The god damned Black Fucking Keys - Page 2

**FakeLaser** · 12-02-2011, 02:12 PM

Read the scathing Childish Gambino review. They really "nailed it"

**FakeLaser** · 12-04-2011, 01:20 PM

Didn't Danger Mouse produce one of their other albums as well?

**FakeLaser** · 12-04-2011, 01:43 PM

I'm listening to this now.

It's ok. I mean, it's tight, it sounds good, and it's exactly what I thought it would be. But it's just not something I'm going out of my way to listen to. Like I'm 7 tracks in and I can say that what I've heard is GOOD music. But I'm kinda bored and want to shut it off. Not my thing, I guess.

Thee Oh Sees do this way better, IMO

**FakeLaser** · 12-04-2011, 01:44 PM

Kinda hard to compare the two actually because the vocal style is so much different, but yeah.

**Requiem** · 12-04-2011, 02:43 PM

Overall I would rate this a 9/10 after further listening (from my initial 10/10). I wish there was just 'more' to it. The several songs on it that are on, are fucking on. Yet again, they've managed to change up their style just slightly. Nothing major, but it's an obvious change from the last works. Couple songs that are just kinda 'meh' after a few listens, but I'm absolutely in love with about 5-6 songs on this.

Wish there was a bit more depth to it ala Brothers, or more tracks with more variance to the style. The CD starts off incredibly, and then tapers off. Just doesn't stay solid all the way through like previous albums. However, my high rating has more to do with just how awesome the -good- songs actually are. When they're on, they're fucking on.

**Requiem** · 12-04-2011, 02:55 PM

After checking out about 10 Thee Oh Sees songs, I'm kind of baffled that you think they are better than The Black Keys, or that you got bored with TBK over TOS. No offense intended, but that was terrible and doesn't even compare to the caliber of TBK. Thee Oh Sees seemed incredibly pretentious and just wasn't appealing at all to any of my senses. Inaudible lyrics put to a grungy and non-catchy guitar riff that always acts like it's going to deliver at some point in the song, but never does. Or attempts to deliver and just sounds like screeching with a complete lack of melody. It had no soul at all. Completely soulless music that did not convey whatever emotion or meaning they were trying to get across.

Come on, really? You think that is better than The Black Keys?

**FakeLaser** · 12-04-2011, 02:56 PM

I am moving this to my baby - the music forum - because the music forum needs some love

**FakeLaser** · 12-04-2011, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

After checking out about 10 Thee Oh Sees songs, I'm kind of baffled that you think they are better than The Black Keys, or that you got bored with TBK over TOS. No offense intended, but that was terrible and doesn't even compare to the caliber of TBK. Thee Oh Sees seemed incredibly pretentious and just wasn't appealing at all to any of my senses. Inaudible lyrics put to a grungy and non-catchy guitar riff that always acts like it's going to deliver at some point in the song, but never does. Or attempts to deliver and just sounds like screeching with a complete lack of melody. It had no soul at all. Completely soulless music that did not convey whatever emotion or meaning they were trying to get across.

Come on, really? You think that is better than The Black Keys?

I think their music is far more interesting than The Black Keys, who strike me as good musicians, but are kind of boring. I don't see how their music is soulless because it's not blues-y like the Black Keys.

I did go on to say it's kind of apples and oranges. Their similarity kind of ends at both being garage rock bands. The Black Keys definitely have a more accessible sound, but their songs all start to kinda sound the same to me. Again, I think they're GOOD, but there's nothing that grabs me.

**FakeLaser** · 12-04-2011, 03:01 PM

Obviously, The Black Keys are one of your favorite bands, so you're not going to agree with me. But that's how music is. It's completely subjective.

**FakeLaser** · 12-04-2011, 03:08 PM

Listening to the album Castlemania now and wondering how this can be described as soulless.

This is more psychedelic leaning than The Black Keys who are more blues leaning. What can I say? I've always tended towards more psychedelic sounding music.

**Requiem** · 12-04-2011, 03:11 PM

I agree that it's apples and oranges, but I can't believe you would say TBK are boring and then cite Thee Oh Sees as someone better. That was the definition of boring and sounding the same.

I didn't say it was soulless because it isn't bluesy. It's soulless because it has no soul. It is too utterly simplistic and the vocal style that I heard doesn't allow for any emotion to be conveyed to the listener. There was nothing interesting to me about that at all. Not only that, but the pure musical talent by itself doesn't even seem to come close to the abilities of TBK. Something doesn't have to be accessible to everyone to have a catchy riff, but nothing about anything I listened to was remotely catchy. Don't really think it's fair to have even brought up that comparison in the first place when they are obviously going for very different things. (referring to your "Thee Oh Sees does this better" statement)

Does what better? Rock? Because that would just be a flat out disgraceful comment.

**Requiem** · 12-04-2011, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FakeLaser

Obviously, The Black Keys are one of your favorite bands, so you're not going to agree with me. But that's how music is. It's completely subjective.

Exactly. Which is why I don't get why you would even bring something up like "So and so does this better" and expect any type of different response when the music you bring up is obviously in your realm of what you think is good. You're essentially doing the exact same thing.

Obviously I'm not going to convince you that Thee Oh Sees isn't good. But in the context of this discussion, you're essentially making someone defend their tastes when you say something like that.

**FakeLaser** · 12-04-2011, 03:25 PM

I think they are a better garage rock band. That is my point. Perhaps it was a bit much to compare the two, admittedly. However, they're both garage rock bands so they are comparable to some degree.

And it's not a disgraceful comment at all. The Black Keys aren't a band of genius musician demi-gods or anything. They're good musicians, and they make good music very much in the vein of other garage-rock revivalists that were so popular in the early part of the millennium (The Strokes, White Stripes, etc.) I readily acknowledge their ability as musicians, and hope this album brings them even more success, because we need good bands in the mainstream. But it's not like they're Pink Fucking Floyd or something.

I don't get what you mean by soulful at all. There is emotion. The music is fun and whimsical. It's uplifting. I wouldn't say it's simplistic either... there's quite a lot going on with reverb and distortion there which creates a sound all its own and an aesthetic of chaos along with the manic vocals. It's a DIFFERENT emotion than the Black Keys evoke, which again is more BLUESEY and straightforward rock.

I'm not in any way implying that Thee Oh Sees are genius musicians. I think that they are a good, energetic band who make interesting music and also put on an energetic live show. I prefer them to The Black Keys. Their music speaks to me more, whereas most of The Black Keys output to me is good, but kinda forgettable.

**FakeLaser** · 12-04-2011, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Requiem

Exactly. Which is why I don't get why you would even bring something up like "So and so does this better" and expect any type of different response when the music you bring up is obviously in your realm of what you think is good. You're essentially doing the exact same thing.

Obviously I'm not going to convince you that Thee Oh Sees isn't good. But in the context of this discussion, you're essentially making someone defend their tastes when you say something like that.

I was stating my opinion that I feel that Thee Oh Sees are better. I even ended the post with "IMO."

I don't mind you responding. I encourage a response. I want to debate. I like to talk about music. That's why we're here. That's why there's a music forum. To discuss music, compare bands, rate albums, etc. It's fun.

And I'm not here to convince you of anything, I'm here to explain why I feel the way that I do, and question why you feel a certain way, which is precisely what you did with your initial Thee Oh Sees post. I like that. I like that I posted about them and you were like hey, I'll give them a listen to see what he's talking about. And fuck, if you don't like them, then whatever. You are free to enjoy whatever music you want. Don't take it as a personal attack or anything, it's just a debate. And hey, I have enjoyed debating with you. This isn't the first time, and I'm sure not the last time we have disagreed.

**Requiem** · 12-04-2011, 03:32 PM

That song is -very- different than any I listened to before, admittedly. I got most of the ones I tried from their 'most viewed' just to see what they were about. It's not quite as soulless as what I heard, but it's still quite forgettable to me.

Dunno. I hear the 'classic' sound they were going for, and I'd say they pulled it off. But it sounds like one of those bands from 40 years ago that might have been 'in rotation' back then but would only have a very particular 'oldies' crowd that listened to them still.

Really don't have a whole lot more to say about it. It's incredibly boring and I have no urge to sing along or move to the music or anything. Doesn't move me emotionally or physically. That's all it comes down to really.

Dunno. The fact that I have very little else to say about them says more about my opinion of them than anything I could say probably. They just don't tingle my senses.

**FakeLaser** · 12-04-2011, 03:34 PM

I don't know that it's pointless. They're two contemporary garage bands. It prompted an interesting discussion.

And I doubt too many people have heard Thee Oh Sees. So this would be an appropriate place to bring them up, amongst fans of another garage band.

**Requiem** · 12-04-2011, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FakeLaser

I don't mind you responding. I encourage a response. I want to debate. I like to talk about music. That's why we're here. That's why there's a music forum. To discuss music, compare bands, rate albums, etc. It's fun.

I'm still getting used to this not taking things personally on the internet thing.

I haven't taken anything you've said personally, but I always worry that some criticism I give is going to spiral out of control and drastically offend someone as it typically does so I try to guard my responses a bit. Dunno.

I know that's not what's going on here. JUST SAYIN.

**Buzzkill** · 12-05-2011, 12:30 AM

Just gonna go ahead and agree with FZLKER

**Kapoutman** · 12-05-2011, 12:49 AM

I'm just gonna go ahead and say that Thee Oh Sees are good, and far from soulless. I think their songs are really fun. But I prefer The Black Keys.

So I'm not agreeing with any of you guys. I'M MY OWN MAN.

12-02-2011, 02:12 PM	#41
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	Read the scathing Childish Gambino review. They really "nailed it"

12-04-2011, 01:20 PM	#42
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	Didn't Danger Mouse produce one of their other albums as well?

12-04-2011, 01:43 PM	#43
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	I'm listening to this now. It's ok. I mean, it's tight, it sounds good, and it's exactly what I thought it would be. But it's just not something I'm going out of my way to listen to. Like I'm 7 tracks in and I can say that what I've heard is GOOD music. But I'm kinda bored and want to shut it off. Not my thing, I guess. Thee Oh Sees do this way better, IMO

12-04-2011, 01:44 PM	#44
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	Kinda hard to compare the two actually because the vocal style is so much different, but yeah.

12-04-2011, 02:43 PM	#45
Requiem Posts: 19,298	Overall I would rate this a 9/10 after further listening (from my initial 10/10). I wish there was just 'more' to it. The several songs on it that are on, are fucking on. Yet again, they've managed to change up their style just slightly. Nothing major, but it's an obvious change from the last works. Couple songs that are just kinda 'meh' after a few listens, but I'm absolutely in love with about 5-6 songs on this. Wish there was a bit more depth to it ala Brothers, or more tracks with more variance to the style. The CD starts off incredibly, and then tapers off. Just doesn't stay solid all the way through like previous albums. However, my high rating has more to do with just how awesome the -good- songs actually are. When they're on, they're fucking on.

12-04-2011, 02:55 PM	#46
Requiem Posts: 19,298	After checking out about 10 Thee Oh Sees songs, I'm kind of baffled that you think they are better than The Black Keys, or that you got bored with TBK over TOS. No offense intended, but that was terrible and doesn't even compare to the caliber of TBK. Thee Oh Sees seemed incredibly pretentious and just wasn't appealing at all to any of my senses. Inaudible lyrics put to a grungy and non-catchy guitar riff that always acts like it's going to deliver at some point in the song, but never does. Or attempts to deliver and just sounds like screeching with a complete lack of melody. It had no soul at all. Completely soulless music that did not convey whatever emotion or meaning they were trying to get across. Come on, really? You think that is better than The Black Keys?

12-04-2011, 02:56 PM	#47
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	I am moving this to my baby - the music forum - because the music forum needs some love

12-04-2011, 03:01 PM	#49
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	Obviously, The Black Keys are one of your favorite bands, so you're not going to agree with me. But that's how music is. It's completely subjective.

12-04-2011, 03:08 PM	#50
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	Listening to the album Castlemania now and wondering how this can be described as soulless. This is more psychedelic leaning than The Black Keys who are more blues leaning. What can I say? I've always tended towards more psychedelic sounding music.

12-04-2011, 03:11 PM	#51
Requiem Posts: 19,298	I agree that it's apples and oranges, but I can't believe you would say TBK are boring and then cite Thee Oh Sees as someone better. That was the definition of boring and sounding the same. I didn't say it was soulless because it isn't bluesy. It's soulless because it has no soul. It is too utterly simplistic and the vocal style that I heard doesn't allow for any emotion to be conveyed to the listener. There was nothing interesting to me about that at all. Not only that, but the pure musical talent by itself doesn't even seem to come close to the abilities of TBK. Something doesn't have to be accessible to everyone to have a catchy riff, but nothing about anything I listened to was remotely catchy. Don't really think it's fair to have even brought up that comparison in the first place when they are obviously going for very different things. (referring to your "Thee Oh Sees does this better" statement) Does what better? Rock? Because that would just be a flat out disgraceful comment.

12-04-2011, 03:25 PM	#53
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	I think they are a better garage rock band. That is my point. Perhaps it was a bit much to compare the two, admittedly. However, they're both garage rock bands so they are comparable to some degree. And it's not a disgraceful comment at all. The Black Keys aren't a band of genius musician demi-gods or anything. They're good musicians, and they make good music very much in the vein of other garage-rock revivalists that were so popular in the early part of the millennium (The Strokes, White Stripes, etc.) I readily acknowledge their ability as musicians, and hope this album brings them even more success, because we need good bands in the mainstream. But it's not like they're Pink Fucking Floyd or something. I don't get what you mean by soulful at all. There is emotion. The music is fun and whimsical. It's uplifting. I wouldn't say it's simplistic either... there's quite a lot going on with reverb and distortion there which creates a sound all its own and an aesthetic of chaos along with the manic vocals. It's a DIFFERENT emotion than the Black Keys evoke, which again is more BLUESEY and straightforward rock. I'm not in any way implying that Thee Oh Sees are genius musicians. I think that they are a good, energetic band who make interesting music and also put on an energetic live show. I prefer them to The Black Keys. Their music speaks to me more, whereas most of The Black Keys output to me is good, but kinda forgettable.

12-04-2011, 03:32 PM	#55
Requiem Posts: 19,298	That song is -very- different than any I listened to before, admittedly. I got most of the ones I tried from their 'most viewed' just to see what they were about. It's not quite as soulless as what I heard, but it's still quite forgettable to me. Dunno. I hear the 'classic' sound they were going for, and I'd say they pulled it off. But it sounds like one of those bands from 40 years ago that might have been 'in rotation' back then but would only have a very particular 'oldies' crowd that listened to them still. Really don't have a whole lot more to say about it. It's incredibly boring and I have no urge to sing along or move to the music or anything. Doesn't move me emotionally or physically. That's all it comes down to really. Dunno. The fact that I have very little else to say about them says more about my opinion of them than anything I could say probably. They just don't tingle my senses.

12-04-2011, 03:34 PM	#56
FakeLaser continental drift Posts: 46,731	I don't know that it's pointless. They're two contemporary garage bands. It prompted an interesting discussion. And I doubt too many people have heard Thee Oh Sees. So this would be an appropriate place to bring them up, amongst fans of another garage band.

12-05-2011, 12:30 AM	#58
Buzzkill Jamiroquai Bodega Posts: 18,627	Just gonna go ahead and agree with FZLKER

12-05-2011, 12:49 AM	#59
Kapoutman Hockey Superstar Posts: 11,381	I'm just gonna go ahead and say that Thee Oh Sees are good, and far from soulless. I think their songs are really fun. But I prefer The Black Keys. So I'm not agreeing with any of you guys. I'M MY OWN MAN.