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Old 02-23-2011, 07:00 AM   #41
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please.....Cena is the modern day hogan with the limited moveset... the catchphrases the kids love (you cant see me......)with stupid tee shirts and logos.Like hogan with his eat yer vitamins drink milk and say your prayers (and ake steroids) .At least Hogan made things seem a little believable with a big boot and leg drop .. cena has a fist to head which never seems to actually conect, and attitude adjustment that seems just lame..... But both talk shit, could face the whole locker room and win, probably blind folded and hands behind there back cos kids buy there merchandise....WWe are terrified of turning Cena heel cos they would lose out on the upset kids who would stop buy there shit

On the other hand the Rock was a wrestler (sorry sorts entertainer) who could wrestle , genuinely sell a storyline in the ring or on the mic, AND play the role of a face or a hell who could draw savage heat......The rocks promo two weeks ago was awesome ,for someone to come back into the ring before a telivsed audience and produce a faultless, humourous with out getting too stupid promo

Cenas promo was just plain stuoid in my opinion....he certainly didnt owen rocks ass or anything even close.... it just showed he is a cheap imitation of Dwayne "The Rock " Johnson
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:07 AM   #42
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please.....Cena is the modern day hogan with the limited moveset... the catchphrases the kids love (you cant see me......)with stupid tee shirts and logos.Like hogan with his eat yer vitamins drink milk and say your prayers (and ake steroids) .At least Hogan made things seem a little believable with a big boot and leg drop .. cena has a fist to head which never seems to actually conect, and attitude adjustment that seems just lame..... But both talk shit, could face the whole locker room and win, probably blind folded and hands behind there back cos kids buy there merchandise....WWe are terrified of turning Cena heel cos they would lose out on the upset kids who would stop buy there shit

On the other hand the Rock was a wrestler (sorry sorts entertainer) who could wrestle , genuinely sell a storyline in the ring or on the mic, AND play the role of a face or a hell who could draw savage heat......The rocks promo two weeks ago was awesome ,for someone to come back into the ring before a telivsed audience and produce a faultless, humourous with out getting too stupid promo

Cenas promo was just plain stuoid in my opinion....he certainly didnt owen rocks ass or anything even close.... it just showed he is a cheap imitation of Dwayne "The Rock " Johnson
You do realize that people were saying the same thing about Rock during his heyday right?

People were always moaning about his lack of actual wrestling ability and his 5 moves of doom (and that hideous sharpshooter)and also about how his promo's were dull, to the point where the crowd turned on him at Summerslam when he lost to Brock when he was meant to be a face.

Comparing Cena now to Rock then (like any comparision) isn't fair. As it's a different time and business model for the company that they worked for at that time.

The reason Cena was over first of all was because it was at the tail end of an era that Rocky established and he could be cutting edge, as soon as it got PG, Cena lost anything that made him interesting to the IWC.

If the Rock has come in at the same time, I honestly think he would of been suffering the same about of abuse as Cena did/does
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:20 AM   #43
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very true and fair point....im not a cena hater... just find him intolerable.i would rather watch a promo from Kozlov thatn cena.....plus i know the writers are a big part of his superhero gimmik, he does what he is told. If that was CM Punk pulling that promo last week it would have been awesome
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It was good, but I hope he can show that he can burn somebody up like that without doing a "rap". If, and God willing, they do a back-and-forth on it. Cena will get his ass eaten alive on RAW if he can't do more than a long winded rap with props.
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:10 AM   #46
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i thought cena's was more impressive, but i also don't think it's hard to beat "big bowl of fruity pebbles" and "barney the dinosaur's anus."

as much as i was excited that the rock took a run at cena, the way he did it was pretty weak (and more childish than cena, yet cena seems to get the heat for being too immature).

but that could be the point. start low and build up to wrestlemania.
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:26 AM   #47
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i thought cena held it down, and has been holding it down for a while now. was nice to see him use some more "adult" insults in the promo, but that didn't really make it better for me.
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Meh...not really that big of a burn.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:50 PM   #49
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Bottom line, it was 2 awesome promos by Rock & Cena... We have all been screamin' for a little hint of the attitude era for years and anything less PG... We got it, it was awesome, and hopefully there will be a little more...
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Dunno. Seems like anybody could have "one-upped" The Rock. Not saying Cena didn't do a good job...

But you got plenty of material to work with, what with the terrible movies he has made and his abandonment of WWE for 7 years to make them.
And you don't have plenty of material to cut a promo on Cena!? Like, I dunno, everything The Rock used?

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Fuck you people. The promo was good, it's what everyone has been screaming for him to do for about 4 years now. And now it's too cool to enjoy it because The Rock came back and cut an old school promo.. Yep, wouldn't be TPWW if it was any other way.
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i thought cena's was more impressive, but i also don't think it's hard to beat "big bowl of fruity pebbles" and "barney the dinosaur's anus."

as much as i was excited that the rock took a run at cena, the way he did it was pretty weak (and more childish than cena, yet cena seems to get the heat for being too immature).

but that could be the point. start low and build up to wrestlemania.
Seems everybody here loved that stuff. Personally I thought "Fruity Pebbles" was up there (or down there I guess) with CM Sucks.

But, Rock is Attitude Era so that starts him at a higher level in the eyes of the majority of the IWC.
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:26 PM   #51
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I enjoyed the promo immensely. Ias impressed that WWE let him "cut loose". The Rock's promo benefitted from him being given the green light to use "ass" and be pretty "brutal". I'd have been pretty pissed if I was Cena and wasn't allowed to do the same.

I'm more impressed with Cena's promo than Rocky's because Rock's benefitted from the fact that it was a RETURN promo after 7 years away. People were always gonna buy the shit he was selling. As for Cena, he is there every week and has become boring and the crowd tell him and WWE know it. To go out there, pull a full 180 and delier that promo was a breath of fresh are desperately needed.

Of course, some will say it was "by the numbers" and "exactly the same as his old stuff" like The Rock didn't come out last week and deliver his OLD catchphrases in the SAME promo style he used back in the day.
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I hate that he started rapping again. PG rap, give me a break.

That's all.
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Its one thing to "diss" someone in a rhyme scheme its quite another to lay into someone by just talking which is what Rock did it takes a certain quick wit to have clever put downs in casual speaking format. Not saying rapping is easy, putdowns (or at least Cenas) arent as jarring as they would be if he was simply addressing the crowd.

Second ALL of Cenas material is predictable and lacks any real creativity.
Seriously? I couldn't be laughing any harder right now.

First of all, using a rhyme scheme is much harder. Maybe you're slow witted, but throwing out one liners and otherwise laying into someone just by talking is painfully simple. Jesus, go to a junior high school, everyone there excels at it.

Second, you're accusing Cena of using formulaic promos? Rock is probably one of the worst in those regards. He had 14 catch phrases, and his promos were the most formulaic wrestling promos I can ever remember watching in roughly the past 20 years, week after week. The Rock, simply put, is boring. And yes, he always was. There was virtually no diversity when he spoke. His charismatic delivery is the only thing that saved him.

Now, I understand full well the promos are written and approved, but the problem is this -- you're criticizing one man for his promos being A - B - C when the man you're defending is one of the worst formula-based promo men there is.

You can't honestly tell me Rock's promos weren't painfully predictable before he left 7 years ago.
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Old 02-23-2011, 04:29 PM   #55
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Yup. All those "The Rock Concert" segments were horribly unoriginal.
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We need "The Rock Concert 3"
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The day after Rock came back, I knew that somehow we would see Cena revert back to his Thuganomic schtick, and this past Monday Cena did his best promo in a long time.

As a Rock mark, IMO, I think Cena one upped The Rock. I wish Cena would slowly phase out his Cenation shit and start wearing throwback jerseys again along with that "Ruthless Agression" he had similar to when he was dissing Brock Lesnar with his raps. If given the chance to say whatever he wants, I think Cena could tear Rock a new asshole with his "battle raps". I was impressed. He just needs to lose the stupid purple shirt and hat. I'd mark out if he rocked the chain again.

Cena's promo made Rock look dated. I'm just hoping that Rock turns it up the next time he shows up on RAW to address Cena. He has it in him. His first promo back was just a general "I'm back" promo, he didn't really go into detail with a Cena verbal barrage. We'll have to wait and see.

Also, huge dissapointment that The Rock wasn't on RAW this past Monday. Pretty sure the Fresno crowd was dissappointed that he didn't show. I hope we get to see Rock every week, it'll be gay if the next time we see him was at WrestleMania. I think the reason why he wasn't there was because they needed to focus that RAW solely on the whole Triple H/Undertaker build.
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I hate that he started rapping again. PG rap, give me a break.

That's all.
I still think his PG raps are better than his usual generic promos (ie. you want some, come get some etc etc)
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They need to start slagging each other off on talk shows, Shamrock/Ortiz stylee.
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These comments John Cena made are what he actually thinks about what the Rock did. It isn't the writers. Here is a report from 2009 where John Cena makes the same comments that he mentioned several years back when The Rock was not even close to have been returning at all.

What's your problem Hasney anyways? You've turned into a first-class asshole to me in the past month. We were cool when we were in the Xero chat room dude, what's up with this crap now?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-the-rockagain 2009 Article

2008 full transcript: http://www.wrestling101.com/101/newsitem/5263/
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WOW. There are a lot of idiotic messages in this thread. The truth is plain and simple, The Rock is familiar yet fresh and a very big deal. John Cena is super familiar, very over, and a very big deal. However John Cena is in practice and The Rock is out of practice. Cena's skills are sharper than The Rocks, that could change and it might not who knows. So yeah, if you wanna call it, Cena is 1-0 on the shit stick.
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Yup. All those "The Rock Concert" segments were horribly unoriginal.
An occasional breath of fresh air doesn't make someone a creative genius. Especially when -- with minimal exception -- they use the same promo with a few cosmetic changes every week.

"Finally... *insert city name*
You know, *wrestler's name*
Light foul language, possible homosexual implication, more swearing, a few other lesser catchphrases, plug upcoming PPV/show
Take *object* shine/turn/insert
If ya smell"

98% of Rock's promos for years. Real original. The man is brilliant.
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I actually agree with with James Steele said. He hit the nail right on the head.

He wasn't better then Rock was in his promo, but he was very good. I think The Rock would eat him alive face to face.
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People actually believe that Cena "owned" The Rock with his scripted throwback to opinions from an old whiny interview?
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You actually believe The Rocks promo wasn't scripted?
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Old 02-24-2011, 05:24 AM   #66
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The Rock owned Cena just from this line in his promo.

"the WWE went from the powerful Austin 3:16 to the dominant and iconic If Ya smell what the Rock is cookin, alllll the way to You can't shee me"

Rock owned Cena because it's 100% true that Cena is not and never will be in Austin and the Rock's league and that the WWE has clearly taken a step down going from Austin&Rock to John Cena. And you can't even blame the PG era because other top stars past and present have made it work such as HBK for example. Cena has been pushed to the moon for the past 7 or 8 years and has main evented so many PPV's and yet I can't recall 1 memorable feud or match that he has had. Has he ever stolen the show? And when I say memorable I mean something that will be remembered 15 years from now. The only reason he has a big fanbase is because kids don't know any better and when you act like barney ofcourse they will love ya.
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Old 02-24-2011, 07:00 AM   #67
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Old 02-24-2011, 07:10 AM   #68
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I would have enjoyed it a lot more if he had not yapped so much before delivering the rap.
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Old 02-24-2011, 05:21 PM   #69
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is PG era gone?
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It would've been good if he didn't rap. Nothing worse than a white boy trying to rap, unless you're Sage Francis.
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Old 02-24-2011, 05:58 PM   #71
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Cena did pretty much kill everything rock said against him and then some, those who say otherwise are lying.
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...The idea of having The Rock "own" Cena without John coming out, and then having Cena "own" Rock without HIM coming out, is all about building up steam and interest for a confrontation (verbal) between the two in the upcoming weeks...

...it's how you build interest in a story, something that we haven't seen too much of in WWE in past years, but still, it works.
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Old 02-24-2011, 06:30 PM   #73
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I think people take things too literal around here. Pretty sure the idea of the thread was Cena actually pulled a good "Vintage" promo in reply to The Rock's "Vintage" promo on him, and nobody had anything to say about it.
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Old 02-25-2011, 02:02 AM   #74
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Cena did good.

He didn't kill Rock, just like Rock didn't kill Cena.
For that to happen you'd need an actual face-off.

It's not really _that_ hard to stand uninterrupted and insult someone - especially (goes for both peeps) when it's scripted.
It becomes slightly harder to do when you're facing off. And unless the promo specifically makes one person kill the other, then it's down to delivery and charisma to decide who kills who...
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Cena did good.

He didn't kill Rock, just like Rock didn't kill Cena.
For that to happen you'd need an actual face-off.

It's not really _that_ hard to stand uninterrupted and insult someone - especially (goes for both peeps) when it's scripted.
It becomes slightly harder to do when you're facing off. And unless the promo specifically makes one person kill the other, then it's down to delivery and charisma to decide who kills who...
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:51 PM   #76
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@ 6:00 if you do not want to wait.



Seriously, this deserves it's own thread, not just a mention, not a Cena mark, but so far The Rock vs John Cena, and Cena is up one after this reply, classic and great come back.
Nice.

But not PG.
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Cena did good.

He didn't kill Rock, just like Rock didn't kill Cena.
For that to happen you'd need an actual face-off.

It's not really _that_ hard to stand uninterrupted and insult someone - especially (goes for both peeps) when it's scripted.
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I think people take things too literal around here. Pretty sure the idea of the thread was Cena actually pulled a good "Vintage" promo in reply to The Rock's "Vintage" promo on him, and nobody had anything to say about it.
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Cena has always come off (to me anyway) as a bit of a copy of The Rock. The dodgy signature moves (Peoples elbow vs "u cant see me thing"), The "Full Moon Push", being the company guy, etc etc.

So when Rock comes back its hard for JC to defend his niche. And I would put the sudden "Thuganomics" revival down to this.

I wouldnt say either promo "owned" the other guy tbh.

Cena is a guy copying what The Rock did, The Rock *is* The Rock.

And this whole thing better lead to some kind of match between the two, all this better not *just* lead up to a promo at 'mania.

What I want to see is Rock kick Cena's ass all the way back to the mid card, however if they do have a match it will only be the inevitable "passing of the torch".
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I just watched Cena's reply for the first time and I think it's weak.

I always hated his raps, even his voice gets on my nerves when he's "spittin' rhymes". I'm no devoted Cena hater, but he should really leave rapping behind.
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Cena has always come off (to me anyway) as a bit of a copy of The Rock. The dodgy signature moves (Peoples elbow vs "u cant see me thing"), The "Full Moon Push", being the company guy, etc etc.

So when Rock comes back its hard for JC to defend his niche. And I would put the sudden "Thuganomics" revival down to this.

I wouldnt say either promo "owned" the other guy tbh.

Cena is a guy copying what The Rock did, The Rock *is* The Rock.

And this whole thing better lead to some kind of match between the two, all this better not *just* lead up to a promo at 'mania.

What I want to see is Rock kick Cena's ass all the way back to the mid card, however if they do have a match it will only be the inevitable "passing of the torch".
If you forced that comparison any harder, you could be charged with rape.

Cena's his own guy. The comparison between the Rock and Cena ends with the silly finishers, and even that's not remotely unique. Cena's "full moon" push was forced, and the Rock's wasn't a "full moon" push. Both talk smack, a trait shared by about 96 other main event or near main event wrestlers in the last 20 years (WWF/E alone). Cena's not really any closer to the Rock than to HHH, Austin, Michaels, etc. Hell, Edge and Orton might as well be compared to the Rock by those broad strokes.

The return of "Thuganomics" was almost certainly due to the WWE's tendency to "pull out all the stops" on the Road to Wrestlemania, rather than any feelings of inadequacy or lack of identity.
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