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Old 10-25-2011, 08:00 AM   #41
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Don't want to sound like I'm hating Rocky here either, and I've even stated that I think Ryder is an average worker. Just saying I can see where Jimmy's coming from.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:16 AM   #42
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Did someone say Catch Phrase?
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:40 AM   #43
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:48 AM   #44
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Old 10-25-2011, 11:32 AM   #45
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People don't care is someone has great "workrate" or whatever. They care about the Character. Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Mr. McMahon, John Cena, all great characters, all made a tonne of money, all are considered by many to be the people who changed the Wrestling business forever, and made it HUGE.

Daniel Bryan, John Morrison, and many others who are great workers, find themselves in the mid-card because no one gives a shit about how good of a worker you are if they can't connect with your character.
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Old 10-25-2011, 11:36 AM   #46
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Because nobody gives a fuck about workrate aside from smarky douches like yourself.
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Old 10-25-2011, 11:54 AM   #47
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Because nobody gives a fuck about workrate aside from smarky douches like yourself.

I fail to see where I said I cared about workrate, can you please point out where I said this you uneducated cunt?
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Old 10-25-2011, 12:08 PM   #48
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Rock was NOT a shitty worker. When he was Rocky Maivia, maybe. But as the rock, the guy could work. bumped A LOT, worked hard, moved fast. Sure he did a shitty sharp shooter, but hehad his own distinct style. He moved with the same flare, charisma and energy to which he talked. VERY few could do that. He also had awesome timing in the ring.
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Old 10-25-2011, 12:14 PM   #49
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I fail to see where I said I cared about workrate, can you please point out where I said this you uneducated cunt?
I was replying to the original question retard. See in the magical land of the internet, if someone is responding to something you said, it's put into quotes. Try to keep up.
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Old 10-25-2011, 12:21 PM   #50
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I was replying to the original question retard. See in the magical land of the internet, if someone is responding to something you said, it's put into quotes. Try to keep up.

Then I suggest you put the original post in quotes and this misunderstanding could have been avoided.
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Old 10-25-2011, 12:44 PM   #51
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Ryder is not a shitty worker..... The guy can put on a good match..... The Great Khali is a shitty worker
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:07 PM   #52
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Road Dogg...
To be fair, Road Dogg got over at a point in time where the crowd was so hot they would have creamed themselves for the hot dog vendor if he wrestled a match. And if he had a catchphrase, he'd probably be bigger'n Jesus.
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:14 PM   #53
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well u gotta cash it in before the next money in the bank
This just made me think of something.

What if they allowed it to be cashed in at any point in the future. Then the same person won it two years in a row.

They end up winning the WHC and have a Money in The Bank Shot.

So somewheres down the line, the guy loses his title in a brutal epic match at Mania and after staggering to his feet and the victor heading up the ramp he yells.

"Hey _____ you have my title, I think you should come back here"

the camera pans in on the winners face as he realizes, he turns and looks at the loser in the ring with the MITB case.

Round 2, where the guy who lost it wins it back.
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:16 PM   #54
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They could easily do that without having to put two briefcases on the guy.
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:19 PM   #55
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How can they do a match involving two money in the bank briefcases without two money in the bank briefcases.
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:21 PM   #56
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"They end up winning the WHC and have a Money in The Bank Shot."

^ You don't need to use a briefcase to win the belt in the first place.
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:30 PM   #57
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My idea had two briefcases, not just one.

2 =/= 1
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:44 PM   #58
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What are we talking about again?
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Old 10-25-2011, 04:46 PM   #59
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You're idea takes over a year to build and essentially "wastes" a briefcase.

My variation doesn't "waste" a case and takes half the time to build to create the same "moment" that you've come up with.

Mine > yours
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Old 10-25-2011, 05:45 PM   #60
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The Rock isn't that great in the ring, no, but he's not a shitty worker by any stretch. He has a lot of energy and performs well. He may have the doom set and everything but he's second to none in taunting and the like.

Austin's vest @ 'Mania 19 being an example.
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Old 10-25-2011, 05:54 PM   #61
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So the topic. It's a lot deeper than this but I think an element of it is that people can get their fighting elsewhere more easily nowadays. But unless you're Muhammad Ali, most people don't talk as much trash as wrestlers. As far as actual catch phrases, it may be a simple way to make a connection through imitation. Don't really know.
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Old 10-25-2011, 08:36 PM   #62
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You're idea takes over a year to build and essentially "wastes" a briefcase.

My variation doesn't "waste" a case and takes half the time to build to create the same "moment" that you've come up with.

Mine > yours
Gotta say, his is better, Fan Gerl.

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The Rock isn't that great in the ring, no, but he's not a shitty worker by any stretch. He has a lot of energy and performs well. He may have the doom set and everything but he's second to none in taunting and the like.

Austin's vest @ 'Mania 19 being an example.
He also wasn't JUST a catch phrase. Pretty sure he could get an arena full of bros singing "it's raining men" if he wanted.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:26 PM   #63
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Yeah, I just don't wanna overstate my bromance for The Rock any more than I already do. I could write an essay about the peoples' elbow.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:01 AM   #64
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The Rock's in-ring work isn't GREAT, so WWE is really taking a risk by having him wrestle at Survivor Series, because once the novelty of seeing The Rock in the ring wears off, and he begins to actually wrestle, fans may just get bored, and turn on him...which could make for a heel turn, but still...
Actually laughing aloud at the thought of fans turning on The Rock because they "get bored" of him. It's not like he's wrestling for an hour.
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:16 AM   #65
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The Rock is one of the best ever.. His in-ring work is full of energy, story-telling, and athleticism. Does he have to break out a bridging northern-lights suplex?
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Old 10-26-2011, 12:52 AM   #66
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Old 10-26-2011, 01:25 AM   #67
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Easier to sell merchandise if a wrestler has a popular catchphrase or a character-type than having just a wrestler who is amazing with actual wrestling skills but nothing else.

Hulk Hogan probably made Vince a ton more money just from those rip-able shirts and Hulk-a-mania headbands/rags alone than Mr Perfect or other exceptionally wrestling skilled talents did with their in-ring work. Mr Perfect might have earned money from people wanting to see good in-ring work but Hogan sold shows just from a promo or catchphrase alone.
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:03 AM   #68
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Because nobody gives a fuck about workrate aside from smarky douches like yourself.
I agree with the Gert.
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:50 AM   #69
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Don't get me wrong I appreciate a good "workrate" as much as the next guy and love guys like Mr. Perfect, Bret, HBK and Kurt Angle. That being said, guys can still have great matches and feuds together without knowing every hold, counter, suplex or move in the book.

If Vince only hired guys purely on "workrate", and catch phrase or not, none of them could cut a promo or entertain, that would probably be the most boring wrestling show ever after the first couple of matches. I can only watch so much of two guys putting on a clinic if they have no personality or aren't entertaining outside of pure wrestling.

And saying that The Rock is a shitty worker or had no "workrate", and ONLY got over because of his catch phrases is like saying that Triple H only got over because of the MSG incident or only because of Stephanie, it's just absurd.
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Old 10-26-2011, 11:27 AM   #70
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I agree with the Gert.
It's not really about workrate. At least not entirely, but some of these guys don't even look competent in the ring. The Rock is not a great "worker" in the sense of his skill or "moveset." He still puts on competent matches that look good.

Advocating people not look like utter shite in the ring is not the same as demanding indy darlings 9003 and 4632 put on a 30 minute clinic where they each use five hundred individual moves or whatever garbage they're doing in RoH these days.
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Old 10-26-2011, 02:07 PM   #71
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Because this is not RoH where the only thing that matters is wrestling.
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:05 PM   #72
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I just watched Rock vs Kurt Angle No Way Out '01. Let me tell you, Kurt Angle has had worse matches with "better wrestlers". The Rock is and always was one hell of an athlete. If he wasn't as good of an athlete, he definitely wouldn't have been as successful, because he could ALWAYS tell a story.
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:09 PM   #73
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I've never gotten the "Rock isn't a great worker" crap. It's the same people who claim Sting wasn't either, which is also total garbage.
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Old 10-26-2011, 06:36 PM   #74
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I've never gotten the "Rock isn't a great worker" crap. It's the same people who claim Sting wasn't either, which is also total garbage.
Trying to play both sides. Brilliant.
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Old 10-26-2011, 06:53 PM   #75
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Kennedy/Anderson really is awful, I watched TNA the other week and he was all shouty and retarded.

They are trying to make him into Stone Cold too lollllllllll
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Old 10-26-2011, 07:10 PM   #76
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Has he sprayed anyone with beer yet?
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Old 10-26-2011, 07:10 PM   #77
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I seriously barely keep up with WWE now, so TNA's right out, normally.
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Kennedy is the shits. Honestly has no talent.
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