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Old 08-26-2011, 05:46 PM   #41
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I really hope they aren’t this foolish. If Sin Cara isn’t Mistico, he isn’t interesting. He’s just another luchador.
Disagree. Yes, to people like us, I'd guess some of us would have a bigger hardon for him because he's Mistico. But to the vast majority, he's a guy that does flippy spots in the ring, points and has a cool mask/attire. Hunico does it just as well, arguably better than Mistico in the WWE world.

He's just as over now as he was when he was Mistico. There is honestly no point to having Mistico under the Sin Cara mask if someone can do it better right now.

Is he "just another luchador"? I don't know, the Sin Cara character is over in the WWE world. Luchadors rarely get as over as he has in WWE. I can honestly only think of Rey. If he's this over and "just another luchador", they should probably invest in more "just another luchadors".
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Old 08-26-2011, 05:49 PM   #42
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Talented, but full of himself. Needs others with talent to have a good match.

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Why are u talking like you know the guy?

I like the original Sin Cara better for multiple reasons but if Hunico is gonna be Sin Cara permanently I think he should develop his own "Sin Cara" since he looks goofy trying to be Mistico's "Sin Cara".
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Old 08-26-2011, 06:10 PM   #43
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WE sources indicate that Luis Ignascio Urive Alvirde, the original Sin Cara, was sent home from Tuesday’s SmackDown taping in Calgary, Alberta, Canada after meeting with company officials. He left the Scotiabank Saddledome before the event’s conclusion.

Company sources say developmental talent Jorge Arias (a/k/a Hunico) will exclusively portray the Sin Cara character going forward. WWE wants to maintain the character since its been very popular among kids and in merchandise sales.

Many employees expect Alvirde to part ways with the organization, but that is not 100% confirmed.

WWE re-shot a match between Sin Cara and Heath Slater at Tuesday’s taping since the initial bout featured numerous botched maneuvers. Aries portrayed Cara in both matches. Alvirde was dressed to compete, but management opted not to use him.

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Aww, I thought this was gonna be the original Sin Cara comming back to wrestle "the imposter". Then they could bring in all the other guys we talked about playing Sin Caras. Skip Cara, Brodus Cara, Sin Knox, think of the awesome shenanigans
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Wait so Hunico botched? I'm confused....lol then again he might have botched "better" than Mistico did.
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Disagree. Yes, to people like us, I'd guess some of us would have a bigger hardon for him because he's Mistico. But to the vast majority, he's a guy that does flippy spots in the ring, points and has a cool mask/attire. Hunico does it just as well, arguably better than Mistico in the WWE world.

He's just as over now as he was when he was Mistico. There is honestly no point to having Mistico under the Sin Cara mask if someone can do it better right now.

Is he "just another luchador"? I don't know, the Sin Cara character is over in the WWE world. Luchadors rarely get as over as he has in WWE. I can honestly only think of Rey. If he's this over and "just another luchador", they should probably invest in more "just another luchadors".
Who cares if Hunico does it better than Mistico or just as well? There are luchadors better than Rey Mysterio. Does that mean they should fire Mysterio, hire another guy, and call him "Rey Mysterio?" Mistico IS Sin Cara, plain and simple.

Hunico is good, but I don't think that's a reason to fire Mistico.
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That is really interesting if Hunico was the one that botched. Guess we'll find out tonight.
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Who cares if Hunico does it better than Mistico or just as well? There are luchadors better than Rey Mysterio. Does that mean they should fire Mysterio, hire another guy, and call him "Rey Mysterio?" Mistico IS Sin Cara, plain and simple.

Hunico is good, but I don't think that's a reason to fire Mistico.
No, I think the fact that Mistico comes in, clearly can't work the style yet (which, to be fair, falls heavily on WWE for not putting him in FCW), botches left and right and he fails a fucking wellness test are reasons enough that Mistico should be replaced. Maybe not fired, but definitely put down in FCW to work on his shit and get his act together.

Honestly, I can't even say he shouldn't be fired. Someone who's that high profile of a signing should not be failing wellness, period. Let alone within months of his debut. You're only basing it off the fact that he's Mistico, not the fact that, realistically, he's a borderline embarrassment for the company.

The character is hot enough that it warranted a replacement, and they could logistically do one, unlike 90% of the roster. Believe me, if, say, Randy Orton failed wellness or got injured and they could put someone else in the character, they more than likely would.

And you really can't do it with Rey. There are too many variables (the fact that he promos, his size, his tats) that prevent someone from playing Rey. Again, if they could, I really think they would.
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No, I think the fact that Mistico comes in, clearly can't work the style yet (which, to be fair, falls heavily on WWE for not putting him in FCW), botches left and right and he fails a fucking wellness test are reasons enough that Mistico should be replaced. Maybe not fired, but definitely put down in FCW to work on his shit and get his act together.

Honestly, I can't even say he shouldn't be fired. Someone who's that high profile of a signing should not be failing wellness, period. Let alone within months of his debut. You're only basing it off the fact that he's Mistico, not the fact that, realistically, he's a borderline embarrassment for the company.

The character is hot enough that it warranted a replacement, and they could logistically do one, unlike 90% of the roster. Believe me, if, say, Randy Orton failed wellness or got injured and they could put someone else in the character, they more than likely would.

And you really can't do it with Rey. There are too many variables (the fact that he promos, his size, his tats) that prevent someone from playing Rey. Again, if they could, I really think they would.
They brought Sin Cara in as Mistico and promoted how big of a superstar he is. Being played by someone else diminishes the character. When he first came to WWE, they had a press conference and everything where they acknowledged that he used to be called Mistico, and he came out in a Mistico mask which he took off to reveal the new Sin Cara mask underneath, so yeah, it looks kinda crap if they drop him after that if someone else is going to carry on the gimmick.
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Old 08-26-2011, 07:43 PM   #52
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Honestly I'm happy about this from the reports I've read Mistico was a bit to high and mighty for his own good and didn't seem like he really appreciated the fact the he was being pushed to the freakin' moon. Not to mention Hunico did a great job and honestly I enjoyed his matches more than Mistico's. In the end I say it's a good decision as it saves money, puts a guy who isn't constantly screwing up under the mask, and avoids more embarassment for WWE. And to those who are saying that you can't replace him cause he IS Sin Cara and bringing up that WWE already made such a big deal about him being Mistico look at it from a casual fan's perspective most if not all of them have probably forgotten that Mistico is Cara is they ever even cared to begin with.
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Assuming the WWE can manage to acquire the rights to the Mistico name from CMLL, here’s how I’d book an angle between the imposter and original:

On an episode of SmackDown in October, “Sin Cara” wins a match against Ted DiBiase. As his music plays, Theodore Long shows up on stage and waits until the music stops. Long says that something very interesting just happened and tells us he was backstage when he received a call from none other than… Sin Cara. Long says that it turns out Sin Cara has actually been out of action since Money In The Bank and whoever is in the ring has been pretending to be Sin Cara and is an imposter. Long tells the imposter that he can’t fire him because he isn’t under contract, but he isn’t going to have him escorted from the building either. Long instead offers the imposter a match at Vengeance in a couple of weeks with the real Sin Cara, who feels his identity is now ruined upon learning of this and thus will be returning under his original ringname. Long goes on to announce that at Vengeance, it will be the Sin Cara in the ring vs. the original Sin Cara… Mistico.

At Vengeance, Sin Cara’s music plays as the imposter shows up wearing the blue and gold attire. Sin Cara’s music plays again, only this time we’re introduced to Mistico (by Tony Chimmel), who appears wearing the same gold and white attire from Money In The Bank. Eventually, it’s Mistico who scores the win and starts wearing gold and white from now on.

From here, you can go in a few different directions. It would seem more likey for the WWE to take the imposter off TV, as we’ve seen in the past (Fake Kane, Fake Undertaker, etc.), but they could debut Hunico as a heel - by either continuing this angle and revealing him as Fake Sin Cara or establishing him as a brand new character - for Mistico to feud with. Either way would work.
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WWE has finally created the first immortal wrestler..they can just keep changing the guy under the mask every so often and keep Sin Cara wrestling forever.
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Maybe now that Hunico is Sin Cara they will have Primo be Hunico and Mistico can take over as Primo.
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Born to Mexican immigrant parents in El Paso, Texas, Arias began wrestling in Burges High School where he was an accomplished state champion multiple times.[7] He then embarked onto a professional career, as he managed to continue working for his family's funeral home and Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, Mexico in the early 2000s under the ring name "Mistico". This masked ring persona may or may not have preceded the debut of Místico in Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL) around the same time period, but CMLL won the legal rights to the name "Místico" some time in 2005, forcing the Juarez version to change his name to "Mystico" or "Mistico de Juarez".[8
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Im talking about keeping the same "character" active over long term continuously...
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Assuming the WWE can manage to acquire the rights to the Mistico name from CMLL, here’s how I’d book an angle between the imposter and original:

On an episode of SmackDown in October, “Sin Cara” wins a match against Ted DiBiase. As his music plays, Theodore Long shows up on stage and waits until the music stops. Long says that something very interesting just happened and tells us he was backstage when he received a call from none other than… Sin Cara. Long says that it turns out Sin Cara has actually been out of action since Money In The Bank and whoever is in the ring has been pretending to be Sin Cara and is an imposter. Long tells the imposter that he can’t fire him because he isn’t under contract, but he isn’t going to have him escorted from the building either. Long instead offers the imposter a match at Vengeance in a couple of weeks with the real Sin Cara, who feels his identity is now ruined upon learning of this and thus will be returning under his original ringname. Long goes on to announce that at Vengeance, it will be the Sin Cara in the ring vs. the original Sin Cara… Mistico.

At Vengeance, Sin Cara’s music plays as the imposter shows up wearing the blue and gold attire. Sin Cara’s music plays again, only this time we’re introduced to Mistico (by Tony Chimmel), who appears wearing the same gold and white attire from Money In The Bank. Eventually, it’s Mistico who scores the win and starts wearing gold and white from now on.

From here, you can go in a few different directions. It would seem more likey for the WWE to take the imposter off TV, as we’ve seen in the past (Fake Kane, Fake Undertaker, etc.), but they could debut Hunico as a heel - by either continuing this angle and revealing him as Fake Sin Cara or establishing him as a brand new character - for Mistico to feud with. Either way would work.
Add a third Sin Cara into the mix, who turns out to be Dean Malenko, and I'm sold...
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Old 08-26-2011, 10:07 PM   #66
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The voice of Bugs Bunny in the 1960s was a different person to the one who did it in Space Jam.

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Old 08-26-2011, 10:08 PM   #67
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Old 08-26-2011, 10:11 PM   #68
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If its good enough for Warner Bros, its good enough for WWE.
Yeah, that's because Mel Blanc was dead.

Místico isn't dead.
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Old 08-26-2011, 10:27 PM   #69
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Old 08-26-2011, 10:34 PM   #70
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Old 08-26-2011, 10:49 PM   #71
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He really should have spent some time in FCW like Del Rio did.
This they could have him paired up with Epico and have them subbing one another.
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:15 PM   #72
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Why do all the Mexicans need names that end with an "o"?
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:19 PM   #73
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Because every mexican word ends in O

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Old 08-26-2011, 11:47 PM   #74
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:51 AM   #75
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I love how people watch a few 3 minute matches and determine that hunico is better than sin cara just from that.

I've seen incognito, and I've seen mistico, and mistico is better by miles. Incognito just had the advantage of being brought in the proper way.

Yes sin cara brought some of this on himself with the wellness violation, but they've invested too much into this character to just hand it off to someone who will do it half as good as mistico potentially could.

I would put him in fcw for a while as someone said.

And all these rumors about him "thinking too highly of himself" are just typical dirtsheet crap. You can't know for sure that it's true so it shouldn't even enter the arguement.
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Old 08-27-2011, 04:11 AM   #76
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Why do all the Mexicans need names that end with an "o"?
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... Maybe its a WWE thing
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Old 08-27-2011, 06:10 AM   #77
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Sonofanarchy does not have that much rep yet (10+)
have a few of them(they have atleast 1 more dude in FCW whos lucha, use primo too) go take a brutal bump shit kicking every week or even twice a week, huge bump fest and somehow come out the winner as an upset after almost being crippled every week. act as if its the same guy who seems to be either really tuff or super-human

so John Cena but more bumps and just a comeback, no shitty back and fourth hogan formula offence
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Old 08-27-2011, 06:21 AM   #78
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:00 PM   #79
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I like the idea of Sin Cara, but if it's the first, second, third, fifth, seventh, etc Sin Cara, he needs to spend some time in FCW to learn the WWE style. You can hire a race car driver to drive a big rig cross country, but without the training he needs for that style of driving he's going to suck at his job.
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:41 PM   #80
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Logan does not have that much rep yet (10+)
I agree with everyone that it's disheartening that Mistico ended up where he has ended up, but after seeing Hunico, I prefer him as Cara. I DO hope that the cara v cara match happens at some point... could be interesting.
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