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Old 10-30-2011, 02:07 AM   #41
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The hardcore title coming back would be a cool idea for a while. Del Rio and Cena's match at Vengeance showed how hardcore rules can work perfectly well in the modern era. It wouldn't be a problem, and would add to the unpredictability which seems to be what they're going for as of late, and would give some lower talent exposure.
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Old 10-30-2011, 10:51 AM   #42
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But having hardcore match after hardcore match will diminish the other gimmick matches and more brutal angles. Since they have toned it down, their matches are no where NEAR as brutal, but it's almost like I've been re-sensitized to when they do the "hardcore" stuff they do now and it's like, wow, that's cool. Versus "wow, another garbage can shot that's been sold exactly 0 seconds. Haven't seen one of those for three segments..."
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Old 10-30-2011, 11:46 AM   #43
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It will give all the low carders something to do, and have an extra storyline in the process. It should have 24/7 rules intact and be defended on both shows tho...
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I'd prefer to have a version of the FCW 15-minute Title that would be defended mostly on Superstars and NXT, and occasionally on Raw & Smackdown.....
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Be A Star Championship.

Defended in rigorous debate/open dialog confrontations. DQ for any physical violence.
They should make a title, that could only be defended between 836pm and 923pm. If someone wants to challange for it, they would have to wear a bunny costume with a peg leg and only do moves that they while they singing the moves name. Now that is some Sports Entertainment
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Old 10-30-2011, 07:15 PM   #44
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As much as I was 10 seconds away from posting "Sure, bring it back" I agreed with Xero and decided that the cruiser-weight title or TV title would be better for this era.
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Old 10-30-2011, 10:19 PM   #45
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No. Nor should a Cruiser, TV or Euro Title be brought back.

We've just got to a point where the US and IC Titles are starting to mean something again, where the titles are defended/the champions are featured on PPVs, etc.

The whole "gives guys something to do" argument is a cop-out where a new/old title/division is implement in favour of having to come up with "good writing". In addition, they are supposedly trying to rebuild the Tag division, anybody with "nothing to do" should be used there.

Also, I feel there's a chance that guys in a Hardcore or Cruiser Division risk bring "type cast". Would guys like Cody Rhodes and Dolph Ziggler be taken as seriously as they are now if they were originally put into a "small man" division? Maybe. You can always use Mysterio and HBK as examples of cruiser weight guys that broke through, but they are the exceptions to the rule more than anything.

As for examples of guys that are labelled "hardcore", I'm struggling to think on anyone that really broke through. Guess you could use Foley, even Jeff Hardy and JBL maybe. Even then it's arguable that their charisma was the deciding factor.

I'd consider a TV Title maybe a year from now depending on the state of the midcard and tag titles.
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All the talent show up on all the brands as it is, so it would be moot.

They don't need more titles. You can make a guy look good and push a guy without a title. Honestly, if anything, I'd get rid of one of the midcard titles. That way you have the WWE title, the WHC title which would be the equivalent of the 80s/early 90s IC belt where main players would go for it (essentially being WWE title B, which it is) and the IC belt for the midcard. Throw in the tag belts and the Divas belt.

There really doesn't need to be anymore than that because, again, guys can be pushed to the moon without a title, sustain a push and get over. As XL said, it's about the writing.
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If the World/WWE championship becomes unified, I can definately see a former title rise from the ashes.
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or just make the Internet Championship official...which I do see them doing in the future.
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Old 10-30-2011, 11:23 PM   #49
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We've just got to a point where the US and IC Titles are starting to mean something again, where the titles are defended/the champions are featured on PPVs, etc.
Oh, come now. That's been said for like the last decade.
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Old 10-31-2011, 10:55 AM   #50
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I say no way and this is the reason why (play the clip, if you're not aware of these shenanigans @ WM X8 [3/17/2002, Toronto Skydome, Toronto, ONT, CA]):



If the Hardcore Championship wasn't a laughingstock before all that went down, it sure became one in a hurry. And all because of a ridiculous 24/7 rule. Very difficult if not impossible to see such a title as a complete joke.

Despite what I've said in here however, it was one of Maven's few bright spots in his all too short career, to hold the HC title for a while.
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Old 10-31-2011, 11:04 AM   #51
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Now that I think about it I'd say yes, under one condition: Bring back Maven as well and actually give him a legit run.
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Old 10-31-2011, 02:24 PM   #52
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I actually liked the 24/7 rule.
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I actually liked the 24/7 rule.
Because there's nothing more exciting than 5 title changes of the same belt in a PPV, let alone @ a WrestleMania event (Especially since it proves J.R.'s "anything can happen in the WWF/WWE" mantra )!
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:08 PM   #54
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In no way should the Hardcore title be brought back, nobody is clamoring for it, it will be a step back and make the product worse than it should be. Please don't make threads like this out of fear WWE reads them.
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:11 PM   #55
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In no way should the Hardcore title be brought back, nobody is clamoring for it, it will be a step back and make the product worse than it should be. Please don't make threads like this out of fear WWE reads them.
I was with you until the last part of your post. You really think there's a single employee of WWE who gives a fuck what a bunch of posters on a message board are saying about them and their product and taking the things they say to heart? Then you, my friend, have had a sheltered life indeed, no offense.
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:22 PM   #56
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Well that was kinda a joke, I wish I was a better writer
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:28 PM   #57
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Because there's nothing more exciting than 5 title changes of the same belt in a PPV, let alone @ a WrestleMania event (Especially since it proves J.R.'s "anything can happen in the WWF/WWE" mantra )!
Well, I didn't exactly advocate 5 title changes per show.

It gave the belt something different (outside of being the Garbage Wrestling Championship). I'm all for giving a belt a "gimmick", like a time limit/Ironman concept or a "must be defended on every TV show" type thing just to differentiate it from being "Standard Lowercard Title #3".
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Bringing it back wouldn't help anything. It would give undercarders something to do but it wouldn't benefit anybody holding it
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Even in today's era, this title could still work. We don't need blood for it to exist. We don't need a chairshot to the head for the match to be entertaining. Just make every match a falls count anywhere, no disqualification match. It could serve the same purpose today that it always served - getting some of the guys on TV that wouldn't have made it on otherwise. After all, a segment of a few wrestlers swapping pinfalls for the title beats a tag team match any day in my book.
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Old 11-02-2011, 04:40 AM   #61
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Even in today's era, this title could still work. We don't need blood for it to exist. We don't need a chairshot to the head for the match to be entertaining. Just make every match a falls count anywhere, no disqualification match. It could serve the same purpose today that it always served - getting some of the guys on TV that wouldn't have made it on otherwise. After all, a segment of a few wrestlers swapping pinfalls for the title beats a tag team match any day in my book.
I'd stil prefer them to utilise good writing.
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Would rather have a TV title that had to be defended every show.
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They should bring it back. I’d implement the 24/7 rule, but I wouldn’t let there be 20 different title switches per show.

WWE being PG has nothing to do with it. There’s still Hell In A Cells. There are still times where we see blood. It’s just not as much as it used to be, by far, so they can sacrifice showing a bit of blood or mayhem in at least one match per show, if they wanted to. No one would complain too much.

Bringing back the Hardcore title would actually allow a lot of superstars to get a type of push that doesn’t make them upper-midcarders (ie: Intercontinental title picture). With the title back, viewership would increase because people wouldn’t know when the title is going to be defended or who’s even going to show up.
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What evidence do you have to back up the claim that a renewed Hardcore Division would increase ratings?

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Have it only "defended" away from the shows. During travel or off-days. Announce changes via Twitter. Increase Twitter ratings.
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What evidence do you have to back up the claim that a renewed Hardcore Division would increase ratings?

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It was the main draw of the Attitude Era, of course.
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:23 PM   #69
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It was the main draw of the Attitude Era, of course.
Then I stand corrected.

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Old 11-04-2011, 12:35 AM   #70
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It was the main draw of the Attitude Era, of course.
Don’t give me “it was entertaining back then” because for every Foley/Rock segment, we had a dozen stink faces and table spots.
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