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Old 12-27-2011, 11:16 PM   #41
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Punk and Cole pretty much do the same thing, but because Punk is indyrific, he's cool.
Except Cole's job as announcer is to call the action and get me involved in the product, not to get over.

Punk's job is to get over.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:43 AM   #42
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If Cole's job is making people want to mute the TV and/or change the channel, then he's doing a damn good job.

He just needs to either tone it down, or just completely drop the shtick because it gets old really fast. It's so distracting trying to watch a match when he's going off and bickering with Lawler about some stupid shit that has little to do with anything going on in the ring.

Like someone else said earlier in the thread, take his ass out of the booth. Let him be a manager or something. His "announcing" is just awful.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:47 AM   #43
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If Cole's job is making people want to mute the TV and/or change the channel, then he's doing a damn good job.

He just needs to either tone it down, or just completely drop the shtick because it gets old really fast. It's so distracting trying to watch a match when he's going off and bickering with Lawler about some stupid shit that has little to do with anything going on in the ring.

Like someone else said earlier in the thread, take his ass out of the booth. Let him be a manager or something. His "announcing" is just awful.
BRB "If Cole's job is making people want to mute the TV and/or change the channel, then he's doing a damn good job".

BRB Like someone else said earlier in the thread, take his ass out of the booth. Let him be a manager or something. His "announcing" is just awful.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:49 AM   #44
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I thought he was a bit more toned down this week.
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I thought he was a bit more toned down this week.
Maybe he's working out. Hitting them weights. Doing the cardio.
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I thought he was a bit more toned down this week.
To be fair, I believe so too. He still has his moments though.
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This reminds me of Punks comments to Del Rio a few weeks back, about how all he ever talks about is 'his destiny'.

On one hand, it does bury Del Rio before he's 'over', but then on the other hand, what Punk said was true, and maybe could be used to push Del Rio to become better.
Agree. Its a double edged sword in some ways, but there are things that can be settled behind the scenes to make someone better, rather than expose their flaws to millions worldwide.
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:27 AM   #48
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Old 12-28-2011, 10:25 AM   #49
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There are differences between the two. Cole is the lead announcer, and supposed to be an unbiased character -- and often does try to do so. It's inconsistent in lieu with his apparent heel status.

CM Punk's character (the last I saw of it, anyway) is that he goes a little deeper. He doesn't "break the fourth wall" so much as stretch the scope of the story being told beyond the reach of the cameras. Punk basically acknowledges that there are on-goings off-screen. Punk hasn't really buried anyone since getting on the mic. You could argue that he takes shots at John Laurinaitis -- but does that guy really need credibility given that he's a suit? I haven't been watching lately, though -- maybe his character has changed.

Now, I don't even hate the Michael Cole character. I think he could be a useful tool in getting both faces and heels over. I do think that he needs to leave the booth, however. It's kind of unsettling when you are supposed to dislike the dude that is telling you the story you are listening to. Have Cole become a character elsewhere and Josh Mathews or Jim Ross could take over.

Since when have announcers been unbiased. You mean to tell me Jim Ross isn't a face and Lawler wasn't a heel during the late 90's early 2000's? There's no difference whatsoever.
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Old 12-28-2011, 10:36 AM   #50
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To be fair, I don't remember there ever really being a heel lead announcer. Color commentator can just make snide comments while the other guy calls the match and that's why they tend to be heels. For example, Bobby Heenan as lead announcer and Gorilla Monsoon as commentator would have been awkward as fuck.
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Old 12-28-2011, 10:40 AM   #51
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Not to mention the whole "breaking the 4th wall" thing is done in an annoying (even if it's intended to be so) way by Cole and a "fan's own" way by Punk. Punk is more likable, Punk is actually funny when he does it, Punk is the actual star of the show and not basically a disembodied voice you hear during matches...

Seriously, I'm having to explain to people the difference between CM Punk and Michael Cole right now...
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Punk is supposed to be funny, and Cole is supposed to be annoying.
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They are both "breaking the 4th wall" and burying people. That's all I was saying. But people jizz all over Punk and bash Cole, when they are basically doing the same thing.

I've already decided that I am right, so good day sir.
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There's no difference whatsoever.
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:07 AM   #57
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think Cole wouldn't be as bad if Lawler wasn't so shit at his part in this

like back when Striker was around, if Cole made some comment burying somebody, Striker would balance it out by making some comment praising that guy

but Lawler is effing terrible at that. because each exchange is basically this:

Cole: "Look at this Ryder kid. He is a such a loser!"
King: "Oh yeah? Well... you're small and I could beat you up."
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To be fair, I don't remember there ever really being a heel lead announcer. Color commentator can just make snide comments while the other guy calls the match and that's why they tend to be heels. For example, Bobby Heenan as lead announcer and Gorilla Monsoon as commentator would have been awkward as fuck.
yeah thats the way it should be if cole wants to be a heel he should be on color, what i hate the most he is on both shows, they should have broght booker in as a heel and let him and josh work as the smackdown teem.
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Aint it Coles gimmick to hate everything smarks love?

Hes pretty awesome tbh.
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think Cole wouldn't be as bad if Lawler wasn't so shit at his part in this

like back when Striker was around, if Cole made some comment burying somebody, Striker would balance it out by making some comment praising that guy

but Lawler is effing terrible at that. because each exchange is basically this:

Cole: "Look at this Ryder kid. He is a such a loser!"
King: "Oh yeah? Well... you're small and I could beat you up."
I'm convinced Lawler doesn't listen to what Cole says ever & just speaks on silence.
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Well he's already said he doesn't like announcing and is just doing it until they stop paying him. So yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.
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The difference is Punk takes up maybe 15 minutes of TV time with his "shoot" stuff, Cole is there for pretty much 3 hours of television a week (time removed for commercials). Too much Cole.

On top of that, in an exchange with Punk his opponent has the opportunity to defend himself, this isn't possible with Cole. Usually this is where the face announcer steps in, but, as stated in this thread, Lawler doesn't care enough to research the guys that he's talking about and thus cannot defend them (and Booker's points are often nonsensical).

Breaking down to "brass tacks", the stuff Punk says is as bad for the product as what Cole is doing but in a much more condensed manner. The biggest affect Punk has had is that his style has become somewhat of an epidemic. HHH, Nash, Cena, all "dropping pipe bombs" and often to the detriment of "younger, newer" stars.

There's absolutely no need to be burying Del Rio with comments regarding his promo style, or that his cars are rented. And that's coming from a guy who isn't an ADR fan/mark.
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Can someone tell me why Lance Storm thinks he still matters? Sure he may be stating something that a lot of us agree with, but there have already been multiple threads about this subject.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:56 PM   #65
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I'm fairly certain, now remember this is just me talking, but I am fairly certain that Lance Storm did not check TPWW's wrestling forum to see how many topics there were about this before posting his opinion on Twitter.
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Although we all know that Twitter is THE place for relevant people to post their relevant opinions.
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The big difference between Cole and heel announcers of the past, is that fans loved to hate Heenan and Lawler.

Fans just hate Cole.
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Good heel announcers could spend the whole match ripping into a guy, and he'd be better for it by the end. It was all in the execution.

I don't get that when I listen to Cole.
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The big difference between Cole and heel announcers of the past, is that fans loved to hate Heenan and Lawler.

Fans just hate Cole.
Heenan and Lawler were commentators. And in, they commented on things. That's why the entire set-up is weird. There's no one to call the action a lot of the time. It's just a heel commentator and a face commentator bickering.
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Old 12-28-2011, 05:36 PM   #70
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– WWE officials held a meeting last week after the RAW ratings came in where Michael Cole’s commentary was discussed. TV ratings patterns show fans have little interest in seeing anyone on TV besides the top Superstars. Consideration was given to the fact that maybe this is because of Cole burying the talents for the past year.
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Old 12-28-2011, 06:07 PM   #71
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Yeah, Meltzer talked about that yesterday on Wrestling Observer Live
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Old 12-29-2011, 02:54 PM   #73
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"TV ratings patterns show fans have little interest in seeing anyone on TV besides the top Superstars. Consideration was given to the fact that maybe this is because of Cole burying the talents for the past year."

Whilst I don't doubt the negative effect of shitting on the talent from the announce table, I hope that they don't think this is the only reason people aren't interested in anything but the Main Eventers.

I hope that they discussed the fact that for the most part they don't give the low-carders anything to hook the audience with on an "emotional level".
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Can someone tell me why Lance Storm thinks he still matters? Sure he may be stating something that a lot of us agree with, but there have already been multiple threads about this subject.
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I'm fairly certain, now remember this is just me talking, but I am fairly certain that Lance Storm did not check TPWW's wrestling forum to see how many topics there were about this before posting his opinion on Twitter.
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Old 12-30-2011, 06:26 AM   #75
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Old 12-30-2011, 06:55 AM   #76
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I disagree that Cole is not a good announcer.

The problem is that he can't do both things at the same time: which is to say be an annoying heel heat machine AND an impartial announcer. He swings between the two, and it looks to be for no discernable reason.

Yeah, that whole thing with Lawler happened, but just a few days after their "feud", they were already joking about it like it was ancient history. Cole's feud is on and off with JR, and, with very few exceptions, he continually buries Daniel Bryan with no payoff other than that time he got kicked in the head on NXT right before that went away and the Nexus tie-choke thing happened. Bryan isn't the only talent he's buried (the entire diva roster, for example) with no sort of payoff or counter-point proving that he's wrong and heelish. Makes it look like the truth if you hear him talk about how much Zack Ryder sucks and he jobs every week. If anything, it's more creative being lazy than Cole being terrible.

In short, WWE needs to make up their minds on what they want him to do: dial it down and stay in the booth, OR become a really credible heel manager. It's a simple transition either way.

More to the topic: comments like HHH's "broom match" thing has the potential to become an angle for someone. Hell, Cody's star started shining from the result of an otherwise nondescript Diva's poll on the cutest guy. Someone could take excepton to that comment and potentially get the rub from wrestling Hunter instead of just sitting back and letting it be.

In summary, to quote Firefly:

"Many know the name Malcolm Reynolds. Many more know he cross Niska. They must know what happens *after* that!"

WWE seems so preoccupied with the trending of the latest "pipe bomb" that they don't think of what does, could, or should happen after that.
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Something needs to change about commentary. I agree that Cole is not a terrible announcer, but it's terrible that his character, as it is, is the lead announcer for the WWE. Someone needs to come in and fire Michael Cole, or take him out for a few weeks, changing his role into that of a manager to heels that could really use the boost.

A Cole vs. Punk feud could actually be more fun than Punk's current shit with John Laurinaitis.
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Old 01-02-2012, 02:10 AM   #78
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... Laurinaitis is the *interim* GM.

Cole gets named the permanant, taking him out of the booth and giving him a reason to be a more insufferable heel. Starts said feud with Punk. Good idea, Noid!
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You know, I was watching RAW and all I could think of last night was how Lance Storm felt about the show. Im sure glad he decided to post his opinions on twitter. Now I feel better knowing how he feels about RAW.
To be fair, Lance Storm's opinions about RAW and the WWE in general are worth the same as all of OUR opinions about RAW and the WWE in general...

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I think that was Droford's point. Aguakate.

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