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Old 03-20-2011, 12:45 AM   #41
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wow lot of booing for Rashad Evans lol
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Old 03-20-2011, 12:46 AM   #42
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I want to see Anderson Silva vs Jon Jones. Battle of the long limbs.
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Old 03-20-2011, 01:35 AM   #44
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Old 03-20-2011, 01:40 AM   #45
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Bones Jones is amazing. I have seen everyone one of his fights and have never seen anyone land a good shot or having him in a bad spot. Calm. Cool. Collective. Dominate. Evans is a great fighter, but he better understand he is a clear under dog.
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What a one sided relentless beating.

Did Shogun tap as the ref called it? Totally looked like it.
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Old 03-20-2011, 02:24 AM   #47
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Rashad will get smoked
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What a one sided relentless beating.

Did Shogun tap as the ref called it? Totally looked like it.
OH MY FUCKING GOD HE DID TAP!! I was so surprised after hearing the loud, viscious smack that started the final barrage that I almost missed the tap. And if anyone has the answer for Jon Jone's riddle Its my boy Suga! If he can't do it, NO ONE CAN
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Old 03-20-2011, 07:52 AM   #49
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I think Machida was a big winner last night. A couple of impressive wins and he could find himself with a title shot, now that Shogun is off the throne.
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I'm not ready to ride the Jones train just yet.

Shogun only had six weeks to prepare for this guy. His camp was training for Rashsad and he had to reverse course fast. I give him credit for even taking the fight on such short notice.

The other thing is, this light heavyweight division seems to catch up to its champ alarmingly fast. When Rampage won, it was a new era. Then Forrest won. Then Evans won and it was another new era. Then Machida beats him down and it was "the era of the dragon."

Machida gets VERY lucky to beat Shogan, then gets beaten down in their rematch. Then it was a new era in the UFC for Shogun. NOW, Jones beats down Shogun and yet again, we hear the words "another new era for the division."

Jones is an INCREDIBLE athlete, but I don't think the guy is invincible. Evans is going to have a chance because of how much he knows Jones, and the fact Evans is a ground and pounder as well as an accomplished wrestler.

I also think Machida's style of stand up fighting would make for a better match with Jones as well. Rampage is such a monster and intimidating force, he might just bumrush Jones and try to neutralize the reach. Shogun, with seven-eight months of prep could take some lessons as well (just remember how much better he did against Machida).

I think ANY of those guys could give Jones a run for his money. However, I don't think the likes of Forrest Grffin, Rich Franklin, etc. could.
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Old 03-20-2011, 11:19 AM   #51
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I hate the HE ONLY HAD SIX WEEKS TO PREPARE

YEah, So did Jones. How does that make any sense. And Jones fought MUCH more recently.
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If you would read the news, you'd realize Jon Jones was helping Evans train for the Shogun fight. In fact in sparring sessions, Jones was tasked with mimicking Shogun. So he knew A LOT more about him, than Shogun knew about Jones, who is an enigma for those that get 15-20 weeks to study, not six.
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Did you even watch the fight though? It didn't seem as though he had to figure him out much at all. He just walked through him. Jones didn't alter his typical strategy much at all, to be honest. I originally thought that he'd be alot more tentative about doing his flashy strikes and such until he opened the fight with a flying knee.

Of course all the Sherdog fanboys started making excuses seconds after the fight but I'm fairly certain that he just lost. That's it.
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The only guy who has a chance to hang with Jones is Phil Davis. Jones is the first guy who is a true MMA fighter, in 5 years everyone will be at that level.
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Did you even watch the fight though? It didn't seem as though he had to figure him out much at all. He just walked through him. Jones didn't alter his typical strategy much at all, to be honest. I originally thought that he'd be alot more tentative about doing his flashy strikes and such until he opened the fight with a flying knee.

Of course all the Sherdog fanboys started making excuses seconds after the fight but I'm fairly certain that he just lost. That's it.
There are no exuses, Shogun looked not to be in the best possible shape, and had terrile footwork. There was no side to side, it was all forward or backwards. You can't stand in front of someone with Jones reach and speed, doesn't matter if you're the better striker, he's going to beat you to the punch everytime, and he did. Footwork in MMA is very rudamentary, and Shoguns was awful. It's so bad that when someone flashy like Evans comes along and starts dancing people mistake it for footwork.

Also, Shogun was tired after round one, but hung in there, and took a bad beating in the third, I can't say I blame him for tapping, knowing his chin can probably take anything Jones had to give, but his body no longer could.
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I also HATE the Muai Thai stance, with the hands aparts, instead of together at the collar bone, made it way to easy for Jones to shoot straight shots in there.
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The only guy who has a chance to hang with Jones is Phil Davis. Jones is the first guy who is a true MMA fighter, in 5 years everyone will be at that level.
I'd say GSP and Anderson Silva are true MMA fighters. In 5 years everyone won't be at that level. Jones has a combination of athleticism and intelligence that few people can match. The fact is, not everyone can be a Michael Jordan, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, GSP elite level athlete.

Phil Davis is way too raw at this point to have a chance against Jones. He won't be able to handle Jones' striking.
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I'd say GSP and Anderson Silva are true MMA fighters. In 5 years everyone won't be at that level. Jones has a combination of athleticism and intelligence that few people can match. The fact is, not everyone can be a Michael Jordan, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, GSP elite level athlete.

Phil Davis is way too raw at this point to have a chance against Jones. He won't be able to handle Jones' striking.
GSP is an incredible wrestler but his striking isn't at that level, Anderson has awesome striking but his wrestling ain't at that level. With Jones you have the first true MMA fighter in that all the tools are more or less at the same level, In 5 years guys will be at that level cus the days of being a kickboxer/boxer/wrestler/mua thai/bjj/judo athlete will be over or at the very least not at the level of MMA
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Jones striking is not at the level of his wrestling. Jones relies on reach, and speed, and athletism. Staphan Bonnar outlanded him in there fight. Jones has freakish athletism, which allows him to out struck someone like Shogun, who likely had the better technique and skill in that department.
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I think one of the reasons Rua was so worn down by the second was because Jones hit those nasty elbows to the body from Rua's guard. I've never seen someone blast elbows to the body quite like that from that position either
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GSP is an incredible wrestler but his striking isn't at that level, Anderson has awesome striking but his wrestling ain't at that level. With Jones you have the first true MMA fighter in that all the tools are more or less at the same level, In 5 years guys will be at that level cus the days of being a kickboxer/boxer/wrestler/mua thai/bjj/judo athlete will be over or at the very least not at the level of MMA
Not everyone will be at that level. The standouts stand out for a reason. They are head and shoulders above their peers in terms of skill, fight intelligence and athleticism. The general skill level will go up, but not everyone is created equal from a mental or physical standpoint.
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It looked like the reach of Jones threw Shogun off completely, his best chance was on the feet and he didn't look comfortable at all.
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I think one of the reasons Rua was so worn down by the second was because Jones hit those nasty elbows to the body from Rua's guard. I've never seen someone blast elbows to the body quite like that from that position either
I don't think he worked the body until the second round. Most of the time on the ground in the first round was spent with Rua trying to sweep Jones.
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I think one of the reasons Rua was so worn down by the second was because Jones hit those nasty elbows to the body from Rua's guard. I've never seen someone blast elbows to the body quite like that from that position either
That and shoving his forearm into Shogun's throat for most of the time on the ground.
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Shogun looked out of shape and worn down and his "foot work so bad" in the first round because of the knee to the head when he was trying to get up. He was essentially out on his feet and you could see he had a lot of trouble moving.
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Jones striking is not at the level of his wrestling. Jones relies on reach, and speed, and athletism. Staphan Bonnar outlanded him in there fight. Jones has freakish athletism, which allows him to out struck someone like Shogun, who likely had the better technique and skill in that department.
Bonnar fought him 2 and a half years ago when jones wasnt with jackson's camp and he didnt have the experience he has now. So that is why bonnar hung with him for all three rounds.
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Old 03-20-2011, 03:26 PM   #69
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I realize he got hurt from that knee, but I got the impression of him being tired inbetween rounds when he was breathing very heavily, and just looked tired. I was wondering if it was the that he was hurt or tired during the first, and obviously he was hurt, but he seemed fatigued also.
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Bonnar fought him 2 and a half years ago when jones wasnt with jackson's camp and he didnt have the experience he has now. So that is why bonnar hung with him for all three rounds.
Not disagreeing with you, I was making the point that striking isn't were he's strongest, and that it's his wrestling and athletism that make him such an elite fighter at this point.
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when you get hurt like that you get fatigued.... your arms and legs aren't the only thing affected when you get knocked around. Your breathing and pretty much all your body functions fuck up as well... you know, everything your brain controls
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I'm not disputing he was rocked, he cleary was, and we've seen him eat big shots in the past and recover, which he seemed to do once the round ended. I guess Shogun just didn't appear to be in the best of shape, though apperances aren't everything. But I did get the impression he was tired inbetween the rounds.
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Oh and Rashad kicked Greg Jackson to the curb, and said he isn't that good anymore, or something along those lines.
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He also said he told Greg Jackson not to bring Jon Jones into the camp I guess, and now he's all bum hurt that he's jackons pride and joy.
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Greg Jackson's camp are holding onto Jones and Rashad is pissed because he was there first
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Can't blame Jackson, he will make much more money from Jones than Evans, atleast I would say so right here and now.
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Goddamn, Bones is amazing. I had him winning, but not with that much dominance. Outstruck Shogun for fun. You could basically see it was over after the portion of the first round where Shogun was on his back. When he got up, he just looked befuddled and dead tired.
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