card and giving him another random victory. I mean, did anyone really call Big Show & Nathan Jones or Mark Henry going over Taker?

The streak has been built well and The Undertaker has poured some great matches into it (vs. HBK, vs. HBK again, vs. Edge and even vs. Batista), but what is the point of all that build? At the end of the day, Mark Callaway, the performer, is going to be remembered for making a ridiculous gimmick work, being one of the best big men of all time, surviving through many eras without ever becoming irrelevant, amassing several World Championships and being a loyal WWE guy. He also has the opportunity to create a mega-star. When he loses at WrestleMania, people are going to go nuts. The sky will be falling on the WWE Universe, and Mark Callaway, the performer, gains some humanity for his character.

When the day comes, The Undertaker is going to get up and give a Hall of Fame acceptance speech. He may or may not be in character, but losing at WrestleMania is not going to do that. Hell, losing at WrestleMania doesn't even mean the guy has to retire. 20-1 or whatever he ends up being when he decides to drop it is still better than anyone else in history.

This year, Wade Barrett seems like a likely opponent for Taker. I can't see him ending the streak. I like Barrett, he's got all-round skills, but I think the money is in him being over ambitious and failing to take it (although putting up a fight and having us believe he has it a few times). That alone will solidify Barrett.

WrestleMania XXVIII will be The Undertaker vs. John Cena -- it just makes sense. It's a shame Cena lost at WrestleMania XXIV to Randy Orton in that Triple Threat with Triple H, because it could have been streak vs. streak. But the match will still be huge due to how separate the WWE have kept Cena and Taker, and how they almost represent different eras (and different brands). Cena is such a company man, and so dependable that I can see him doing it. It'd also make Cena a huge name. In kayfabe, Cena could literally make the claim that he is the greatest of all-time. If the fans give him backlash, hell, run with it and finally turn Cena heel. He can finally have that notch that immortalises him beyond the point of caring about the fans anymore.

It combines two things that I really feel could usher in a new "era" to professional wrestling: 1) The Undertaker's streak established a new mega-star, and 2) John Cena turning heel (which will be bigger the longer the WWE waits). If you gave up watching today, and in April next year you heard that The Undertaker lost to Cena, who is now a bad guy -- admit it, you'd start watching out of mere curiosity.

There are a few other guys I could see ending the streak. Here me out:

Jack Swagger
Depending on what the guy does this year at WrestleMania. Truthfully, the man is an all-round talent. He can talk, he can wrestle, he's got size and he's been the World Champion before. The WWE wouldn't give that to him if they didn't have some faith in him. As Chris Jericho said about the guy, we've not seen a fraction of what this guy can do. Give him a few years, which is when I see the streak ending (WrestleMania XXVIX at the earliest), and Swagger has the potential to be 3-0 at WrestleMania. A budding streak of his own wagered against The Phenom's. In a perfect world, Swagger might have even wrestled and defeated Kurt Angle at WrestleMania XXVIII. Okay, now I am getting carried away.

Ultimately, if The Undertaker feels that Swagger is the guy to carry the company forward, it could be him. I truly believe that the chief reason Swagger has not been given more of a consistent push this year has been because the WWE loves to "cool off" on guys to test their loyalty after the whole Brock Lesnar thing.

The Miz
Depending on what Taker thinks of The Miz, I could see him doing it. The man is gold on the mic, and getting better in the ring all the time. He's got his character nailed, and it's a very real character that draws heat, but at the same time has its redeeming qualities. When The Miz says he is going to do something -- he does it. He's not one to fail, and will work so hard to achieve his dreams. Alternatively, it might not even be a one-on-one match. If they really want to set The Miz up as a mega-heel of the next generation, imagine if Taker successfully defends the WWE Championship against John Cena at WrestleMania in 2012 (I'm thinking we might get a random World Heavyweight Title/WWE Title brand swap next year, since the WWE seems to do it every three years). Then Money in the Bank Winner, The Miz, comes out and cashes in his WWE Title shot. Some might get pissy at The Undertaker losing his streak that way, but it certainly protects The Undertaker, and launches The Miz to new levels of being a dick.

CM Punk
See The Miz. Taker and Punk have worked together in the past, and Punk technically holds the only submission victory over Taker. He must be doing something right. Another guy who can both talk and wrestle, and seems to be really dedicated to the WWE (didn't he give the WWE rights to the CM Punk name so he can use it with them?). He's also been given the trust to creatively influence his own direction in storylines and such.

Just three guys, and keep in mind that I don't think we'll be seeing the streak end this year.

[Lara Emily]

If you ends the streak it needs to be totally clean, middle of the ring pin, anything else and it a)cheapens it and b) people will forget about it faster and write it off easier.

That narrows down the field considerably. Since you need someone who benefits from it and is already over and b is convincing enough to beat UT clean

[Evil Vito]

Taker's streak is at the point where there are only a few people I could believably see ending it cleanly. Triple H again, Orton again, or Cena.

I do think Taker losing to Cena is a very real possibility. He doesn't need it, but in kayfabe it would solidify him as the greatest of all time.

Personally I'd be fine with him going 20-0 and retiring, for the same reasons I stated that there's no way I'd be able to suspend my disbelief long enough to think anybody other than the previously mentioned three could win.

Also, it'd HAVE to be a face who wins it. Because in WWE, heels aren't really ever allowed to win cleanly at this point. If say, Barrett were to win, I guarantee it would be because of Nexus - etc.

[Troelar]

Eeh, I will just throw in my comment here a few days "late".

How about some kind of best out of three pins match? Not necessarily to to end the streak, but perhaps as some unofficial retirement match - or just to shake things up.

A somewhat young star sees the Taker as OLD! "Taker, you're 19 and 0 at Wrestlemania. You know what that means to me? - that you're ancient! All it means is that you've had decades to deteriorate. You might be able to defeat me one time, but let's really put you to the test - best out of three, old man!"

And instead of having it be a regular 3 pins in succession match, spread it out over the entire evening. It could both turn out as a watered down event, but if done right it could really blow up! Taker wins the first pin. An hour later the opponent wins a pin - "WOOOOT someone actually pinned the Undertaker at WM. This could actually happen!"

Then depending on which way it's gonna go, have the last pin be the deciding factor. In any event - I think it _might_ be a good match.

It might be bad though, not having the match being a simple onefall match.

[tjmidnight420]

That's not really such a good idea bro. Kinda kills off the whole streak thing regardless.

[Attitude99]

Ya Really Think Vince Is Gonna Let That Happen, To His Most Loyal Guy. Never Just Forget That Thought, Wade or Punk or whoever. It Will Not Happen, Taker deservers that without a doubt. He Helped The Company like nobody else, he helped other great wrestlers. He Only Got 4 WWE Championship Runs. I Always wanted for him like 20-25 title reigns. But He Didn't wanted that either.

[Brigstocke]

I think Taker will at some point in the future find someone he personally likes and see's potential in, 'take under his wing' from a storyline point of view and have them break the streak as a face after Taker turns heel on them.

I'd also fully expect that person to have inserted a 25 year no compete clause in their contract before doing so.

[Ruien]

Keeping the steak means 2 things. 1) T-shirts 2) DvD

[MoFo]

Taker has been toned down from this 'unstoppable force' the last few yrs and works a more realistic style now, selling beatings and such. WWE are putting it out there pretty well, the commentary team have mentioned numerous times during the Kane feud that 'he isnt the same guy anymore' and his injuries may be catching up with him. Could you really see Taker having anything more than a squash match v an Edge or Swagger 10 yrs ago? Yet its made to look competitive now.

So with saying all that, it would make sense to put someone over. I just wonder what kind of send off he'd get (assuming he would retire after it).

[Troelar]

Originally Posted by Brigstocke I'd also fully expect that person to have inserted a 25 year no compete clause in their contract before doing so.

Then all you gotta do is get future endeavoured and hello 25 years of paid ranting about WWE on the internet!