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Old 04-20-2011, 11:51 AM   #41
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Owen Hart had personality falling out of his arse, his heel character was outstanding. Lance Storm actually had his personality removed during childhood.
I wouldn't say Owen had personality "falling out of his arse". His character was based on him feuding with Bret for about 3 years, and then Stone Cold Steve Austin...

...I'm not shitting on the guy, I mean, he was good...but I think his "legend" has been enhanced, sadly, by the fact he died so young and tragically.
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Old 04-20-2011, 11:55 AM   #42
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Of course it wasn't. He turned heel on Bret and feuded with him for a while, that was about it. He more than 'made his own way', he spent most of his heel run teaming with Yoko/Davey/Camp Cornette etc, feuding with HBK, Austin, the Nation stuff then back to tag teams and was arguably the 'MVP' of all of it. Death often enhances a guys image but Owen isn't one of those cases. He'd have had multiple world title runs if he'd been around in the current climate.
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Old 04-20-2011, 12:06 PM   #43
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If Owen was to have lived longer, I have NO DOUBT he would have held the big strap at least one time. Sure he was going to take the Intercontinental Title the night he passed away, and sure he was The Blue Blazer, it was a gimmick they were going to use to turn him heel. You may not remember but after Wrestlemania 15 there were a lot of reports on Owen getting a push soon, but everyone was like WTF he's teaming with Jarrett and doing the Blue Blazer, they were going to repackage him as "The Game".

Also, we would have only ended up seeing exactly how different and probably how much better Owen was in the ring than Bret. Well not "so much better", more accurately, how much more exciting.

Just remember when he first turned into "The Black Hart" and he was neither a babyface or a heel, someone out to injure Shawn and Triple H, the feud with The Nation, Shamrock, and of course Austin, Bulldog, and Bret.

I understand people saying "you hype him because he died tragically, he wasn't all that"" but I gotta say, I was always really attached to Owen and more than any other wrestler that has died in my lifetime, that death affected me. I grew up with Owen hart being a hilarious viscous heel on my TV, and he's one of the natural characters that progressed past the mold of a WWE wrestler in the 90's, and became a WWE trademark. Even though he was a big guy compared to normal people, he made it pretty far for his size at the time, I just so badly wish he had wrestled his last match at Wrestlemania a few years ago, or a few years from now .
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They were going to repackage Owen as "The Game"?
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[IMG]In the early months of spring in 1999, Jeff Jarrett and Owen Hart had been building a reputation as a strong tag team, with Debra as their manager. Management had planned the team to eventually split up, and Owen begin to lust after Debra, infuriating Jarrett, which would in turn plant the seeds for a bitter and very personal feud. Owen, happily married in real life, didn't want his young children to see him cheating on his wife every Monday night, so he outright refused the angle. It was an honorable, if stubborn decision. The result, was that Owen was saddled with the Blue Blazer gimmick. It was a persona he'd donned early in his career as a glorified jobber, and one he was forced to revisit. It was punishment for declining a well thought out angle, orchestrated to humiliate Owen, who has to don a superhero persona and spend much of his time mimicking the wrestlers in WCW. While staring as the Blue Blazer, Owen Hart's talents were still obvious. And at "Over the Edge" 1999, he was booked to win the WWF Intercontinental Title. After that, Owen was booked to break free of the Blue Blazer gimmick, and would go onto be called "The Game", and enter into a program with Edge.[/IMG]

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Old 04-20-2011, 12:16 PM   #47
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In the early months of spring in 1999, Jeff Jarrett and Owen Hart had been building a reputation as a strong tag team, with Debra as their manager. Management had planned the team to eventually split up, and Owen begin to lust after Debra, infuriating Jarrett, which would in turn plant the seeds for a bitter and very personal feud. Owen, happily married in real life, didn't want his young children to see him cheating on his wife every Monday night, so he outright refused the angle. It was an honorable, if stubborn decision. The result, was that Owen was saddled with the Blue Blazer gimmick. It was a persona he'd donned early in his career as a glorified jobber, and one he was forced to revisit. It was punishment for declining a well thought out angle, orchestrated to humiliate Owen, who has to don a superhero persona and spend much of his time mimicking the wrestlers in WCW. While staring as the Blue Blazer, Owen Hart's talents were still obvious. And at "Over the Edge" 1999, he was booked to win the WWF Intercontinental Title. After that, Owen was booked to break free of the Blue Blazer gimmick, and would go onto be called "The Game", and enter into a program with Edge.
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Yeah, the 'Owen was supposed to be The Game' thing has been around for some time. No idea where it came from/how much truth there was to it etc.
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Old 04-20-2011, 12:17 PM   #49
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God reading that just fucking makes me sick.

Owen stuck to his morals, which I actually respect ALOT. Then he ws PUNISHED, and that gimmick lead to his death. Sad. FUCK.
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...Wasn't Triple H wasn't calling himself "The Game" already? Or did he start after Owen died? 'Cause, if so...
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Old 04-20-2011, 12:34 PM   #51
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Old 04-20-2011, 01:31 PM   #52
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...Wasn't Triple H wasn't calling himself "The Game" already? Or did he start after Owen died? 'Cause, if so...
No he turned heel at Wrestlemania that year and feuded with The Rock and X-Pac for a while, I think before or after Summerslam "The Game" was born.
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Old 04-20-2011, 01:32 PM   #53
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I do think Jr. called him the "Cerebral Assassin" right as he turned heel.
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Old 04-20-2011, 11:54 PM   #54
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I would have to say a lot of the WCW guys.

Also,
Shelton Benjamin
Carlito
Matt Hardy
Test
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Mark Jindrak
Mordecai
CM Punk(as a face)

Although I would say that the two biggest are:

Mr. Kennedy- He was getting HUGE before his release. His catch phrase was the #1 catch phrase in all of wrestling. He was marketable as both a face or a heel. He's good in the ring, great on the mic. Imagine if he were revealed at Mr. McMahons illegitimate son(before they totally ruined that storyline) He could have taken that gimmick and ran with it. Wouldhave lead to some Ginormous feuds with HHH,HBK and Cena.

MVP- Should have been the next coming of "The Rock." He was coming into his own during the Feud with Benoit. They could have put him in high profile feuds with Batista and The Undertaker on Smackdown, then turned him face and sent him to raw. MVP/Orton could have been marvelous baqck then. What a shame
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Old 04-20-2011, 11:59 PM   #55
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oh, and Maven. Cannot forget about Maven lol
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Old 04-21-2011, 12:11 AM   #57
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Many people say Owen Hart should've been WWF Champion (and i agree), but my question is...what is the difference between Owen Hart and Lance Storm? Why should Owen have become WWF Champion, but not Lance? They're the same, in my book.
The correct answer is that Owen died, so now he's "one of the greatest EVAR", but had he lived, I'm sure we would be using him as the example instead of Lance Storm.
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The correct answer is that Owen died, so now he's "one of the greatest EVAR", but had he lived, I'm sure we would be using him as the example instead of Lance Storm.
EXACTLY.

Finally someone understands reality.

It's not a knock on Owen, by the way...it's just the way it is.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:57 AM   #62
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Lex Lugers narcissist character was amazing and could have gone so far.
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EXACTLY.

Finally someone understands reality.

It's not a knock on Owen, by the way...it's just the way it is.
Stating your opinion over and over again until somebody agrees with it does not mean it is a reality to be understood. If you both actually believe that Lance Storm was on Owen's level and that he has somehow been over-romanticized by death, go and watch his best work. Lance Storm could have hung with him in the ring for sure but that pretty much means jack shit in professional wrestling if it's your main/only strength. Outside of not 'playing the game' as much as he could have/taking every chance to get ahead, Owen was pretty much the complete package. Nobody is claiming he's Hogan or Austin or Flair but he was excellent and he never fulfilled his potential (which is saying something given everything he achieved) due to a combination of factors, the most telling and ultimately final one of course being death. And that "one of the greatest EVAR" is probably the most ridiculous thing I've seen in this forum from somebody trying to make a valid point as opposed to just being a fuckwit that I've seen in a while.
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Old 04-24-2011, 10:31 PM   #64
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Owen Hart, from the little I have seen from him, is absolutely amazing. So is Lance Storm, but I don't think we really need to compare them, do we? Owen's career went the path his did, and Storm's went the path his did. We all enjoyed the "Lance Storm wins everything because he's just that good" angle, and I would have loved to have seen something like that play out in the WWE in 2001, with Storm winning the European Title off Eddie Guerrero and the Intercontinental Title off Chris Jericho, continuing to feud with both of them, but the thing is -- that didn't happen.

I'm of the belief that Storm could have very easily been a World Champion, by the way, in the right atmosphere, with the right character, the right push, the right timing and the right program. It just never lined up like that.
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A controversial choice for me.

The Ultimate Warrior..

Why you say? Warrior achieved a lot and that can't be denied but he was never classed in the same league in terms of winning championships as Hogan, Flair, HHH, Stone Cold, The Rock even though I believe he could have been.

What makes me say that? Well take a look at his return on WWE Raw back in 1996 below. Look at how much his character evolved, look at how badly the crowd wants him to have "one last run". He has a Stone Cold like attitude here when you compare him to the original Ultimate Warrior who grunted, snorted and spoke as if he was possessed by spirits they really are worlds apart.

This Warrior was far more thought out, more calculated, had an even bigger presence about him. He really looked ready for major things in my opinion. Some how, some way it all went pear shaped but I truly believe he would have been a multi time world champion much like The Rock and Stone Cold had he carried on in the WWE.

He really looked like a veteran of the business in his prime here and I really believe Vince had big big plans for the Warrior. Of course the Warrior made a big impression in his earlier days and will no doubt go down in history as one of the best 'superstars' of all time but he could have been so much more in my opinion and it's a shame we didn't see his character and moveset develop further you see some signs of this in the match with Owen and Cigar smoking in the match against Goldust playing mind games and such this was a much more edgy Warrior than previous versions of the character. Also let's not forget how high Vince was on this guy you can see that in the interview and during commentary!

In a nutshell I guess you could say he was evolving.



Also see the match with Owen below for a more technical Ultimate Warrior



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A controversial choice for me.

The Ultimate Warrior..

Why you say? Warrior achieved a lot and that can't be denied but he was never classed in the same league in terms of winning championships as Hogan, Flair, HHH, Stone Cold, The Rock even though I believe he could have been.

What makes me say that? Well take a look at his return on WWE Raw back in 1996 below. Look at how much his character evolved, look at how badly the crowd wants him to have "one last run". He has a Stone Cold like attitude here when you compare him to the original Ultimate Warrior who grunted, snorted and spoke as if he was possessed by spirits they really are worlds apart.

This Warrior was far more thought out, more calculated, had an even bigger presence about him. He really looked ready for major things in my opinion. Some how, some way it all went pear shaped but I truly believe he would have been a multi time world champion much like The Rock and Stone Cold had he carried on in the WWE.

He really looked like a veteran of the business in his prime here and I really believe Vince had big big plans for the Warrior. Of course the Warrior made a big impression in his earlier days and will no doubt go down in history as one of the best 'superstars' of all time but he could have been so much more in my opinion and it's a shame we didn't see his character and moveset develop further. Let's not forget how high Vince was on this guy you can see that in the interview!
Yep I can definitely concur that Vince wanted Warrior to be the next big thing. When Nash left for WCW Vince asked him to put Shawn & Undertaker over, which he obliged.

But apparently Kev saw the future because Vince wanted him to put Warrior over, and he wouldn't. I don't remember his exact words but he saw that Warrior wouldn't stick around and he'd fight his contract status and what not.
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I'm of the belief that Storm could have very easily been a World Champion, by the way, in the right atmosphere, with the right character, the right push, the right timing and the right program. It just never lined up like that.
In the right atmosphere, with the right character, the right push, the right timing and the right program. So basically, he "could have very easily been a World Champion" if everything about him were different. That could be said about every guy who ever got in the ring. Hell, Chyna could have become the World Champ if she knew how to work, cut a promo, and had a dick.
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Lance Storm would have been a crap world champion. Sorry.

Also, Owen Hart was one of my favorites. He was the first heel that I cheered for when I was a kid.
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Even in the right atmosphere, with the right character, the right push, the right timing and the right program?
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If he couldn't do it with his happy-go-lucky, cabbage-patching, please-don't-call-me-boring-Stonecold character, then it just wasn't in the cards for him. That was as close to perfect as you can get.
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