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Old 03-24-2011, 08:53 PM   #41
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It's ballet injected with a shit load of testosterone.

Ballet is seriously one of the best analogs for pro wrestling when you think about it.
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:55 PM   #42
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Wrestling is just Improvised stage combat.
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:58 PM   #43
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Hmm I've always considered wrestling to be more like dance than a sport, so yeah sure lets call it artistic combat.
Yeah, I've found myself using 'it's a dance' as an analogy a million times.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:00 PM   #44
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Its not combat.

They arent really fighting each other.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:00 PM   #45
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:01 PM   #46
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Its not combat.

They arent really fighting each other.
Stage combat isn't so bad, it implies it is combat for stage which is essentially true. "Artistic combat" can eat a big fat dick however.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:06 PM   #47
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Let us remember who coined this term.

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Old 03-24-2011, 09:12 PM   #48
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Comparing wrestling to ballet is not a good analogy. Ballet is precise, with a dedicated set of motions. Wrestling is more spontaneous as to the exact moves being used. Wrestlers are nothing more than stuntmen with an expertise in exaggerated hand to hand combat with varying acting skills.
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Its not combat.

They arent really fighting each other.
If you had bothered to look up the term "stage combat", you would have known that it doesn't imply any real fighting going on.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:16 PM   #50
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Comparing wrestling to ballet is not a good analogy. Ballet is precise, with a dedicated set of motions. Wrestling is more spontaneous as to the exact moves being used. Wrestlers are nothing more than stuntmen with an expertise in exaggerated hand to hand combat with varying acting skills.
So you're saying they're glorified stuntmen.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:23 PM   #51
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That's exactly what stuntmen do. Think about the guys who have to fight JCVD or Steven Seagal, the difference being wrestlers have to do it with out the benefit of multiple takes. I never made the statement that they are glorified. Are they good at what they do? Some of them are, most barely make it look good.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:27 PM   #52
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'Most barely make it look good?'

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Old 03-24-2011, 09:38 PM   #53
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When making this statement, I am including all of them. From the ones in the WWE to the guys being thrown around in bingo halls and VFWs.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:43 PM   #54
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Given everybody around, a lot of them are awful. But most people on Earth that watch wrestling are only ever exposed to the very best.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:47 PM   #55
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That's true but my initial point is still valid whether or not most people have seen them.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:49 PM   #56
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If a Clox wrestles in the woods, does it make a sound?
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:51 PM   #57
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Depends whether he's too blown up to chant 'This is awesome!' or not.
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:55 PM   #58
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It's fake, Sports Entertainment is the perfect definition of what modern wrestling AAA, CMLL, TNA, WWE, all sports entertainment, all fake. Is there an art to wrestling? Yes, the art is not hurting the guy you hit, but making it seem like you did. If people wanted to watch wrestling then why doesn't College Wrestling get huge numbers on TV? Come on, only people involved with Amateur Wrestling watch that. If people want real they watch UFC, and if they want sports entertainment they watch WWE. However, at time you could say UFC is sports entertainment. Sport, that is presumable not with a predetermined winner and loser, also full contact. Entertainment in the personalities that are used to sell fights and they obvious bullshit they talk in interviews.
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So you're saying they're glorified stuntmen.


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Old 03-24-2011, 10:08 PM   #60
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At one point in that match, even the ref is so bored that he forgets to count for a cover
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Old 03-25-2011, 03:06 AM   #61
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People always try and change terms they believe to be negative.

People are pissed off by the word "fake" because they feel it invalidates their enjoyment. Which is retarded, but so are most people. People have tried to rename comic books, defining them as "graphic novels" (Expanding the term from the more "adult" collection), "sequential art," etc. People are throwing terms around now, looking for ones that will stick with video games, because it sounds childish (like comic books). So now we have interactive media (Though technically, we've had it for years). "Game" implies a childish passtime, it seems. Anime can never ever ever be considered cartoons, because cartoons are for kids. You know, as opposed to Pokémon.

They think it softens the blow, but it doesn't.

Even changing the description from "fake" to "artistic combat" only means the same negative connotations will be applied to the new label. And wrestling will still be looked down on. Most importantly, you sound like a fucking retard when you say "it's not fake, it's...."
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Old 03-25-2011, 04:13 AM   #62
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Masochistic ballet would actually be a less stupid term

Artistic Combat....hmm

"Taker and HBK about to square off in what is sure to be classic artistic combat"


I think of artistic combat I think of fencing not pro wrestling
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Old 03-25-2011, 05:29 AM   #63
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"Artistic combat" sounds like the perfect term to describe what that "WMAC Masters" show was.
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Old 03-25-2011, 10:45 AM   #64
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The reason ROH won't succeed is because it attempts to be legit, give me a break.
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This coming from somebody who has been to five or more of their shows in the past.
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I feel really bad laughing at this, as everyone has to start somewhere -- but is this "artistic combat?" Seriously?
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Old 03-27-2011, 12:50 AM   #68
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I've gotta be honest to myself and you guys and say the best matches I have ever seen live were from Ring of Honor. Although I quickly learned that each match follows a very similar formula, which is no formula other than spend like two minutes in the ring, go to the outside guard rail spots, back inside for superkicks, suplexes, and lariats, finishers but they kick out, maybe several times, the off the top, maybe a kick out, followed by five super kicks or lariats.

It's cool when done for the main event, but too many matches in ROH try to top each other, instead of make a collective great show.
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I watched Eddie Edwards vs. Davey Richards earlier today from one of the TV shows. Was fucking ridiculous. Huge top rope rana followed instantly by a powerbomb followed instantly by a submission attempt. Can't really help but sit and think "dickheads ". And Davey Richards, who appears to take pride in kicking people as hard as he can because he's fucking clueless and "this'll make 'em think it's real!" then throws the softest and worst looking punches I've seen this year. Then they do a bunch more stuff that meant absolutely nothing because they wouldn't allow it too before Edwards went over with some lukewarm anti-climax of a half crab thing. Followed by 'mutual respect handshake, we're so intense because we have no characters/are dull as ass and we're trying to make you think it's all real' bollocks. And this was on their 'Best of' TV show. Which earlier on featured the Briscoes giving some shitty looking but really fucking dangerous top rope neckbreaker thing to one of the Young Bucks. Fuck ROH. They have some decent guys and I respect the fuck out of what a lot of them are capable of athletically and the TV show has a very nice little setup but it's just shit for the most part.
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People always try and change terms they believe to be negative.

People are pissed off by the word "fake" because they feel it invalidates their enjoyment. Which is retarded, but so are most people. People have tried to rename comic books, defining them as "graphic novels" (Expanding the term from the more "adult" collection), "sequential art," etc. People are throwing terms around now, looking for ones that will stick with video games, because it sounds childish (like comic books). So now we have interactive media (Though technically, we've had it for years). "Game" implies a childish passtime, it seems. Anime can never ever ever be considered cartoons, because cartoons are for kids. You know, as opposed to Pokémon.

They think it softens the blow, but it doesn't.

Even changing the description from "fake" to "artistic combat" only means the same negative connotations will be applied to the new label. And wrestling will still be looked down on. Most importantly, you sound like a fucking retard when you say "it's not fake, it's...."
There's certainly merit to this. However, my only objection to the word fake is the implication that every single aspect of the event is staged/a work.

Tell that to guys like Bob Holly, Droz, etc. who were seriously injured performing in a 'fake' sport.

Fake is accurate but perhaps not the most appropriate word - another poster made an analogy to TV and movies and its certainly scripted in that regard but there is also that stuntman/something could go wrong element to it. I would never call a stuntman's work 'fake.' Also, there's no way in hell I'm calling it "artistic combat".

So in sum imo, words like fixed, scripted, staged are all terms that would probably be appropriate.

I don't really know what the answer is but let's not give it more credit than it deserves, either.
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I just view it as athletic soap opera.
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I just view it as athletic soap opera.
He said it best.
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Old 03-28-2011, 04:21 PM   #75
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that video is before I started really wrestling. That was in a freinds yard. Now i wrestle in front of around 200-400 people and our sister promotion is in PWI Insider.
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that video is before I started really wrestling. That was in a freinds yard. Now i wrestle in front of around 200-400 people and our sister promotion is in PWI Insider.
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